Trump just recognized Jerusalem as Israel's Capital

[The Parkus Empire]

Haha, how are you going to abstract those values from culture? Especially since "Whig history" is purely Western

When people talk about "national values" they talk about the ceremonial characteristics of a national group. Every piece of philosophy is written in a certain context but it will be pretty silly to believe that Marxism for example is part of "German Culture" because Karl Marx was born in Germany.

Marxism is against culture altogether.

[Kibbutz Unions]

When people talk about "national values" they talk about the ceremonial characteristics of a national group. Every piece of philosophy is written in a certain context but it will be pretty silly to believe that Marxism for example is part of "German Culture" because Karl Marx was born in Germany.

Marxism is against culture altogether.

Wow. And no, it's not.

[The Parkus Empire]

Marxism is against culture altogether.

Wow. And no, it's not.

Sure is. Ever read Engels on The Family?

[Kibbutz Unions]

Wow. And no, it's not.

Sure is. Ever read Engels on The Family?

Marxism is critical of the relations as they are established under bourgeois ideology. However if anything many Marxist schools of thought wish to protect traditional culture from being commercialized and destroyed by industrial capitalism.

So if anything, Marxism has a tendency of trying to protect culture from being annihilated by consumerist imperialist capitalism.

[Sovaal]

You are going to have an hegemony of values no matter what, as law is impossible without them. Among a population of devout Muslims, those values will be different than a population of nonreligious Japanese.

TFW this meme about the Japanese being non-religious is still around.

Shintoism not real I guess.

[Kibbutz Unions]

TFW this meme about the Japanese being non-religious is still around.

Shintoism not real I guess.

But if devout Muslims lived in nonreligious, RATIONAL Japan the alt-right would lose their greatest treasure.... ANIME MEMES!

[The Parkus Empire]

Sure is. Ever read Engels on The Family?

Marxism is critical of the relations as they are established under bourgeois ideology. However if anything many Marxist schools of thought wish to protect traditional culture from being commercialized and destroyed by industrial capitalism.

So if anything, Marxism has a tendency of trying to protect culture from being annihilated by consumerist imperialist capitalism.

Engels says monogamous marriage is the beginning of class oppression. You cannot say religion, marriage and property are all stupid, but claim to support culture.

Marxism has zero interest in localism. It is an internationalist ideology which seeks to impose a universal political-economic system over the entire planet.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Sure is. Ever read Engels on The Family?

Marxism is critical of the relations as they are established under bourgeois ideology. However if anything many Marxist schools of thought wish to protect traditional culture from being commercialized and destroyed by industrial capitalism.

So if anything, Marxism has a tendency of trying to protect culture from being annihilated by consumerist imperialist capitalism.

"As a major contributor to conflict theory, Marx argued that culture served to justify inequality. The ruling class, or the bourgeoisie produce a culture that promotes their interests, while repressing the interests of the proletariat. His most famous line to this effect is that "Religion is the opium of the people". Marx believed that the "engine of history" was the struggle between groups of people with diverging economic interests and thus the economy determined the cultural superstructure of values and ideologies. For this reason, Marx is a considered a materialist as he believes that the economic (material) produces the cultural (ideal), which "stands Hegel on his head",[6] who argued the ideal produced the material." - Wikipedia

[Kibbutz Unions]

Marxism is critical of the relations as they are established under bourgeois ideology. However if anything many Marxist schools of thought wish to protect traditional culture from being commercialized and destroyed by industrial capitalism.

So if anything, Marxism has a tendency of trying to protect culture from being annihilated by consumerist imperialist capitalism.

Engrls says monogamous marriage is the beginning of class oppression. You cannot say religion, marriage and property are all stupid, but claim to support culture.

Marxism has zero interest in localism. It is an internationalist ideology which seeks to impose a universal political-economic system over the entire planet.

Engels opposed to marriage as a form of commodity, but not to the emotional aspects of marriage or the ceremonies themselves.
Also, Marriage is not everything there is to culture: for example, there is cuisine, there is music, there's clothing etc.

Classical Marxism barely touches on culture, but later schools of thought tend to view culture similarly to how I just presented.

[The Parkus Empire]

Engrls says monogamous marriage is the beginning of class oppression. You cannot say religion, marriage and property are all stupid, but claim to support culture.

Marxism has zero interest in localism. It is an internationalist ideology which seeks to impose a universal political-economic system over the entire planet.

Engels opposed to marriage as a form of commodity, but not to the emotional aspects of marriage or the ceremonies themselves.
Also, Marriage is not everything there is to culture: for example, there is cuisine, there is music, there's clothing etc.

Classical Marxism barely touches on culture, but later schools of thought tend to view culture similarly to how I just presented.

Capitalism is not opposed to exotic "quisine," indeed it seeks it out. Our selection of spices is greater than it has ever been. Culture is NOT simply food and music (or else I am a member of dozens of cultures), it is a value system and way of life.

[Kibbutz Unions]

Marxism is critical of the relations as they are established under bourgeois ideology. However if anything many Marxist schools of thought wish to protect traditional culture from being commercialized and destroyed by industrial capitalism.

So if anything, Marxism has a tendency of trying to protect culture from being annihilated by consumerist imperialist capitalism.

"As a major contributor to conflict theory, Marx argued that culture served to justify inequality. The ruling class, or the bourgeoisie produce a culture that promotes their interests, while repressing the interests of the proletariat. His most famous line to this effect is that "Religion is the opium of the people". Marx believed that the "engine of history" was the struggle between groups of people with diverging economic interests and thus the economy determined the cultural superstructure of values and ideologies. For this reason, Marx is a considered a materialist as he believes that the economic (material) produces the cultural (ideal), which "stands Hegel on his head",[6] who argued the ideal produced the material." - Wikipedia

Marxism isn't just what "Marx believed" you know (Or not, some people literally think that). There are many schools of thought.
Plus, what Marx said here is precisely what I mentioned: he opposes the cultural habits that are generated to justify capitalism and believes the culture will change, but from here and to say he is "anti-culture" is not only just a stretch but absolute bollocks.

[Kibbutz Unions]

Engels opposed to marriage as a form of commodity, but not to the emotional aspects of marriage or the ceremonies themselves.
Also, Marriage is not everything there is to culture: for example, there is cuisine, there is music, there's clothing etc.

Classical Marxism barely touches on culture, but later schools of thought tend to view culture similarly to how I just presented.

Capitalism is not opposed to exotic "quisine," indeed it seeks it out. Our selection of spices is greater than it has ever been. Culture is NOT simply food and music (or else I am a member of dozens of cultures), it is a value system and way of life.

Capitalism appropriates and exploits various marketable aspects of "exotic cultures" for the benefit of some white dudes.

You probably think that wearing an native american feathers cap on Halloween is part of this "cultural openness of Capitalism".

[The Parkus Empire]

Marxism isn't just what "Marx believed" you know (Or not, some people literally think that). There are many schools of thought.
Plus, what Marx said here is precisely what I mentioned: he opposes the cultural habits that are generated to justify capitalism and believes the culture will change, but from here and to say he is "anti-culture" is not only just a stretch but absolute bollocks.

It is absolutely true. The only reason Marxists today support local cultures is because they are common allies against capitalism. If socialism dominated, local culture and way of life would be stamped out for the sake of progress.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Marxism isn't just what "Marx believed" you know (Or not, some people literally think that). There are many schools of thought.
Plus, what Marx said here is precisely what I mentioned: he opposes the cultural habits that are generated to justify capitalism and believes the culture will change, but from here and to say he is "anti-culture" is not only just a stretch but absolute bollocks.

I'm just posting what the wiki say's for reference purposes. Whether it proves your point or not won't matter to me. I don't really care for Marxist beliefs anyways since it just some excuse for why capitalism is bad.

[Kibbutz Unions]

Marxism isn't just what "Marx believed" you know (Or not, some people literally think that). There are many schools of thought.
Plus, what Marx said here is precisely what I mentioned: he opposes the cultural habits that are generated to justify capitalism and believes the culture will change, but from here and to say he is "anti-culture" is not only just a stretch but absolute bollocks.

It is absolutely true. The only reason Marxists today support local cultures is because they are common allies against capitalism. If socialism dominated, local culture and way of life would be stamped out for the sake of progress.

So you, a non-Marxist, will tell an actual Marxist what are his Marxist beliefs?
Yeah OK.

[The Parkus Empire]

Capitalism is not opposed to exotic "quisine," indeed it seeks it out. Our selection of spices is greater than it has ever been. Culture is NOT simply food and music (or else I am a member of dozens of cultures), it is a value system and way of life.

Capitalism appropriates and exploits various marketable aspects of "exotic cultures" for the benefit of some white dudes.

You probably think that wearing an native american feathers cap on Halloween is part of this "cultural openness of Capitalism".

No, as someone who has done volunteer work on Indian reservations, I do not think that. I am a classical conservative, and I abhor unbridled capitalism's destruction of indigenous culture (as well as my own). I also do not try to simplify culture as music and food, which capitalism in the constant quest for new experiences to consume certainly loves. But recorded music and radio are what destroy local and folk music, and Marxism wants to technify the whole world and every sphere.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Capitalism is not opposed to exotic "quisine," indeed it seeks it out. Our selection of spices is greater than it has ever been. Culture is NOT simply food and music (or else I am a member of dozens of cultures), it is a value system and way of life.

Capitalism appropriates and exploits various marketable aspects of "exotic cultures" for the benefit of some white dudes.

You probably think that wearing an native american feathers cap on Halloween is part of this "cultural openness of Capitalism".

Are you implying their is something wrong with wearing a feather cap during halloween?

[Proctopeo]

Capitalism is not opposed to exotic "quisine," indeed it seeks it out. Our selection of spices is greater than it has ever been. Culture is NOT simply food and music (or else I am a member of dozens of cultures), it is a value system and way of life.

Capitalism appropriates and exploits various marketable aspects of "exotic cultures" for the benefit of some white dudes.

You probably think that wearing an native american feathers cap on Halloween is part of this "cultural openness of Capitalism".

What's wrong with the underlined?

[The Parkus Empire]

Capitalism appropriates and exploits various marketable aspects of "exotic cultures" for the benefit of some white dudes.

You probably think that wearing an native american feathers cap on Halloween is part of this "cultural openness of Capitalism".

Are you implying their is something wrong with wearing a feather cap during halloween?

Sorta like dressing up as Jesus. A bit in poor taste.

[Yurizlansia]

This is terribly anectdotal, but when my mom lived in Israel (Jerusalem and Ber Sheva), she said that Israel was pretty much the capital of Israel. Israeli soldiers guarded its streets (maybe as occupiers, depending on your view), and the mayor of Jerusalem is (and was) Israeli. So isn't Trump just recognizing the reality on the ground? Why would Israel give up Jerusalem, especially due to its significance is Israeli Jews' national consciousness, even if there is pressure from outside bodies?

The OIC's decision regarding Palestine seems strange as well. If all of Jerusalem is supposed to be an international city, then how can East Jerusalem be the capital of Palestine? Maybe I am just a bit confused about the true reality of the situation. Nonetheless, a peace settlement with Palestine that takes Jerusalem would be very difficult, especially with the Likud in power. Many Israeli Prime Ministers and MK (and the Israeli national anthem) say that Jerusalem is the indivisible capital of Israel. While this certainly does not have any legal standing whatsoever, it does mean that peace would be very difficult if Israel were to relinquish control of Jerusalem.

That being said, I have heard talks of a new Intifada, and that would be devastating for Israelis and Palestinians alike.

[Kibbutz Unions]

Capitalism appropriates and exploits various marketable aspects of "exotic cultures" for the benefit of some white dudes.

You probably think that wearing an native american feathers cap on Halloween is part of this "cultural openness of Capitalism".

No, as someone who has done volunteer work on Indian reservations, I do not think that. I am a classical conservative, and I abhor unbridled capitalism's destruction of indigenous culture (as well as my own). I also do not try to simplify culture as music and food, which capitalism in the constant quest for new experiences to consume certainly loves. But recorded music and radio are what destroy local and folk music, and Marxism wants to technify the whole world and every sphere.

That's just not true.
"Recorded music", I assume you are talking about what Theodore Adorno called "Culture Industry" is used to maximize profit and is also a tool in the pacification of the population. A Socialist State would grant artists freedom to produce art free from the constraints of the profits of producers.

I mean, Stalinism and variants want to "technify" the world (in a way). Now ask youself: How many Socialists in the Western World actually support Stalinism? A very small minority.

You are attacking a strawman, a caricature, something that you think is Socialism/Marxism/whatever but actually isn't supported by the majority of the actual people that supposedly support that.

[Proctopeo]

Are you implying their is something wrong with wearing a feather cap during halloween?

Sorta like dressing up as Jesus. A bit in poor taste.

Being in poor taste doesn't make something wrong. Just misguided.

[The Parkus Empire]

No, as someone who has done volunteer work on Indian reservations, I do not think that. I am a classical conservative, and I abhor unbridled capitalism's destruction of indigenous culture (as well as my own). I also do not try to simplify culture as music and food, which capitalism in the constant quest for new experiences to consume certainly loves. But recorded music and radio are what destroy local and folk music, and Marxism wants to technify the whole world and every sphere.

That's just not true.
"Recorded music", I assume you are talking about what Theodore Adorno called "Culture Industry" is used to maximize profit and is also a tool in the pacification of the population. A Socialist State would grant artists freedom to produce art free from the constraints of the profits of producers.

I mean, Stalinism and variants want to "technify" the world (in a way). Now ask youself: How many Socialists in the Western World actually support Stalinism? A very small minority.

You are attacking a strawman, a caricature, something that you think is Socialism/Marxism/whatever but actually isn't supported by the majority of the actual people that supposedly support that.

I am attacking technification and internationalism, values which are innate to both Marxism and liberalism.

[Kibbutz Unions]

Capitalism appropriates and exploits various marketable aspects of "exotic cultures" for the benefit of some white dudes.

You probably think that wearing an native american feathers cap on Halloween is part of this "cultural openness of Capitalism".

What's wrong with the underlined?

Are you a Christian for example? Imagine that the world would have gone to a very different route: Europe was conquered by the Caliphate and Europe never became the center of colonialism.
Now, a dying breed, European Christians live in the modern world as a protected minority under an Islamic hegemonic culture. In a holiday celebrated by the Islamic settlers they dress up like Jesus, with the cross and all, and tell jokes about how funny this guy looks and how amusing is the crucification.

The feathers cap symbolized great honor to the native americans, seeing it mocked as a "funny indian hat" is extremely insensitive to their cultural heritage.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Are you implying their is something wrong with wearing a feather cap during halloween?

Sorta like dressing up as Jesus. A bit in poor taste.

Not really, you tend to dress up whoever you want to be during Halloween. I mean I'm not going to give a Indian kid a hard time for wearing a cowboy costume, so why should the native american costume not be ok?