Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:51 pmhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHO77XX-hiE
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Trump just recognized Jerusalem as Israel's Capital
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Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:51 pmPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:51 pmPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:51 pmThat’s ridiculous. The Israel-Palestine conflict was a clusterfuck long before Trump. In what way does this particular screw up in anyway hint at supporting ethnic cleansing. You’d have to be actively assuming the worst to come near that conclusion.
Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:52 pmUnited Muscovite Nations wrote:Cyrothica wrote:You didn't show any demographics. You just said "arabs were the majority except jaffa" without posting any statistics, granted neither did I, but the flag issue can be solved with a simple google search.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... 8b%29.jpeg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory ... mographics
In 1945, 60% of people in Palestine were Muslims.
Why did the partition plan of 1948 be rejected by the Palestinians?
Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:52 pmOrs Might wrote:Alliance of Free Planets wrote:He is inferring that approving that Jerusalem is israel’s Capital, trump is indirectly allowing Israel to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians
That’s ridiculous. The Israel-Palestine conflict was a clusterfuck long before Trump. In what way does this particular screw up in anyway hint at supporting ethnic cleansing. You’d have to be actively assuming the worst to come near that conclusion.
You mean "be a realist with a basic understanding of human nature" ?
Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:52 pmTrue, but if Islam has a shred of dignity they wouldn't act like a victim.Deian salazar wrote:1: Diplomatic crisis that makes USA be seen as enemy of Islam by many people but still an ally of many Muslim governments.(Most likely)
Doubtful, I mean who'd cause a war merely on recognition. There is no casus belli whatsoever unless you count the "reclaim Jerusalem" one which has happened multiple times already.2: Cause a holy war(Extremely unlikely but possible if things get bad enough. Not impossible, but quite implausible.).
Maybe, Turks already grumble with us, but I don't think there would be a big reaction. Besides we're starting to pull out of the region.3: Many Muslim states cut off all ties with USA(Still pretty unlikely but more likely than the Holy War.)
4: Some Muslim states limit access to oil and use that as leverage(Unsure of this, it is a major Saud money-maker and they may be quite hesitant to do it, but it's not impossible realistically. Could still happen. Slightly but not much more likely than the Holy War.)
We get a good enough supply for oil from Texas. Our oil industry is rising back up, we can do without them for a good while.
Either way, this is going to cause issue with the Israel-Palestinian peace process, in my personal opinion and result in another unneeded crisis, even if you support Israel strongly, you gotta agree this is another headache not worth creating.
There will never be peace, Britian fucked up, and gave their shit problem to UN who fucked up also. I can give you a run down of events, but basically britian promises to the Jews that they would give them Jerusalem and when britian obtained jerusalem it started having a massive migration of Jews in the region. Palestinians who felt their culture and way being overtaken immediately reacted and public order eventually became poop stains bad from assaults to exploding peps. Eventually the fateful Israel and Palestine jigsaw puzzle (the political borders were literally had a jigsaw puzzle look) happened and Palestine feeling that it was there land declared war instantly, then Jerusalem won and annexed most of its territory. Anyways Jerusalem who occupies most of the territory they want is content with the situation whilst Palestine wants their land back. If anything peace with Palestine and Jerusalem is impossible since they have contested claims over Isreal itself.
Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:52 pmPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:52 pmThat’s where a lot American support for Israel seems to go is to the hope they’ll get Jesus on the line to bring on the end of days.
Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:52 pmHe made a good move. Israel deserves to exist, If Muslims are not happy, well tough shit!
Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:53 pmDeian salazar wrote:Cyrothica wrote:You didn't show any demographics. You just said "arabs were the majority except jaffa" without posting any statistics, granted neither did I, but the flag issue can be solved with a simple google search.
A commie flag doesn't mean you are Commie.
China is more Fascist than Communist now, debatably, but with Communist propaganda.
I dislike both ideologies so fml.
I would say their a mix of capitalism and totalitarianism with a dash of communism
Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:53 pmUnited Muscovite Nations wrote:MERIZoC wrote:Do you mean to say that good C-c-chirstians are oppressed by Israel too??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHO77XX-hiE
lmao that owns
Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:53 pmPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:53 pmDeian salazar wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/06/world/middleeast/trump-jerusalem-israel-capital.html
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-jerusalem-israel-capital-turkey-organization-islamic-cooperation/
Yup. Trump did it. The madman did it. He's caused another unnecessary crisis, just like Yemen and Qatar.
Yes I am aware of the argument for doing it, but this will cause another diplomatic crisis even if they stay our allies, it will strain ties further.
I personally think one of 4 things will happen:
1: Diplomatic crisis that makes USA be seen as enemy of Islam by many people but still an ally of many Muslim governments.(Most likely)
2: Cause a holy war(Extremely unlikely but possible if things get bad enough. Not impossible, but quite implausible.).
3: Many Muslim states cut off all ties with USA(Still pretty unlikely but more likely than the Holy War.)
4: Some Muslim states limit access to oil and use that as leverage(Unsure of this, it is a major Saud money-maker and they may be quite hesitant to do it, but it's not impossible realistically. Could still happen. Slightly but not much more likely than the Holy War.)
Either way, this is going to cause issue with the Israel-Palestinian peace process, in my personal opinion and result in another unneeded crisis, even if you support Israel strongly, you gotta agree this is another headache not worth creating.
To me he f*cked up, I'd have said this of any President, whether I liked Muslims or not this is strategically a poor move.
"The madman did it.." I suppose expressing your anger and personal political opinion of trump is also 'unnecessary', just as you called the 'crisis'. I can't take any of your options 2,3, or 4 seriously whatsoever, and even so your option 1 is unrealistic, making the "USA been seen as (an?) enemy of Islam by many people". Whatsoever, I find it ridiculous that you list 3 highly unrealistic options yet do not list any that would be in favor, such as it being blown off and nothing happening. Much much more realistic than options 2, 3, AND 4.
Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:53 pmPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:53 pmNothing like adding just a little bit more fuel to the Israeli dumpster fire and squandering whatever good faith the United States had with Israel's opponents for no apparent reason beyond being a bumbling idiot.
Yeah, this was a bad move.
Yeah, this was a bad move.
Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:53 pmDeian salazar wrote:Cyrothica wrote:You didn't show any demographics. You just said "arabs were the majority except jaffa" without posting any statistics, granted neither did I, but the flag issue can be solved with a simple google search.
A commie flag doesn't mean you are Commie.
China is more Fascist than Communist now, debatably, but with Communist propaganda.
I dislike both ideologies so fml.
More facist than communist? I would like to hear that explanation.
Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:53 pmThe of Japan wrote:United Muscovite Nations wrote:https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... 8b%29.jpeg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory ... mographics
In 1945, 60% of people in Palestine were Muslims.
Why did the partition plan of 1948 be rejected by the Palestinians?
Because it gave Israel massive amounts of territory that were majority Arab.
Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:54 pmLiriena wrote:Nothing like adding just a little bit more fuel to the Israeli dumpster fire and squandering whatever good faith the United States had with Israel's opponents for no apparent reason beyond being a bumbling idiot.
Yeah, this was a bad move.
What about west Jerusalem?
Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:54 pmPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:54 pmhttp://dailycaller.com/2017/12/06/palestinian-christians-burn-trump-posters-in-bethlehem-in-fury-over-embassy/
Shit I wonder why they're doing this then
Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:54 pmDeian salazar wrote:The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:1. I don't get the outrage? Isn't Jeruslam Israel capital?
2.Why is this not in the Trump thread?
1: Not officially. Edit: Though now it is officially to the USA. But no other nation has recognized it as that as the Muslims don't want it to be seen that way.
Um no the US is not the only nation to recognize it. The Czech Republic was the first to do so
Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:55 pmPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:55 pmOver half the population and half the land went to the Arabs, including Jaffa. A large amount of Jewish land was the very low populated Negev.
Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:55 pmThe Alma Mater wrote:Ors Might wrote:That’s ridiculous. The Israel-Palestine conflict was a clusterfuck long before Trump. In what way does this particular screw up in anyway hint at supporting ethnic cleansing. You’d have to be actively assuming the worst to come near that conclusion.
You mean "be a realist with a basic understanding of human nature" ?
Tfw when it’s realism to assume a stupid move is actually the secret support of genocide
Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:55 pmMERIZoC wrote:Kennlind wrote:No they're not.
http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/06/palestinian-christians-burn-trump-posters-in-bethlehem-in-fury-over-embassy/
Shit I wonder why they're doing this then
Palestinian Christians. They take the side of Islamists.