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Sanctissima wrote:Because the US worked with the USSR to defeat literal Nazis, not to "exterminate the evil Zionist Jews".

Principality of the Raix wrote:

Collatis wrote:Your link makes no mention of Stalin supposedly being Jewish, and in fact mentions his various actions to oppress the Jews. There is absolutely nothing to indicate that Stalin was Jewish, and his antisemitism and his actions seem to show the exact opposite. "Your opinion" is based on nothing but conspiracy theories.

Uh, being within the jewish link means he is a jew. Or are you ignorant on this fact? The jews only place jews in their jewish historia. Aka read the link, Jewish virtual library.

Valrifell wrote:

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Facts don't count when it comes to offending religious people, and offending muslim religious people is a terrible thing nobody should do, so sayeth the tolerant left.

Again.
The earth goes round the sun.
Jerusalem is the capital of Israel.

I think the fear of something like another oil embargo is pretty reasonable, and the desire to keep friendly relations with Arabs in the Middle East also fairly reasonable.

This is regardless of whether or not Jerusalem is or isn't de facto the Israeli capital, of course it is, but that doesn't matter when playing politics.

Conserative Morality wrote:

Sanctissima wrote:Because the US worked with the USSR to defeat literal Nazis, not to "exterminate the evil Zionist Jews".

So you admit that them being allies means nothing and your comment was just a smear made in bad faith and not an actual point. Good to know.

Ostroeuropa wrote:

Valrifell wrote:
I think the fear of something like another oil embargo is pretty reasonable, and the desire to keep friendly relations with Arabs in the Middle East also fairly reasonable.

This is regardless of whether or not Jerusalem is or isn't de facto the Israeli capital, of course it is, but that doesn't matter when playing politics.

If we're afraid of oil embargoes we should get off our dependency on oil.
People are not your friends if they demand you ignore reality.

It's really in everyones interest for the oil to stop flowing. I don't think money matters much when your homeland is now incapable of supporting life, and it'll hit them before it hits us.

Baltenstein wrote:Hence my mentioning of the international community ensuring that - read this in the voice of John Cleese as Jewish high priest - "NOBODY GETS TO ATTACK ANYBODY!"

Aillyria wrote:This is one of Trump's dumbest moves, now he'll have the hatred of most of the world's muslim, even here in the States. More elite support for the fake nation of Israel.

Collatis wrote:

Principality of the Raix wrote:Uh, being within the jewish link means he is a jew. Or are you ignorant on this fact? The jews only place jews in their jewish historia. Aka read the link, Jewish virtual library.

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This logic hurts my brain. They also profile FDR, Obama, Reagan, Clinton, and Hitler.

Principality of the Raix wrote:

Ostroeuropa wrote:
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Hitler?

Is hitler on the site?

Edited: not a surprise as he was claimed as an Austrian Jew.

Mithridia wrote:

Aillyria wrote:This is one of Trump's dumbest moves, now he'll have the hatred of most of the world's muslim, even here in the States. More elite support for the fake nation of Israel.

I'm under the radical impression that the peoples of Islam aren't exactly in his favor regardless.

(((Trump)))

Collatis wrote:

Principality of the Raix wrote:Uh, being within the jewish link means he is a jew. Or are you ignorant on this fact? The jews only place jews in their jewish historia. Aka read the link, Jewish virtual library.

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This logic hurts my brain. They also profile FDR, Obama, Reagan, Clinton, and Hitler.

Collatis wrote:

Principality of the Raix wrote:Is hitler on the site?

Edited: not a surprise as he was claimed as an Austrian Jew.

Yasser Arafat, Jew

Conserative Morality wrote:

Sanctissima wrote:Because the US worked with the USSR to defeat literal Nazis, not to "exterminate the evil Zionist Jews".

So you admit that them being allies means nothing and your comment was just a smear made in bad faith and not an actual point. Good to know.

Deian salazar wrote:

Principality of the Raix wrote:Course not, He is a Nationalist. Meaning he hates anything that hurts his country like any sane individual would.

Nations are selfish and greedy.
Any sane individual would not be committed entirely to one nation, but to basic morality.

Principality of the Raix wrote:

Collatis wrote:...

This logic hurts my brain. They also profile FDR, Obama, Reagan, Clinton, and Hitler.

Sorry, but those five people are not in the category line up. So no they are not stated, unless it is a random line up of names.

Principality of the Raix wrote:Even then, we know Obama is a Muslim based on the facts of his birth. No matter, how much he denies.

Collatis wrote:

Principality of the Raix wrote:Sorry, but those five people are not in the category line up. So no they are not stated, unless it is a random line up of names.

FDR, Obama, Reagan, Clinton, Hitler.

Principality of the Raix wrote:Even then, we know Obama is a Muslim based on the facts of his birth. No matter, how much he denies.

Yeah, I'm gonna stop this debate...

Deian salazar wrote:

Principality of the Raix wrote:Can not disagree til the second line, I think an individual should be committed to their country. Otherwise you have no reason to even have the Nation, let a lone care if someone comes and says "kills your fellow nationals whomever or where ever you are".

Well I more say nations should be used as a basic governing order to rule by law and that governing the entire world would be a nightmare. so nations exist out of necessity really, but that doesn't mean I don't support doing the occasional selfless thing once in a while.
You could make the argument this move was selfless, and sure maybe in some respect it is, but it really causes more trouble than it's worth.

Deian salazar wrote:

Watuhuru wrote:Okay, so, I'm going to try to summerize my understanding of this situation. Please correct me if I get anything wrong.

1.) Israel says that Jerusalem is it's capital.
2.) Palestine says it's not.
3.) Every other nation who maintains diplomatic contact with Israel has their Embassy in Tel Aviv, as to avoid offending Palestine.
4.) Trump has decided to move the US Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.
5.) Everyone is up in arms because that would offend Palestine.

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't the US consistently chosen Israel's interests over Palestine's?

Well it doesn't just offend Palestine, it offends most the Muslim world.

Watuhuru wrote:Okay, so, I'm going to try to summerize my understanding of this situation. Please correct me if I get anything wrong.

1.) Israel says that Jerusalem is it's capital.
2.) Palestine says it's not.
3.) Every other nation who maintains diplomatic contact with Israel has their Embassy in Tel Aviv, as to avoid offending Palestine.
4.) Trump has decided to move the US Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.
5.) Everyone is up in arms because that would offend Palestine.

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't the US consistently chosen Israel's interests over Palestine's?

Deian salazar wrote:

Principality of the Raix wrote:I agree, no one should look to rule the world per se. Too much of a hassle without every ones consent.

Even with that consent, it's due to end in chaos.
It's a nice idea and idealistic, and even if you take out ethnic and religious differences and people not wanting to be part of it, it'd be in endless civil war over ideology alone.

Deian salazar wrote:

Watuhuru wrote:Okay, so, I'm going to try to summerize my understanding of this situation. Please correct me if I get anything wrong.

1.) Israel says that Jerusalem is it's capital.
2.) Palestine says it's not.
3.) Every other nation who maintains diplomatic contact with Israel has their Embassy in Tel Aviv, as to avoid offending Palestine.
4.) Trump has decided to move the US Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.
5.) Everyone is up in arms because that would offend Palestine.

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't the US consistently chosen Israel's interests over Palestine's?

Well it doesn't just offend Palestine, it offends most the Muslim world.

Watuhuru wrote:

Deian salazar wrote:Well it doesn't just offend Palestine, it offends most the Muslim world.

And that just leads me to restate me point. Hasn't the United States consistently, or at least more often then not, chosen to support Israel's interests over the interest of Muslims worldwide? Because I feel like we have.

Deian salazar wrote:

Watuhuru wrote:And that just leads me to restate me point. Hasn't the United States consistently, or at least more often then not, chosen to support Israel's interests over the interest of Muslims worldwide? Because I feel like we have.

Yeah but Turkey is Muslim, and Saudi Arabia is, and Pakistan, and Afghanistan, and Egypt, and Morocco, and...See where I'm going with this? Nations we have good ties with and/or need for one reason or another would be pissed off.