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Deian salazar wrote:

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Trump said something stupid. Bears shit in woods. Watersides are fun.

This is not a crises this is just something dumb.

It is. It has vast consequences. Sorry but saying dumb stuff can cause crises. And official recognition as well.
This would be like recognizing Raqqa as ISIS's capital in 2014 if ISIS had hostile relations with it's neighbors and they didn't recognize it but somehow wasn't at war. They hate them, it'd cause a crisis. Same thing if the USA recognized the Kurds, or Catalans.

United Muscovite Nations wrote:

Kennlind wrote:What? How did he cause the crises in Yemen and Qatar? The Arab Spring was backed by OBAMA's government.

1. They've been seen as an enemy of Islam for at least two decades
2. Yes that's totally gonna happen
3. Not gonna happen
4. Not gonna happen

He did not fuck up. He did what was right: supporting Israel against Hamas/PLO terrorists.

The IDF are just as much terrorists as Hamas.

Deian salazar wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/06/world/middleeast/trump-jerusalem-israel-capital.html
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-jerusalem-israel-capital-turkey-organization-islamic-cooperation/

Yup. Trump did it. The madman did it. He's caused another unnecessary crisis, just like Yemen and Qatar.
Yes I am aware of the argument for doing it, but this will cause another diplomatic crisis even if they stay our allies, it will strain ties further.
I personally think one of 4 things will happen:

1: Diplomatic crisis that makes USA be seen as enemy of Islam by many people

Trumptonium wrote:

The Alma Mater wrote:
"All" currently consisting of exactly two countries.

These countries have embassies in Jerusalem.

Deian salazar wrote:

Cyrothica wrote:And Palestine was a Jewish State. Even had a Jewish flag. The land was always Jewish. The arabs didn't lay claim to it until Egypt and Jordan begun exiling people. And Israel didn't carve the land - The U.K. did. And last I've checked, since Israel has it's own economy, army, seat in NATO and UN, which therefor makes it a nation by legal rights. Also if we're going to go by "Well since so and so invaded such and such, the land should be returned to the former citizens" then let's apply this to Canada, U.S., Europe, China, Korea, and so on if thats how the game is gonna be played.

Palestine was promised independence from the Brits.
Specifically in Jerusalem and the rest of modern Israel.
The Brits f*cked up and the USA is just making it worse.

Kennlind wrote:

United Muscovite Nations wrote:The IDF are just as much terrorists as Hamas.

No they're not. 1) They're defending their country, 2) Hamas actively target civilians.

United Muscovite Nations wrote:

Cyrothica wrote:And Palestine was a Jewish State. Even had a Jewish flag. The land was always Jewish. The arabs didn't lay claim to it until Egypt and Jordan begun exiling people. And Israel didn't carve the land - The U.K. did. And last I've checked, since Israel has it's own economy, army, seat in NATO and UN, which therefor makes it a nation by legal rights. Also if we're going to go by "Well since so and so invaded such and such, the land should be returned to the former citizens" then let's apply this to Canada, U.S., Europe, China, Korea, and so on if thats how the game is gonna be played.

Arabs were the majority in every part of Palestine except Jaffa.

Petrasylvania wrote:Trump just approved Israel ethnically cleansing the Palestinians.

United Muscovite Nations wrote:

Kennlind wrote:No they're not. 1) They're defending their country, 2) Hamas actively target civilians.

1) So is Hamas.
2) So does the IDF.

Trumptonium wrote:Good.

Though the 3 sites (Holy Sepulchre, Dome and Wailing Wall) should become governed by the UN with free access to everybody.

But Jerusalem is and should remain Israel's capital, recognised by all.

Anything that pisses off the Islamic world is just a bonus, and anything that enrages European & American Muslims to rage and riot is politically beneficial.

Ors Might wrote:

Petrasylvania wrote:Trump just approved Israel ethnically cleansing the Palestinians.

Source?

United Muscovite Nations wrote:

Cyrothica wrote:Jerusalem was always Israel's capital, and I find it more sadistic to carve up a sovereign nation to appease it's neighbors than to cause a "diplomatic crisis".

And you should probably place this in the Trump thread just to be safe to be honest.

Israel carved up Palestine, not the other way around.

Deian salazar wrote:

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:I guess a bunch of evangelicals in America will be happy now that the supposed apocalypse and Jesus’ return is one step closer to ‘reality’.

As a Christian I'm recognizing it as a possibility, but I'm not judging my political stance on it. If it ends up being true then great!
If not, then he just f*cked up.

Deian salazar wrote:

Cyrothica wrote:How's it worse when clearly the Jews established their own nation? Yeah the IDF can be brutal, but if you had a bunch of shitheads as your neighbor, I'm sure you'd want your military to be just as brutal as they are. And as I've stated before, Palestine pre 1960's were Jewish anyway, all they did was change the name of their country. A bunch of jews didn't just look at the news paper and go "Oh! Time to go steal some land before it gets claimed!" Sorry dude, but Israel is a sovereign country whether you like it or not.

What about War Crimes?
Also no, the Palestinians were promised a country by the Brits and got it in 1947.
And I don't dislike Israel, I'm neutral due to my (Christian) religious beliefs(specifically revelations). However I do think being Anti-Jewish and Anti-Israel is an overreaction personally but I respect that belief. I'm not opposing Israel nor supporting the Arab states, I'm just stating this will strain relations and cause issues, hurt the Israel-Palestinian peace process, and give justification for some diplomatic actions and that's why it is a f*ck up.

Deian salazar wrote:

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:I guess a bunch of evangelicals in America will be happy now that the supposed apocalypse and Jesus’ return is one step closer to ‘reality’.

As a Christian I'm recognizing it as a possibility, but I'm not judging my political stance on it. If it ends up being true then great!
If not, then he just f*cked up.

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:I guess a bunch of evangelicals in America will be happy now that the supposed apocalypse and Jesus’ return is one step closer to ‘reality’.

Deian salazar wrote:

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:"Unsure(Like Israel"

plz "Unsure(Like Israel)"

my bad!

Cyrothica wrote:

United Muscovite Nations wrote:Arabs were the majority in every part of Palestine except Jaffa.

Is that why the Palestinian flag was the star of david? Is that why Palestinian athletes had mainly Jewish features? Sorry, but no.