Trump just recognized Jerusalem as Israel's Capital

[Outer Sparta]

Israel carved up Palestine, not the other way around.

Israel did carve up Palestine, but it was originally their land. They occupied that land thousands of years ago and were kicked out. The Palestinians moved in, but like I said before, it was originally Israel's land.

Yes the land does have historical meaning for Israel, but they started to take that land from the Palestinians unlawfully since 1948 and continue to do so, even today.

[MERIZoC]

The ambassadors all commute an hour and a half to one of the consulates in Jerselum every morning and then back in the afternoon. The larger countries will of course have police escorts and the like adding to excess Co2 and traffic concerns for the local populace.

That seems like a huge fuss. It's better to have the capital and all its embassies in one place. If every other country put their embassy in New York imagine all the ruckus there would be. However, this is Jerusalem we're talking about, and obviously security concerns are why most of the world doesn't recognize it as the capital.

No, most of the world doesn't recognize it as the capital because it's not Israel's to claim.

[Outer Sparta]

That seems like a huge fuss. It's better to have the capital and all its embassies in one place. If every other country put their embassy in New York imagine all the ruckus there would be. However, this is Jerusalem we're talking about, and obviously security concerns are why most of the world doesn't recognize it as the capital.

No, most of the world doesn't recognize it as the capital because it's not Israel's to claim.

I wonder why that isn't even their claim?

[Greed and Death]

That seems like a huge fuss. It's better to have the capital and all its embassies in one place. If every other country put their embassy in New York imagine all the ruckus there would be. However, this is Jerusalem we're talking about, and obviously security concerns are why most of the world doesn't recognize it as the capital.

No, most of the world doesn't recognize it as the capital because it's not Israel's to claim.

They won it in a war that is how we got all the land from the Native Americans here in the US.

Good for the Geese good for the Gander.

[Petrasylvania]

Followed by the rounding up of Palestinians into camps and the declaration of Greater Israel.

[The East Marches II]

Followed by the rounding up of Palestinians into camps and the declaration of Greater Israel.

This is like the 3rd or 4th time you've been over that point. Do you get tired of repeating yourself?

[Petrasylvania]

Followed by the rounding up of Palestinians into camps and the declaration of Greater Israel.

This is like the 3rd or 4th time you've been over that point. Do you get tired of repeating yourself?

When the forum has me on ignore who cares?

[Galloism]

This is like the 3rd or 4th time you've been over that point. Do you get tired of repeating yourself?

When the forum has me on ignore who cares?

You know, if the forum has you on ignore, but Marches still talks to you anyway, that might make him your only friend.

[Cetacea]

Israel carved up Palestine, not the other way around.

Israel did carve up Palestine, but it was originally their land. They occupied that land thousands of years ago and were kicked out. The Palestinians moved in, but like I said before, it was originally Israel's land.

No the land was NEVER theres. The State of Israel was created in 1948 by Jews leaving Europe who had absolutely NO LEGITIMATE claim to the historic Kingdom of Israel or the Kingdom of Judah.

1. leaving somewhere a a thousand odd years ago does not give you rights to return
2. the Palestinian people who were in Palestine before 1948 are also direct descendants of the original semite natives. Herodotus (5 Century) refers to them as Syrians of Palestine, and the genetic markers of Jews are identical to those of Palestinians and Druze. (ie they are the same people)
3.the connection of the diaspora to Israel is based on religious myth not Fact
4. even if the Myth was true it says that the people of Israel were exiled by GOD - therefore the modern State of Israel is heresy

[United States of Natan]

Honestly, its time the world stopped coddling the Palestinian government, and falling for their propaganda. Palestine rejected the offer of sharing the area, and invaded Israel. They lost that war. They don't get to a do-over. They should face the consequences of constantly invading and committing terrorist acts against Israel, and learn how to act like grown ups, not spoiled, selfish kids. The arabs have millions of square miles and dozens of countries already; they don't need a small sliver on the Mediterranean coast. If the arabs living in Israel don't like living in Israel, there's plenty of Arab countries they can move to.

[Neutraligon]

Funny since I had no issue.

You live in(neutral name to not cause any issue) Canaan?

Nope, I did however go to Jerusalem right after a terrorist incident when tensions where high. I am also Jewish and my brother and father in particular are stereotypical when it comes to looks. We had no issue with the Arab population. In fact we found them polite and very helpful. It was the other Israeli citizens that we had issues with.

[Petrolheadia]

Honestly, its time the world stopped coddling the Palestinian government, and falling for their propaganda. Palestine rejected the offer of sharing the area, and invaded Israel. They lost that war. They don't get to a do-over. They should face the consequences of constantly invading and committing terrorist acts against Israel, and learn how to act like grown ups, not spoiled, selfish kids. The arabs have millions of square miles and dozens of countries already; they don't need a small sliver on the Mediterranean coast. If the arabs living in Israel don't like living in Israel, there's plenty of Arab countries they can move to.

Yeah, because there is nothing better for punishing the population for the actions of long-dead leaders?

And " The Arabs have millions of square miles and dozens of countries already; they don't need a small sliver on the Mediterranean coast."

Let me rephrase it:
"The whites have millions of square miles and dozens of countries already; they don't need a small island on the Atlantic".
"The blacks have millions of square miles and dozens of countries already; they don't need a small piece of the Africa's south"
"The Asians have millions of square miles and dozens of countries already; they don't need a small island on the Pacific".

Still sounds like a good argument?

[Digital Planets]

I think he did this just to send Jerusalem a small loan of a million Crusaders.

[United States of Natan]

Honestly, its time the world stopped coddling the Palestinian government, and falling for their propaganda. Palestine rejected the offer of sharing the area, and invaded Israel. They lost that war. They don't get to a do-over. They should face the consequences of constantly invading and committing terrorist acts against Israel, and learn how to act like grown ups, not spoiled, selfish kids. The arabs have millions of square miles and dozens of countries already; they don't need a small sliver on the Mediterranean coast. If the arabs living in Israel don't like living in Israel, there's plenty of Arab countries they can move to.

Yeah, because there is nothing better for punishing the population for the actions of long-dead leaders?

And " The Arabs have millions of square miles and dozens of countries already; they don't need a small sliver on the Mediterranean coast."

Let me rephrase it:
"The whites have millions of square miles and dozens of countries already; they don't need a small island on the Atlantic".
"The blacks have millions of square miles and dozens of countries already; they don't need a small piece of the Africa's south"
"The Asians have millions of square miles and dozens of countries already; they don't need a small island on the Pacific".

Still sounds like a good argument?

Except a population isn't being punished here; they've been manipulated by the palestinian government and other arab nations into believing the idea that the arabs even had a claim there to begin with. A people with plenty of other areas of land that they DO have claims to in the region is hardly being punished.

And your argument makes no sense, for multiple reasons. For one thing, nobody's being pushed off their native land; in fact the original natives, the Jews, who were forced out through invasions and Diasporas, are being restored to their homeland, their holiest city. Second, the arabs aren't even being pushed out. They've got every right to reside in Israel alongside the Jews. Hell, living conditions in Israel are far superior to virtually every arab nation. If they don't like living in Israel, there's plenty of Arab nations they can move to (and it's worth pointing out, if the other arab nations really believed that Israel was in any way an aggressor, they'd grant refugee status to arabs in Israel, Gaza, and the West Bank)

So yes, my argument sounds great if you have actual facts.

[Longweather]

I think he did this just to send Jerusalem a small loan of a million Crusaders.

Deus vult?

[United States of Natan]

UN needs to make Jerussalam a free city. Not yehudi not arab. It is a world-level culture heritage. It must be independent like vatican.

If that happens, the Third Temple will never get built; the UN would care only about preserving the status quo; not returning the Temple Mount to its rightful owners and builders; the Jewish People. Our people have been treated like second class citizens our whole existence. I don't think its right to continue this grave injustice of restricting Jews from utilizing OUR holy sites. Why should Islam have control of all of our most holy sites, which we established first, which is only their third holiest site, whereas their 2 holiest sites are in Saudi Arabia? That's not right. I have don't even have an issue with sharing the holy site, so long as the Jews aren't refused our temple, or access to its mount. I will accept nothing less than equality. And allowing the Muslims to have their third holiest site in addition to their other two, while denying the Jews our HOLIEST site, is absolutely not equality.

[Volkmacht]

Aren't we the only ones plus like one other country that recognizes Jerusalem as the capital?

Israel recognizes it as the capital. For some reason Israel alone in the world is the only country not allowed to pick its own capital.

There wouldn't be any problem if Israel had not annexed East Jerusalem at the end of the Six-Day War. West Jerusalem is the only part of Jerusalem that should be considered as Israeli.

[United States of Natan]

Israel recognizes it as the capital. For some reason Israel alone in the world is the only country not allowed to pick its own capital.

There wouldn't be any problem if Israel had not annexed East Jerusalem at the end of the Six-Day War. West Jerusalem is the only part of Jerusalem that should be considered as Israeli.

East Jerusalem was built by the Jews, why should we not have access to it? Its our land, why shouldn't we take it back?

[Volkmacht]

There wouldn't be any problem if Israel had not annexed East Jerusalem at the end of the Six-Day War. West Jerusalem is the only part of Jerusalem that should be considered as Israeli.

East Jerusalem was built by the Jews, why should we not have access to it? Its our land, why shouldn't we take it back?

East Jerusalem was Jordanian territory. That's why. Israel stole it to fulfill a Zionist fantasy.

[Risottia]

1. I don't get the outrage? Isn't Jeruslam Israel capital?

2.Why is this not in the Trump thread?

1) Because Jerusalem is occupied territory and not recognized as part of Israel by international law.

I presume the Alt Right will now circumcise themselves and convert to Judaism in honor of "based Donald" and the "based Jews".

Well, America has a long tradition of holding itself above petty stuff like international law, while using said law as excuse to justify attacking other countries. Trump is just the last in a long line of American exceptionalists.

[Salus Maior]

UN needs to make Jerussalam a free city. Not yehudi not arab. It is a world-level culture heritage. It must be independent like vatican.

If that happens, the Third Temple will never get built; the UN would care only about preserving the status quo; not returning the Temple Mount to its rightful owners and builders; the Jewish People. Our people have been treated like second class citizens our whole existence. I don't think its right to continue this grave injustice of restricting Jews from utilizing OUR holy sites. Why should Islam have control of all of our most holy sites, which we established first, which is only their third holiest site, whereas their 2 holiest sites are in Saudi Arabia? That's not right. I have don't even have an issue with sharing the holy site, so long as the Jews aren't refused our temple, or access to its mount. I will accept nothing less than equality. And allowing the Muslims to have their third holiest site in addition to their other two, while denying the Jews our HOLIEST site, is absolutely not equality.

I thought the Jews believed that the Messiah was going to build the Third Temple.

[Salus Maior]

I think he did this just to send Jerusalem a small loan of a million Crusaders.

Eh, Catholicism is pretty much done with the hating Jews thing.

[Kenmoria]

UN needs to make Jerussalam a free city. Not yehudi not arab. It is a world-level culture heritage. It must be independent like vatican.

If that happens, the Third Temple will never get built; the UN would care only about preserving the status quo; not returning the Temple Mount to its rightful owners and builders; the Jewish People. Our people have been treated like second class citizens our whole existence. I don't think its right to continue this grave injustice of restricting Jews from utilizing OUR holy sites. Why should Islam have control of all of our most holy sites, which we established first, which is only their third holiest site, whereas their 2 holiest sites are in Saudi Arabia? That's not right. I have don't even have an issue with sharing the holy site, so long as the Jews aren't refused our temple, or access to its mount. I will accept nothing less than equality. And allowing the Muslims to have their third holiest site in addition to their other two, while denying the Jews our HOLIEST site, is absolutely not equality.

The UN also recognises the universal right of travel, so I doubt there would be any case where Jewish people would be restricted from Jesrusalem.

[Bombadil]

If that happens, the Third Temple will never get built; the UN would care only about preserving the status quo; not returning the Temple Mount to its rightful owners and builders; the Jewish People. Our people have been treated like second class citizens our whole existence. I don't think its right to continue this grave injustice of restricting Jews from utilizing OUR holy sites. Why should Islam have control of all of our most holy sites, which we established first, which is only their third holiest site, whereas their 2 holiest sites are in Saudi Arabia? That's not right. I have don't even have an issue with sharing the holy site, so long as the Jews aren't refused our temple, or access to its mount. I will accept nothing less than equality. And allowing the Muslims to have their third holiest site in addition to their other two, while denying the Jews our HOLIEST site, is absolutely not equality.

I thought the Jews believed that the Messiah was going to build the Third Temple.

He has to build a wall first..

[Morizari]

There wouldn't be any problem if Israel had not annexed East Jerusalem at the end of the Six-Day War. West Jerusalem is the only part of Jerusalem that should be considered as Israeli.

East Jerusalem was built by the Jews, why should we not have access to it? Its our land, why shouldn't we take it back?

Jews should have access to East Jerusalem, which is why Jerusalem should be made a free city with equal access for people of all faiths.