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As Pro Israel and the Jewish People, I thank President Donald J Trump of the USA of America for having the political will and courage, to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's and the Jewish People Eternal Capital City, as the right thing to do.

Baltenstein wrote:

Principality of the Raix wrote:Ah But I like the Nationalist Polish, let us just leave them be this time as Prussians should of done to begin with. I mean they protect Europe from the Muslim Invasions nearly always in the past. So, let their actions speak for themselves; They deserve to be left a lone.

Considering that the extent of Prussia's and Poland's home territory is almost identical, they are not exactly pre-destined for good neighborly relations now, aren't they?
It's probably for the best that one of them is gone. The territory between the Oder and the Vistula just ain't big enough for the both of them.

We are never good or friendly towards one another, and I mean as peoples when you consider it. Then again least my Ancestors moved from Germany before WW1. However, thing is Prussia is a state of all Germanic speaking people basically, we can claim all of Europe down to Spain. So yeah, while only part of Hungary had Germans in it to begin with so. Yeah, basically you can say hitlers ww2 set up was based off of prussian pride of the germanic people. But besides point, if we go by the past in general Poland and Hungary being friendly won't last long either.

Baltenstein wrote:

Principality of the Raix wrote:Which is basically the same thing...However, how do people get ruled over back in that time? Easily invasion is by killing the men, raping the women(sorry for the visual image in the mind for this) and basically genocide of the people that was ruling that land back then. When you consider it, however the culture is dependent on if it is continued on whether or not it impacts the society.

Note: Also I forgot the enslavement part of the defeated, if they do that. Sometimes they did, not always.

Um, no. That's not true at all. The idea that in order to rule a freshly-conquered land you have to REMOVEKEBAB all the original inhabitants first is very 20th Century in nature. In the overwhelming majority of conquests throughout history, the conquerors just took over as the ruling elite and let the subjugated majority go on with their lives.

Yes and a village in italy was not burnt to the ground by I think english or french mercenary's hired by the church and not to state the mercenary was a nobleman; If i recall correctly. They were more bloody then you think. More then now, in truth it does not take a courageous man to hold a gun, yes run into bombs i admit gives you courage. However, it was people being chopped in half compared to blown up and shot at.

Principality of the Raix wrote:

Baltenstein wrote:
Considering that the extent of Prussia's and Poland's home territory is almost identical, they are not exactly pre-destined for good neighborly relations now, aren't they?
It's probably for the best that one of them is gone. The territory between the Oder and the Vistula just ain't big enough for the both of them.

We are never good or friendly towards one another, and I mean as peoples when you consider it. Then again least my Ancestors moved from Germany before WW1. However, thing is Prussia is a state of all Germanic speaking people basically, we can claim all of Europe down to Spain.

Jesus dude, that's...so not true either. If by Spain you mean the Habsburg dynasty that used to rule there...it was Austrian, sworn enemies of Prussia for centuries before they became the German Empire's little bitch prior to WW1. At no point throughout history was Prussia synonymous with the German-speaking or German-ruled lands as a whole. In fact, "Prussian" is considered an insult in Southern Germany even today.

Deian salazar wrote:

Baltenstein wrote:
Considering that the extent of Prussia's and Poland's home territory is almost identical, they are not exactly pre-destined for good neighborly relations now, aren't they?
It's probably for the best that one of them is gone. The territory between the Oder and the Vistula just ain't big enough for the both of them.

But why did it have to be Prussia, the better and cooler one?
*Cries in the corner knowing the answer he's going to get.*

Cause, Prussia was militaristic. Ironically something they took the idea from now. After WW2.

Principality of the Raix wrote:

Baltenstein wrote:
Um, no. That's not true at all. The idea that in order to rule a freshly-conquered land you have to REMOVEKEBAB all the original inhabitants first is very 20th Century in nature. In the overwhelming majority of conquests throughout history, the conquerors just took over as the ruling elite and let the subjugated majority go on with their lives.

Yes and a village in italy was not burnt to the ground by I think english or french mercenary's hired by the church and not to state the mercenary was a nobleman;

The fact that atrocities happened on a constant basis, especially during war, does not contradict what I said.

Principality of the Raix wrote:

Deian salazar wrote:Or we could have Israel rule us all.
I mean what's the worst that could happen?
Guys?
Guys?

An Ethno-state, Genocide, Extinction of all but the Jewish race. Just a few things after what we seen, I mean if people still wanna argue over Stalin. Lennin was a jew for sure and so... I mean U.S.S.R massacres anyone?

What exactly are you trying to say with that word salad?

Deian salazar wrote:

Baltenstein wrote:
Considering that the extent of Prussia's and Poland's home territory is almost identical, they are not exactly pre-destined for good neighborly relations now, aren't they?
It's probably for the best that one of them is gone. The territory between the Oder and the Vistula just ain't big enough for the both of them.

But why did it have to be Prussia, the better and cooler one?
*Cries in the corner knowing the answer he's going to get.*

A homeless Austrian person with a silly mustache is the reason, I'm afraid.

Baltenstein wrote:

Principality of the Raix wrote:We are never good or friendly towards one another, and I mean as peoples when you consider it. Then again least my Ancestors moved from Germany before WW1. However, thing is Prussia is a state of all Germanic speaking people basically, we can claim all of Europe down to Spain.

Jesus dude, that's...so not true either. If by Spain you mean the Habsburg dynasty that used to rule there...it was Austrian, sworn enemies of Prussia for centuries before they became the German Empire's little bitch prior to WW1. At no point throughout history was Prussia synonymous with the German-speaking or German-ruled lands as a whole. In fact, "Prussian" is considered an insult in Southern Germany even today.

Actually it is, the Franks are a germanic tribe aka France. The British, though the irish and scottish are tied by ancestory. Most britains are Saxons or some other viking germanic and Scandinavian bloodline. Except the welsh, while the danes and the scandinavians may as well be cousins to the Germanic tribes at the time we speak of in history. So yeah. While Spain, well I don't consider the Vandals as very germanic specially seeing as spain is a mixture of ethnicity. Seeing as how many peoples ruled it. Unlike the above listed.

Deian salazar wrote:

Baltenstein wrote:
A homeless Austrian person with a silly mustache is the reason, I'm afraid.

So the Austrians did get what they wanted in the end...
Maybe that was Hitler's plan all along?

Well I think he had a mental break down in the long run and people just kept giving into him in a way, while one must look at the fact he was a conspiracy theorist like die hard on the jews after he got turned down from art school. So it could of all been resolved, if he had gotten into art school.......


Yet they still function today, I say we destroy the art school....

Topoliani wrote:All in favor of just declaring Israel/Palestine a neutral UN zone say aye just to prevent stupidity like this.

The best option to do with those two.

Deian salazar wrote:

Naval Monte wrote:
The best option to do with those two.

Aye.
I'm sick of this BS.

Why Neutral, that means their populace can kill each other without intervention. As a humanitarian of sorts, I gotta disagree. Better to just conquer both and split territory, if you want to resolve the issue. While hold Jerusalem as the neutral zone itself.

Deian salazar wrote:

Principality of the Raix wrote: Why Neutral, that means their populace can kill each other without intervention. As a humanitarian of sorts, I gotta disagree. Better to just conquer both and split territory, if you want to resolve the issue. While hold Jerusalem as the neutral zone itself.

Then that creates ethnic insurgency and promotes imperialism...

Well true, within the territory. But not in jerusalem. Which is what the whole issue is about.

Added: Why? Because in the past as proven when jerusalem is left a lone and enabled neutrality, the populations of all worshipers remain in balance.

Deian salazar wrote:

Principality of the Raix wrote:Well true, within the territory. But not in jerusalem. Which is what the whole issue is about.

Added: Why? Because in the past as proven when jerusalem is left a lone and enabled neutrality, the populations of all worshipers remain in balance.

Just like have both have the east and west respectively, then make Jerusalem a neutral zone.

Exactly.

Honestly I think this is good for the city as a whole if you are a Jew and you go into the Arab side of the city you have to have IDF escort you.

As a Jew, I absolutely believe that Jerusalem should be recognized as the capital of Israel. However, I understand that this was not the right time. It was foolish to do this now. It will only provoke tensions in the Middle East, and cause more Muslims to hate the US. One again, Donald Trump has made a stupid, stupid decision. He claims he was just keeping a promise that previous Presidents did not, but this moron doesn't realize that there was a reason WHY they didn't follow through; because it will only provoke tensions with Palestine.

Don't get me wrong, I fully believe Palestine has no claim to Jerusalem, which has been the center of Judaism for millennia. It is my opinion that the existence of a Palestinian nation is an idea conceived by arabic peoples as a way of attempting to lay claim to an area that they stole from the Jews millennia ago. There has never been a palestinian state, the area was first controlled by the Jews, before a series of empires forced them out. A palestinian government has never existed until after World War II, and frankly, I fail to see why the arabs need a small sliver of land and their third holiest city (whereas that same city is the holiest city of the Jews), when they've already got millions of square miles of land, dozens of countries, and their 2 holiest cities. When the UN decided to create a Jewish nation and agreed to split it and give some territory to the arabs, they adamantly refused the agreement, and instead invaded Israel. Israel had no choice but to defend themselves from the invaders. Now, after decades of terrorist attacks on Israel, who's resorted to rather stringent measures, but only in the name of self-defense, they have cried foul over the fact that they being refused a deal they already rejected decades ago, and over the fact that Israel has refused to loosen the only measures that keep them from attacking Israel, simply because they lost the many wars they've waged against Israel. Now they also resort to propaganda tactics on Americans in an attempt to sway opinions on the left in their favor. It's time for the Palestinian government to stop acting like a spoiled, stubborn child that claimed to have always owned a toy (despite their claim never legitimately existing), was then offered a decent compromise of sharing the toy, refused the compromise, and then tried to take the entire toy by force, and after being beaten badly, now wants the original deal back, despite continuous attacks on the one trying to defend themself. If they want a deal, then they need stop attacking, and concede that they will have to face some losses; they need to learn that wars, terrorism, and stubbornness have consequences.

That said, I disagree with trump making this move now; it seems he's doing it only to distract from the investigation into his administration and his campaign, and it will only lead to more attacks on Israel and America. This move could very well make trump responsible for the next 9/11.

Honestly, don't care. This is just a move by the Trump administration to rile up the base so they don't focus on the disaster that has been the last few weeks.

Trump was saying he would do this in February, he chose to do it now because it's politically convenient.

Wysten wrote:Honestly I think this is good for the city as a whole if you are a Jew and you go into the Arab side of the city you have to have IDF escort you.

Wow, shit, I wonder what happens to the Palestinians who try to enter Israeli territory

Wysten wrote:Honestly I think this is good for the city as a whole if you are a Jew and you go into the Arab side of the city you have to have IDF escort you.

The Arabs haven't faded into dust because of this.

If anything, they'd just get more pissed.

MERIZoC wrote:

Wysten wrote:Honestly I think this is good for the city as a whole if you are a Jew and you go into the Arab side of the city you have to have IDF escort you.

Wow, shit, I wonder what happens to the Palestinians who try to enter Israeli territory

In that case, you have to get a hearse to escort you...

MERIZoC wrote:

Wysten wrote:Honestly I think this is good for the city as a whole if you are a Jew and you go into the Arab side of the city you have to have IDF escort you.

Wow, shit, I wonder what happens to the Palestinians who try to enter Israeli territory

They don't get attacked and the perps are usually arrested and their names are not plastered on road signs.

MERIZoC wrote:

Wysten wrote:Honestly I think this is good for the city as a whole if you are a Jew and you go into the Arab side of the city you have to have IDF escort you.

Wow, shit, I wonder what happens to the Palestinians who try to enter Israeli territory

....some say they're still waiting.

Valrifell wrote:

Wysten wrote:Honestly I think this is good for the city as a whole if you are a Jew and you go into the Arab side of the city you have to have IDF escort you.

The Arabs haven't faded into dust because of this.

If anything, they'd just get more pissed.

and what attack the same place as a US embassy?

Wysten wrote:

Valrifell wrote:
The Arabs haven't faded into dust because of this.

If anything, they'd just get more pissed.

and what attack the same place as a US embassy?

They'll probably just attack the US embassy. This whole thing seems to have really riled them up for some reason....

Wysten wrote:

MERIZoC wrote:Wow, shit, I wonder what happens to the Palestinians who try to enter Israeli territory

They don't get attacked and the perps are usually arrested and their names are not plastered on road signs.

That was perfectly coherent.