Trump just recognized Jerusalem as Israel's Capital

[The Conez Imperium]

The primary goal of the UN is to facilitate peace through dialogue and bring all countries of the world together. Through the world assembly and the security council, they've been doing just that.

Where ?

Umm, in a big conference room in New York? I don't understand your question.

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[Free Tristania]

And the only acceptable arrangement is for Muslims to withdraw to the Arabic Peninsula.

Clearly, we must all return to Africa. That's the only way to permanently solve this problem.

Seriously, though, I'm more on Aillyria's side here. Israel has a right to exist, but not at the expense of another nation, and not as an aggressive religious ethno-state.

Nice strawman. The Arabs claim lands that aren't even there but like to lecture the West about colonialism. I see some "mild" hypocrisy there.

[United Muscovite Nations]

What foreign policy?

"Hey, son-in-law with no foreign policy experience, go solve the Middle East! And let's cause more civilian casualties in the Middle East! Also, maybe cause a nuclear war, and see if we can alienate even the Tories by retweeting British nazis!"

That foreign policy?

Nice strawman.

More like standing up to North Korean agression, and supporting our allies and recognizing their legal capitals.

Daily reminder that Israel has never fought a war on the same side as the United States and is not technically allied with the United States.

[Free Tristania]

Where ?

Umm, in a big conference room in New York? I don't understand your question.

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Give me some examples.

[Trumptonium]

Where is approve, dislike Israel?

I dislike Israel but enemy of my enemy is a friend.

[Petrasylvania]

A guy who has no idea how politics works makes political blunders.

What'd you expect?

Not really a political blunder. I'm leaning towards voting for Trump now

Ah, single issue voter.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Where is approve, dislike Israel?

I dislike Israel but enemy of my enemy is a friend.

So, what does Israel do that helps the West?

[Thermodolia]

ppfftt, it's not...

East Jerusalem IS occupied territory. Israel didn't rule it until the Six Day War.

Actually it's an annexed territory

[Kennlind]

It wasn't just given to the Jews. It was given back to the Jews.

The Jews hadn't had it for thousands of years. Let me guess, you want your country to be given back to the Italians?

My country was never owned by the Italians.

Yes, "genocidal".

The same nation that has made great strives to accommodate its Arabic and Muslim citizens, that has repeatedly tried to come to some sort of arrangement with Palestine and that literally allows anti-Zionist Islamic parties to participate in the Israeli Knesset despite many of them being opposed to the very existence of Israel as a nation.

Wow, what a bunch of evil genocidal mass-murderers.

The only acceptable "arrangement" is for the Jews to hand over all land they stole from the Palestinians in 1947.

The only acceptable "arrangement" is for the Muslims to hand over all land they stole from the Levantines, Mesopotamians, Persians, North Africans, Transoxanians, Sindhi and Caucasians.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Fair point, but in the end just wishful thinking. It is where a lot of Isreal gov buildings are, and plenty of civilians it's more city than occupied territory. To put it into words, "colonized territory"

Just like Kaliningrad...
*Grumbles*

Exactly, although I do hate it. I want to ask a Russian why they took Prussia one day, since it just seems so random

[Trumptonium]

Good.

Though the 3 sites (Holy Sepulchre, Dome and Wailing Wall) should become governed by the UN with free access to everybody.

But Jerusalem is and should remain Israel's capital, recognised by all.

Anything that pisses off the Islamic world is just a bonus, and anything that enrages European & American Muslims to rage and riot is politically beneficial.

Yes, make the holy city of 3 religions the capitol of a genocidal zionist "nation" that exists on land stolen from the natives within living memory.

It wasn't stolen, it was conquered.

They wanted a war, they got their arse handed to them.

Israel should have kept Sinai too.

[United Muscovite Nations]

The Jews hadn't had it for thousands of years. Let me guess, you want your country to be given back to the Italians?

My country was never owned by the Italians.

Aren't you British?

[Thermodolia]

No, please teach me, my master.



Russia and China hate Muslims. They do everything they can to make their lives a living hell domestically. Abroad, neither of them have good ties with Muslim nations. Except for Russia who likes to fund Sudan's dictator life in exchange for a few necessary resources and general fuckuppery in Africa if needed, along with their relationship with nominally Muslim countries of Azerbaijan and the Stans. Russia's relationship with Iran is overrated in the media.

China hates them all.

The Americans are the most Muslim-friendly major nation on the planet. Apart from Germany.



So wait.

World vs. Islam?

I have a good guess as to who would win?



???

Canada has the world's third largest oil reserves and the lowest rate of extraction. They alone can fund a war.

Besides, Russia would be on 'our' side, so there's them, and Venezuela.

You don't understand Realpolitik do you?
Realpolitik means Russia would love to take advantage of this.
As would China. Whether they like the Muslims or not is irrelevant, this is a golden opportunity for them.

You do know that Israel has a good relationship with both china and Russia right?

[Saiwania]

I support this action and it is a recognition of the situation on the ground. I don't see the Kingdom of Jordan or any Arab nation occupying any portion of Jerusalem, it is clearly under the control of the IDF and the state of Israel's police forces.

[The Conez Imperium]

Umm, in a big conference room in New York? I don't understand your question.

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Give me some examples.

If you don't explain your question more specifically, I can't help you.

Through the world assembly and the security council, they've been doing just that [facilitating peace through dialogue and bringing all countries of the world together]

Like do you want a location? Or do you want to ask how the UN does this? Are you asking why the UN does this or inquiring as to the practicalities of the UN's goal?

[Kennlind]

My country was never owned by the Italians.

Aren't you British?

No I am not. I'm Irish-Scottish and half Hebrew.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Aren't you British?

No I am not. I'm Irish-Scottish and half Hebrew.

So, you live in Scotland? Then you should go back to Ireland and give it back ceremoniously to the Picts.

[Sanctissima]

Why did the partition plan of 1948 be rejected by the Palestinians?

Because it gave Israel massive amounts of territory that were majority Arab.

Ah yes, the plight of Palestine.

>try to kill all the Jews in massive revolt
>fail miserably, lose revolt
>try to kill all the Jews again, but this time with the help of other Arab nations in what should amount to an international gang-rape
>fail miserably once again
>get offered reasonable 50/50 split of land
>refuse, blame Jews for everything, have most other Arab nations expel all Jews from their borders for petty revenge
>organize massive Middle-Eastern gang rape of Israel again, because the last one worked so well
>fail miserably, Israelis finally fed up with your shit and kick you out
>"fucking genocidal Jews"
>third time's the charm, organize a final gang rape of Israel
>fail again, getting your ass handed to you
>insert Camp David Accords
>despite it all, Israel feels sorry for you and offers some territorial concessions
>not good enough, cry crocodile tears and commence terrorist insurgency
>somehow most of the international community still thinks you're the good guy and the UN treats you like a golden child

[Slavonia and Srijem]

I see Trump really wants to go down in history as WWIII causer.

[Free Tristania]

Where is approve, dislike Israel?

I dislike Israel but enemy of my enemy is a friend.

There isn't one but you have found another one that feels that way. The way they use the Holocaust to constantly remind the West that they need even more support, irritates the shit out of me. Affairs where they used Western passports to stage attacks ? Same story. But it's the bloody we have in that part of the world.

As for the Arabs: they have made it quite clear that they want us all either converted, enslaved, dead and buried. So I don't see why some Leftie idiots support them ? None of the lands it concerns belong to the Arabs. They are effectively colonies as nothing beyond the Arab peninsula is actually Arab or Islamic land.

[Liriena]

Honestly, Obama's foreign policy only looked passive, but in practical terms it wasn't too different from the Bush foreign policy. In hindsight, I gave him too much of a free pass.

*pamphlet bombing run on arabs* - Obamas foreign policy

Obama’s covert drone war in numbers: ten times more strikes than Bush - The Bureau of Investigative Journalism
The Uncounted - The New York Times

[Kennlind]

Russia and China hate Muslims. They do everything they can to make their lives a living hell domestically. Abroad, neither of them have good ties with Muslim nations. Except for Russia who likes to fund Sudan's dictator life in exchange for a few necessary resources and general fuckuppery in Africa if needed, along with their relationship with nominally Muslim countries of Azerbaijan and the Stans. Russia's relationship with Iran is overrated in the media.

China hates them all.

The Americans are the most Muslim-friendly major nation on the planet. Apart from Germany.

Okay this is utter shit. China yes, but Russia does not. About 6% of Russians are Muslims, and they experience the same rights and liberties as other Russians. Ever heard of Chechnya? Like 97% Muslim and it's extremely loyal to Russia.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Because it gave Israel massive amounts of territory that were majority Arab.

Ah yes, the plight of Palestine.

>try to kill all the Jews in massive revolt
>fail miserably, lose revolt
>try to kill all the Jews again, but this with the help of other Arab nations in what should amount to an international gang-rape
>fail miserably once again
>get offered reasonable 50/50 split of land
>refuse, blame Jews for everything, have most other Arab nations expel all Jews from their borders for petty revenge
>organize massive Middle-Eastern gang rape of Israel again, because the last one worked so well
>fail miserably, Israelis finally fed up with your shit and kick you out
>"fucking genocidal Jews"
>third time's the charm, organize a final gang rape of Israel
>fail again, getting your ass handed to you
>insert Camp David Accords
>despite it all, Israel feels sorry for you and offers some territorial concessions
>not good enough, cry crocodile tears and commence terrorist insurgency
>somehow most of the international community still thinks you're the good guy and the UN treats you like a golden child

A 50/50 split is not reasonable when you're more than 50% of the population.

[Free Tristania]

Give me some examples.

If you don't explain your question more specifically, I can't help you.

Through the world assembly and the security council, they've been doing just that [facilitating peace through dialogue and bringing all countries of the world together]

Like do you want a location? Or do you want to ask how the UN does this? Are you asking why the UN does this or inquiring as to the practicalities of the UN's goal?

Give me examples of UN successes over the last 25 years. Come on, it's not that difficult, is it ? After all, they are working so hard to make the world a better place. There should be a new success story every single day, right ?

[Thermodolia]

Nice strawman.

More like standing up to North Korean agression, and supporting our allies and recognizing their legal capitals.

Daily reminder that Israel has never fought a war on the same side as the United States and is not technically allied with the United States.

We have supported them in several wars. Also we have several allies who are like that. Also we don't need to have fought a war on the same side to support a nation