Trump just recognized Jerusalem as Israel's Capital

[Bakery Hill]

How is that important?

you tell me, you were the one stating " and we're on native land"

No I wasn't?

[Donut section]

It's not military occupation when it's your land.

And it's a lot better than what the Jews (or anyone else for that matter) have got under Muslim rule.

Again, you don't seem to have a great grasp on this issue. The state of Israel doesn't even claim the West Bank, and certainly not Gaza, as its land.

And on the second point, that's demonstrably false and a useless statement. You can easily name a whole lot of Muslim-majority places where non-Muslims are being treated better now and historically than Palestinians are. Just as you can name many where it's worse, and many Christian nations that oppressed both religious communities.

That's only because the Jews are being extra nice. They shouldn't have to.

[The Knockout Gun Gals]

Again, you don't seem to have a great grasp on this issue. The state of Israel doesn't even claim the West Bank, and certainly not Gaza, as its land.

And on the second point, that's demonstrably false and a useless statement. You can easily name a whole lot of Muslim-majority places where non-Muslims are being treated better now and historically than Palestinians are. Just as you can name many where it's worse, and many Christian nations that oppressed both religious communities.

That's only because the Jews are being extra nice. They shouldn't have to.

>Jews
>Being extra nice

Something's not right here.

[Kash Island]

That's only because the Jews are being extra nice. They shouldn't have to.

>Jews
>Being extra nice

Something's not right here.

If Israel behaved with the vigor and goals like hamaz/hezoballah the Palestinians would have been long wiped out....

while terrible things have occured, they have showed incredible constraint.

[Bakery Hill]

Again, you don't seem to have a great grasp on this issue. The state of Israel doesn't even claim the West Bank, and certainly not Gaza, as its land.

And on the second point, that's demonstrably false and a useless statement. You can easily name a whole lot of Muslim-majority places where non-Muslims are being treated better now and historically than Palestinians are. Just as you can name many where it's worse, and many Christian nations that oppressed both religious communities.

That's only because the Jews are being extra nice. They shouldn't have to.

I thought you were a libertarian? Do you understand the most basic principles of ownership?

[Baltenstein]

It's not military occupation when it's your land.

And it's a lot better than what the Jews (or anyone else for that matter) have got under Muslim rule.

Again, you don't seem to have a great grasp on this issue. The state of Israel doesn't even claim the West Bank, and certainly not Gaza, as its land.

Not Gaza, but the Israeli state is slowly but steadily claiming parts of the West Bank with its settlement policy. The general idea seems to be that as long as no independent Palestine exists, they are not technically invading a foreign country, and that the settlements will eventually end up as official Israeli territory as part of any future two state solution deal.

[Dumb Ideologies]

I thought I responded to this, but guess it was in the Trump thread or something.

I don't think the policy is wrong.

Some people will be upset that the most free and pluralistic nation in the Middle East has had the status of its capital recognised, but sometimes you gotta take the jimmies and Jerustle'em.

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

Can't Trump just recognise west Jerusalem as Israel's capital? Rather than recognising an Israel-controlled area of Palestine (according to international law) as part of Israel's capital and thus sparking more Israeli/Palestinian violence?

[Valrifell]

Can't Trump just recognise west Jerusalem as Israel's capital? Rather than recognising an Israel-controlled area of Palestine (according to international law) as part of Israel's capital and thus sparking more Israeli/Palestinian violence?

Ah, the Russian Solution as I call it. No, that'd make far too much sense.

[Sovaal]

Can't Trump just recognise west Jerusalem as Israel's capital? Rather than recognising an Israel-controlled area of Palestine (according to international law) as part of Israel's capital and thus sparking more Israeli/Palestinian violence?

I mean I doubt that would be any better in the long run.

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

Can't Trump just recognise west Jerusalem as Israel's capital? Rather than recognising an Israel-controlled area of Palestine (according to international law) as part of Israel's capital and thus sparking more Israeli/Palestinian violence?

Ah, the Russian Solution as I call it. No, that'd make far too much sense.

And Russia and China have similar positions to me on this (one of the very few areas in which I agree with Putin or Xi Jinping) ... ILLUMINATI CONFIRMED

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

Can't Trump just recognise west Jerusalem as Israel's capital? Rather than recognising an Israel-controlled area of Palestine (according to international law) as part of Israel's capital and thus sparking more Israeli/Palestinian violence?

I mean I doubt that would be any better in the long run.

How?

[Sovaal]

I mean I doubt that would be any better in the long run.

How?

Because that's just ignoring the problem already present and far more relevant to the situation. I mean the Palestinians don't hate the Israelis just for them taking Jerusalem, they hate them for even being in the Holy Land at all.

[Sovaal]

Because that's just ignoring the problem already present and far more relevant to the situation. I mean the Palestinians don't hate the Israelis just for them taking Jerusalem, they hate them for even being in the Holy Land at all.

Let's just make Switzerland The Holy Land.

Only if I can make pilgrimages for their rifles and chocolate.

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

How?

Because that's just ignoring the problem already present and far more relevant to the situation. I mean the Palestinians don't hate the Israelis just for them taking Jerusalem, they hate them for even being in the Holy Land at all.

IMO the two-state solution is best as it at least only leaves both sides mildly unhappy.

[Holy Tedalonia]

How?

Because that's just ignoring the problem already present and far more relevant to the situation. I mean the Palestinians don't hate the Israelis just for them taking Jerusalem, they hate them for even being in the Holy Land at all.

Not true, when the issue sprung up it was during the time when britian owned it and were Jews were moving into the region. The palestines who feared their culture would die out with the massive immigrantion deciding resorting to less benevolent means.

[Sovaal]

Because that's just ignoring the problem already present and far more relevant to the situation. I mean the Palestinians don't hate the Israelis just for them taking Jerusalem, they hate them for even being in the Holy Land at all.

IMO the two-state solution is best as it at least only leaves both sides mildly unhappy.

And it's unlikely to happen. I mean this is the kinda shit that has to be enforced by an occupying, impartial power, which I don't trust to any nation in the ME.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Because that's just ignoring the problem already present and far more relevant to the situation. I mean the Palestinians don't hate the Israelis just for them taking Jerusalem, they hate them for even being in the Holy Land at all.

IMO the two-state solution is best as it at least only leaves both sides mildly unhappy.

The two state solution will never work. Israel is going to keep expanding into Palestinian territory and walling them off and more than a small amount of Palestinians want Israel to cease to exist as a concept. There's never really going to be peace between them.

[Sovaal]

Because that's just ignoring the problem already present and far more relevant to the situation. I mean the Palestinians don't hate the Israelis just for them taking Jerusalem, they hate them for even being in the Holy Land at all.

Not true, when the issue sprung up it was during the time when britian owned it and were Jews were moving into the region. The palestines who feared their culture would die out with the massive immigrantion deciding resorting to less benevolent means.

I mean the Palestinians don't hate the Israelis just for them taking Jerusalem, they hate them for even being in the Holy Land at all.

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

Not true, when the issue sprung up it was during the time when britian owned it and were Jews were moving into the region. The palestines who feared their culture would die out with the massive immigrantion deciding resorting to less benevolent means.

I mean the Palestinians don't hate the Israelis just for them taking Jerusalem, they hate them for even being in the Holy Land at all.

Well, Trump shouldn't go around doing things that will escalate the situation

[Washington Resistance Army]

Because that's just ignoring the problem already present and far more relevant to the situation. I mean the Palestinians don't hate the Israelis just for them taking Jerusalem, they hate them for even being in the Holy Land at all.

Not true, when the issue sprung up it was during the time when britian owned it and were Jews were moving into the region. The palestines who feared their culture would die out with the massive immigrantion deciding resorting to less benevolent means.

Conflict didn't really start in the region until the Jews were granted half the territory while only being a majority in two cities, iirc. Frankly Israel never should have been become a thing, it would have made that part of the world quite a bit more peaceful.

[Sovaal]

Well, Trump shouldn't go around doing things that will escalate the situation

No, he shouldn't, but him doing that is escalating the situation the same way adding a bottle of turpentine to an oil rig fire does.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Not true, when the issue sprung up it was during the time when britian owned it and were Jews were moving into the region. The palestines who feared their culture would die out with the massive immigrantion deciding resorting to less benevolent means.

Conflict didn't really start in the region until the Jews were granted half the territory while only being a majority in two cities, iirc. Frankly Israel never should have been become a thing, it would have made that part of the world quite a bit more peaceful.

Not true, their were a couple terrorists attacks during britians control of the area. Both sides hated eachother. Britian not sure what to do gave the issue to the UN who splitted the territory. Conflict begun, and stuff went out of control. Also to be fair, the reason why the territory started all jigsaw puzzle like was due to them trying to avoid letting a majority in a county/(whatever they call it over there) being on the wrong side of the two nations.

My opinion on the matter was the nation shouldn't have been splitted.

[Kibbutz Unions]

It is military occupation when a military apparatus controls an area without providing civil rights to the people under its' control.
If we annexed it and gave the Palestinians the right to vote I'd say that yeah, it's not occupation (Although I believe that any solution but a two-states solution will not work). However my government wants to keep them as right-less subjects for all eternity, quite frankly.

And here's the thing: It doesn't matter how well Jews were under Muslim rule. Do you really believe in such a retributionist stance against people who either were very young or weren't even born back at the time Jews were oppressed under Muslim rule to suffer the consequences of the actions of other people from another time?

And yeah, us the Jews have had quite the history in Judea and Samaria, it was indeed our land. So? What about it? Does it give us the authority to mistreat people who live there now?

It's extremists like you that push my country to develop its' entire apparatus and existence around preserving the occupation of Judea and Samaria instead of pushing for co-existence and peace. Those quasi-justifications fuel Netanyahu and the rest of the fanatics in this awful government.

So you want to give rights to foreign invaders.

The two state solution was successful. Palestine was split into Jordan and Israel.

In what way are they foreign invaders??

[Proctopeo]

How?

Because that's just ignoring the problem already present and far more relevant to the situation. I mean the Palestinians don't hate the Israelis just for them taking Jerusalem, they hate them for even being in the Holy Land at all.

And, in some cases, for existing. Reminds me of a certain angry mustache model.