Trump just recognized Jerusalem as Israel's Capital

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

How is that important?

you tell me, you were the one stating " and we're on native land"

Wrong. I was the one who said that.

And precisely which region of the world do you think I was referring to?

[The Etheri]

...More elite support for the fake nation of Israel.

I'm aware this is VERY old, it's just that...


If Israel is internationally recognized...doesn't that make it a real nation?

[Kibbutz Unions]

...More elite support for the fake nation of Israel.

I'm aware this is VERY old, it's just that...


If Israel is internationally recognized...doesn't that make it a real nation?

I really don't get the people that are in denial about that...
I mean even if you think Israel is terrible you must realize that it's a real country.

[The Etheri]

I'm aware this is VERY old, it's just that...


If Israel is internationally recognized...doesn't that make it a real nation?

I really don't get the people that are in denial about that...
I mean even if you think Israel is terrible you must realize that it's a real country.

Also, the definition of nation:
a large aggregate of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular country or territory.

Pretty much an exact description of Israel.

[Holy Tedalonia]

I'm aware this is VERY old, it's just that...


If Israel is internationally recognized...doesn't that make it a real nation?

I really don't get the people that are in denial about that...
I mean even if you think Israel is terrible you must realize that it's a real country.

Has just as much legitimacy as Sealand. Take that U.K.!

[Symir]

I really don't get the people that are in denial about that...
I mean even if you think Israel is terrible you must realize that it's a real country.

Has just as much legitimacy as Sealand. Take that U.K.!

Right, because the cultural aggregate that is Israel is the same as Sealand's. Good job.

[Kibbutz Unions]

I really don't get the people that are in denial about that...
I mean even if you think Israel is terrible you must realize that it's a real country.

Has just as much legitimacy as Sealand. Take that U.K.!

No. Just. No.

Israel was created as the gathering of one of the world's most oppressed ethnoreligious group (The Jews) and the creation of an apparatus to serve as a haven to that group and a body to represent them in front of the rest of the world's nations and political powers.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Has just as much legitimacy as Sealand. Take that U.K.!

No. Just. No.

Israel was created as the gathering of one of the world's most oppressed ethnoreligious group (The Jews) and the creation of an apparatus to serve as a haven to that group and a body to represent them in front of the rest of the world's nations and political powers.

Yet Sealand is recognized by many nations just like Isreal, and is runned by a feudal renting system. As of right now my Dad is a lord of Sealand.

[The Alma Mater]

No. Just. No.

Israel was created as the gathering of one of the world's most oppressed ethnoreligious group (The Jews) and the creation of an apparatus to serve as a haven to that group and a body to represent them in front of the rest of the world's nations and political powers.

Yet Sealand is recognized by many nations just like Isreal, and is runned by a feudal renting system. As of right now my Dad is a lord of Sealand.

"Zero" (or two if you accept Sealands own claim which the countries in question deny) is not "many".

[Kibbutz Unions]

No. Just. No.

Israel was created as the gathering of one of the world's most oppressed ethnoreligious group (The Jews) and the creation of an apparatus to serve as a haven to that group and a body to represent them in front of the rest of the world's nations and political powers.

Yet Sealand is recognized by many nations just like Isreal, and is runned by a feudal renting system. As of right now my Dad is a lord of Sealand.

Sealand wasn't recognized by any sovereign state.
What the f*** are you even talking about?

[Petrasylvania]

Again, you don't seem to have a great grasp on this issue. The state of Israel doesn't even claim the West Bank, and certainly not Gaza, as its land.

And on the second point, that's demonstrably false and a useless statement. You can easily name a whole lot of Muslim-majority places where non-Muslims are being treated better now and historically than Palestinians are. Just as you can name many where it's worse, and many Christian nations that oppressed both religious communities.

That's only because the Jews are being extra nice. They shouldn't have to.

So they should ethnically cleanse the Palestinians then?

[Washington Resistance Army]

That's only because the Jews are being extra nice. They shouldn't have to.

So they should ethnically cleanse the Palestinians then?

Many would claim they already are.

[The Parkus Empire]

This is one of Trump's dumbest moves, now he'll have the hatred of most of the world's muslim, even here in the States. More elite support for the fake nation of Israel.

How is Israel a fake nation?

[Petrasylvania]

So they should ethnically cleanse the Palestinians then?

Many would claim they already are.

And it's likely some claim they're not trying hard enough.

[Holy Tedalonia]

This is one of Trump's dumbest moves, now he'll have the hatred of most of the world's muslim, even here in the States. More elite support for the fake nation of Israel.

How is Israel a fake nation?

Denial that it's a nation?

[The Parkus Empire]

How is Israel a fake nation?

Denial that it's a nation?

How is it not?

[Holy Tedalonia]

Denial that it's a nation?

How is it not?

No plan denial. Perhaps they simply want to deny reality?

[Baltenstein]

Not true, when the issue sprung up it was during the time when britian owned it and were Jews were moving into the region. The palestines who feared their culture would die out with the massive immigrantion deciding resorting to less benevolent means.

Conflict didn't really start in the region until the Jews were granted half the territory while only being a majority in two cities, iirc. Frankly Israel never should have been become a thing, it would have made that part of the world quite a bit more peaceful.

The Jews have the right to their own country same as any other nation. Especially considering that the world didnt exactly leave them be prior to the foundation of Israel.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Conflict didn't really start in the region until the Jews were granted half the territory while only being a majority in two cities, iirc. Frankly Israel never should have been become a thing, it would have made that part of the world quite a bit more peaceful.

The Jews have the right to their own country same as any other nation. Especially considering that the world didnt exactly leave them be prior to the foundation of Israel.

Why? Are we also going to start carving out nations for every other group?

[The Parkus Empire]

The Jews have the right to their own country same as any other nation. Especially considering that the world didnt exactly leave them be prior to the foundation of Israel.

Why? Are we also going to start carving out nations for every other group?

We have done that for quite a few, certainly.

[Baltenstein]

The Jews have the right to their own country same as any other nation. Especially considering that the world didnt exactly leave them be prior to the foundation of Israel.

Why? Are we also going to start carving out nations for every other group?

I strongly support the principle of national self-determination. If an ethnic group inside a territory genuinely wants to split off and become their own thing, they should be allowed to do so.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Why? Are we also going to start carving out nations for every other group?

We have done that for quite a few, certainly.

There's a whole ton more we could be doing. Are we going to break up South Africa and create an Afrikaner nation? What about Burma and that one people group I can't remember the name? Natives in the US?

Why? Are we also going to start carving out nations for every other group?

I strongly support the principle of national self-determination. If an ethnic group inside a territory genuinely wants to split off and become their own thing, they should be allowed to do so.

Sure, but it wasn't really their territory. They were very much a minority yet they got half the territory iirc. Seems a bit silly imo.

[Holy Tedalonia]

We have done that for quite a few, certainly.

There's a whole ton more we could be doing. Are we going to break up South Africa and create an Afrikaner nation? What about Burma and that one people group I can't remember the name? Natives in the US?

I strongly support the principle of national self-determination. If an ethnic group inside a territory genuinely wants to split off and become their own thing, they should be allowed to do so.

Sure, but it wasn't really their territory. They were very much a minority yet they got half the territory iirc. Seems a bit silly imo.

We already did natives in the us. They're small territories for natives can be sovereign in as long as they're in view of papa America.

Also the Jews may not have been the majority, but they were pretty sizable group compared to most minority groups.

[Kibbutz Unions]

The Jews have the right to their own country same as any other nation. Especially considering that the world didnt exactly leave them be prior to the foundation of Israel.

Why? Are we also going to start carving out nations for every other group?

Every group that isn't protected by any nation has the right to.

The problem is that it is only countries that truly have the power to enforce human rights, so in reality if no nationstate seeks to defend a marginalized group's rights it is a predecessor to ethnic cleansing and genocide.
Look at what happens to the Rohingya now.

[The Parkus Empire]

We have done that for quite a few, certainly.

There's a whole ton more we could be doing. Are we going to break up South Africa and create an Afrikaner nation? What about Burma and that one people group I can't remember the name? Natives in the US?

I strongly support the principle of national self-determination. If an ethnic group inside a territory genuinely wants to split off and become their own thing, they should be allowed to do so.

Sure, but it wasn't really their territory. They were very much a minority yet they got half the territory iirc. Seems a bit silly imo.

Carving is done on a case by case basis.