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Postby Kramania » Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:48 pm

Good. It's about time that we stop denying reality.

And why does this thread title read like some cliclbait on BuzzFeed?

Also, there doesn't need to be a thread for this. The MAGAthread works just fine.
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Postby NeoOasis » Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:49 pm

MERIZoC wrote:
Wysten wrote:Honestly I think this is good for the city as a whole if you are a Jew and you go into the Arab side of the city you have to have IDF escort you.

Wow, shit, I wonder what happens to the Palestinians who try to enter Israeli territory


Well... the IDF is still there I suppose?
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Postby Len Hyet » Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:04 pm

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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:19 pm

Arlenton wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:It's on an island so nobody would have territorial disputes, its close to the US great for protecting, and it's sunny

Having an amazing country like Israel on that island in the Caribbean instead of tyrannical commies would be a blessing.


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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:21 pm

Wysten wrote:Honestly I think this is good for the city as a whole if you are a Jew and you go into the Arab side of the city you have to have IDF escort you.

Funny since I had no issue.
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Postby Wysten » Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:33 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Wysten wrote:Honestly I think this is good for the city as a whole if you are a Jew and you go into the Arab side of the city you have to have IDF escort you.

Funny since I had no issue.

Weird I went there with my dad who was doing a short security job and I had to have IDF walk with me on the arab side they were some pretty good guys.
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Postby Auze » Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:41 pm

Trumptonium wrote:
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East Jerusalem IS occupied territory. Israel didn't rule it until the Six Day War.


X is Y because Z didn't rule it until A.

Kaliningrad is occupied territory. Russia didn't rule it until World War Two.
Alsace is occupied territory. France didn't rule it until World War One.
South Tyrol is occupied territory. Italy didn't rule it until World War One.
Quebec is occupied territory. Canada didn't rule it until Seven Years' War.
Northern Ireland is occupied territory. Britain didn't rule it until Tudor Conquest of Ireland.


Your argument is stupid.

France ruled Alsace-Lorraine 40 years earlier, just nitpicking
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Postby Auze » Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:45 pm

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They actually can get pretty racist.
Also, we'd still have Christian terrorists.

Also, as Myanmar has shown, even Buddhists can cause war and genocide
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Postby Hakons » Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:49 pm

Jerusalem is the historic capital of Israel. Judaism predates Christianity and Islam on their claims to the city. It depends on if we care about historic claims or not. Cities and regions change hands all the time, especially over large historical periods.
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Postby Kainesia » Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:03 pm

Hakons wrote:Jerusalem is the historic capital of Israel. Judaism predates Christianity and Islam on their claims to the city. It depends on if we care about historic claims or not. Cities and regions change hands all the time, especially over large historical periods.


If we are allocating ownership of land and cities to people with historical claims then when does the UK resume control of the East Coast?
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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:05 pm

Aillyria wrote:This is one of Trump's dumbest moves, now he'll have the hatred of most of the world's muslim, even here in the States. More elite support for the fake nation of Israel.

Well any sort of counter attack tends to be in places like New york, Dc, and San Francisco. As those are what foreigners view as America.

I have always found it amusing that blue states tend to suffer the consequences of Red state Foreign policy.
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Postby Empire of Narnia » Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:06 pm

So, he cut the BS and acknowledged the truth? That's good.

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Postby United States of Natan » Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:07 pm

Kainesia wrote:
Hakons wrote:Jerusalem is the historic capital of Israel. Judaism predates Christianity and Islam on their claims to the city. It depends on if we care about historic claims or not. Cities and regions change hands all the time, especially over large historical periods.


If we are allocating ownership of land and cities to people with historical claims then when does the UK resume control of the East Coast?

There's a difference; Jerusalem was taken by force; without consent of the people living there; the Jews. The US declared independence from an oppressive government.
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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:09 pm

Kainesia wrote:
Hakons wrote:Jerusalem is the historic capital of Israel. Judaism predates Christianity and Islam on their claims to the city. It depends on if we care about historic claims or not. Cities and regions change hands all the time, especially over large historical periods.


If we are allocating ownership of land and cities to people with historical claims then when does the UK resume control of the East Coast?

It is also the capital in fact currently in Israel that is where the Israeli govnerment governs.

There is a degree of efficiency in having ambassadors actually located next to the govnerment officials they will negotiate with instead of an hour and a half away in Tel Aviv.
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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:09 pm

United States of Natan wrote:
Kainesia wrote:
If we are allocating ownership of land and cities to people with historical claims then when does the UK resume control of the East Coast?

There's a difference; Jerusalem was taken by force; without consent of the people living there; the Jews. The US declared independence from an oppressive government.

The native Americans have something to say about that.
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Postby MERIZoC » Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:11 pm

Hakons wrote:Jerusalem is the historic capital of Israel. Judaism predates Christianity and Islam on their claims to the city. It depends on if we care about historic claims or not. Cities and regions change hands all the time, especially over large historical periods.

Israel is less than 80 years old, how could Jerusalem possibly be the "historic" capital?

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Postby Outer Sparta » Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:11 pm

Aren't we the only ones plus like one other country that recognizes Jerusalem as the capital?
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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:13 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:Aren't we the only ones plus like one other country that recognizes Jerusalem as the capital?


Israel recognizes it as the capital. For some reason Israel alone in the world is the only country not allowed to pick its own capital.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:16 pm

Greed and Death wrote:
Outer Sparta wrote:Aren't we the only ones plus like one other country that recognizes Jerusalem as the capital?


Israel recognizes it as the capital. For some reason Israel alone in the world is the only country not allowed to pick its own capital.

Everyone else has their embassy in Tel Aviv. I wonder how communications are with Israel's capital (Jerusalem)?
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Postby MERIZoC » Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:17 pm

Greed and Death wrote:
Outer Sparta wrote:Aren't we the only ones plus like one other country that recognizes Jerusalem as the capital?


Israel recognizes it as the capital. For some reason Israel alone in the world is the only country not allowed to pick its own capital.

If we wanted to move our capital to Buffalo I doubt the Yanks would be too happy about that.

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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:18 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:
Greed and Death wrote:
Israel recognizes it as the capital. For some reason Israel alone in the world is the only country not allowed to pick its own capital.

Everyone else has their embassy in Tel Aviv. I wonder how communications are with Israel's capital (Jerusalem)?

The ambassadors all commute an hour and a half to one of the consulates in Jerselum every morning and then back in the afternoon. The larger countries will of course have police escorts and the like adding to excess Co2 and traffic concerns for the local populace.
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Postby Fork Union Military Academy » Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:18 pm

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Cyrothica wrote:Jerusalem was always Israel's capital, and I find it more sadistic to carve up a sovereign nation to appease it's neighbors than to cause a "diplomatic crisis".

And you should probably place this in the Trump thread just to be safe to be honest.

Israel carved up Palestine, not the other way around.


Israel did carve up Palestine, but it was originally their land. They occupied that land thousands of years ago and were kicked out. The Palestinians moved in, but like I said before, it was originally Israel's land.

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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:19 pm

MERIZoC wrote:
Greed and Death wrote:
Israel recognizes it as the capital. For some reason Israel alone in the world is the only country not allowed to pick its own capital.

If we wanted to move our capital to Buffalo I doubt the Yanks would be too happy about that.

Happy or not if you control Buffalo you can move your capital there.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:21 pm

Greed and Death wrote:
Outer Sparta wrote:Everyone else has their embassy in Tel Aviv. I wonder how communications are with Israel's capital (Jerusalem)?

The ambassadors all commute an hour and a half to one of the consulates in Jerselum every morning and then back in the afternoon. The larger countries will of course have police escorts and the like adding to excess Co2 and traffic concerns for the local populace.

That seems like a huge fuss. It's better to have the capital and all its embassies in one place. If every other country put their embassy in New York imagine all the ruckus there would be. However, this is Jerusalem we're talking about, and obviously security concerns are why most of the world doesn't recognize it as the capital.
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Postby MERIZoC » Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:23 pm

Fork Union Military Academy wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Israel carved up Palestine, not the other way around.


Israel did carve up Palestine, but it was originally their land. They occupied that land thousands of years ago and were kicked out. The Palestinians moved in, but like I said before, it was originally Israel's land.

It wasn't "originally Israel's land", Israel didn't exist until 1948.

Yes, under Assyrians and Romans and whomever, Jews left Judea. Thousands of years ago. To use that as some sort of justification for ethnic cleansing is insane.

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