Trump just recognized Jerusalem as Israel's Capital

[Omakhandia]

FDR, Obama, Reagan, Clinton, Hitler.

Yeah, I'm gonna stop this debate...

So you can not debunk it either, however I got more proof for your eyes such as A forum, however if you do not think a forum has the correct answers like on here meaning that no one can be fully correct. However, here is another link supporting this view from a writer of a book. Meaning you can claiming to debunk something using the same source, however thing is... there are more sources then just one backing this up. While there is only like one or two links disproving it with majority not even stating his nationality besides being born in Georgia.

"I have proof."

*Links to a forum*

[Donut section]

This whole situation is stupid the two states solution was accomplished with the foundation of Jordan. There is no such thing as Palestine. There is Israel and Jordan. You can choose to live under Israeli or Arab rule. Jordanian people living in Israel as "Palestinians" are illegally living on Israeli land.

The law in Israel doesn't even say that, that's a pretty cooked take.

Eh when I was listening to how this all happened in Wikipedia and other places the original area was split in two with one half becoming Jordan.

[Longweather]

It's a bit different in that the Government of the Grand National Assembly, one of the parties involved in the genocide, eventually transitioned to a proper Republic of Turkey. Igrun, while a terrorist organization, didn't have a similar relation with the Provisional State Council or the Knesset.

No Irgun just ended up getting integrated into the IDF, while it's last leader founded the current ruling party and became Israel's Prime Minister.

Irgun became Herut which eventually merged with other parties to form Likud. Haganah formed the core of the IDF. Herut and Likud have been a part of the ruling coalitions of Israel on and off since the late sixties and is in power now. However, that's still significantly different than being the revolutionary governmental body that committed atrocities and became the government of a new state. Unless Irgun/Herut formed/controlled the Provisional State Council which became the Knesset, the comparison is trash. There are definitely people in the Israeli government associated with Irgun's terrorist activities, at least by being a part of Likud, but that's a far cry from being able to justifiably say that the entire Israeli government is responsible for those terror attacks.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

Jerusalem was always Israel's capital, and I find it more sadistic to carve up a sovereign nation to appease it's neighbors than to cause a "diplomatic crisis".

And you should probably place this in the Trump thread just to be safe to be honest.

Israel carved up Palestine, not the other way around.

And we're on Native land.

[Kash Island]

Israel carved up Palestine, not the other way around.

And we're on Native land.

"native land"

even though jews have populated that region before anyone heard the name Muhammed...

[The Libertarian States of Friedman]

Support it all the way. Palestine is a terrorist state>

[Minoa]

We have a local example where Kingston-upon-Thames is the administrative seat for two local authorities, the Royal Borough of Kingston upon Thames (since 1965) and Surrey County Council (since 1893).

This is relevant because it is in my opinion that with appropriate negotiations in line with the internationally recognised agreements, Jerusalem can be the capital for both Israel and Palestine.

[Petrasylvania]

We have a local example where Kingston-upon-Thames is the administrative seat for two local authorities, the Royal Borough of Kingston upon Thames (since 1965) and Surrey County Council (since 1893).

This is relevant because it is in my opinion that with appropriate negotiations in line with the internationally recognised agreements, Jerusalem can be the capital for both Israel and Palestine.

An optimistic pipe dream. Israel will do just about anything to claim Jerusalem for itself and kick the Dirty Palestinians out of the whole region.

On a side note, the moron who tried to suicide bomb the New York subway and failed claimed what Trump just did as justification for his debacle of a terror attack.

[The Alma Mater]

President Erdogan of Turkey has now declared he wishes to open an embassy for Palestine in eastern Jerusalem,since that is the countries capital.

We are anxiously waiting to see of Jews will now start smashing up kebab stores in response

[Baltenstein]

President Erdogan of Turkey has now declared he wishes to open an embassy for Palestine in eastern Jerusalem,since that is the countries capital.

We are anxiously waiting to see of Jews will now start smashing up kebab stores in response

Turkish business with the "mass-murderous Zionist regime" will of course continue as usual.

[Kibbutz Unions]

Here are my two cents:
The declarations, for good and for bad, is completely useless.
Literally nothing happened, the embassy hasn't moved, no new form of recognition was formed, after all the congress already recognized Jerusalem as Israel's capital 20 years ago so this declaration merely states that Trump himself, personally, considers Jerusalem as such.
The declaration never described what are the borders of Jerusalem, and even Pence's visit to Jerusalem is going to be described as "a personal visit". Literally nothing changed.

Although the Netanyahu government wants to present it as a "Historical Declaration" it is only propaganda to divert attention from the corruption investigations against him and other major figures in the government (Such as Bitan).
And that's the same with Palestinians who think (Or otherwise, want others to think that) this is an attack on Islam: this declaration does nothing, changes nothing, and is merely a nuisance because it can only be used as a propaganda tool by the most nationalist, most aggressive factions in the conflict.
This environment here (I am an Israeli) is beginning to show some similarities to 2014 prior to the widespread West Bank operation and later war in Gaza, and this worries me.

[Herzegovenia]

Gooood... GOOOOOD.... Sew MORE chaos!

[Kibbutz Unions]

This whole situation is stupid the two states solution was accomplished with the foundation of Jordan. There is no such thing as Palestine. There is Israel and Jordan. You can choose to live under Israeli or Arab rule. Jordanian people living in Israel as "Palestinians" are illegally living on Israeli land.

So you, with your gracious authority, will allow them to choose between living under an eternal (and holy, let's not forget) military occupation or to leave where their families lived in for hundreds of years and move to live under a British-established monarchy from Hejaz that refuses to accept them as citizens? How kind of you.

[Donut section]

This whole situation is stupid the two states solution was accomplished with the foundation of Jordan. There is no such thing as Palestine. There is Israel and Jordan. You can choose to live under Israeli or Arab rule. Jordanian people living in Israel as "Palestinians" are illegally living on Israeli land.

So you, with your gracious authority, will allow them to choose between living under an eternal (and holy, let's not forget) military occupation or to leave where their families lived in for hundreds of years and move to live under a British-established monarchy from Hejaz that refuses to accept them as citizens? How kind of you.

It's not military occupation when it's your land.

And it's a lot better than what the Jews (or anyone else for that matter) have got under Muslim rule.

[Longweather]

I still can't be too mad at this since at least half of Jerusalem is rightful Israeli clay and is the place their government is actually located.

[Kibbutz Unions]

So you, with your gracious authority, will allow them to choose between living under an eternal (and holy, let's not forget) military occupation or to leave where their families lived in for hundreds of years and move to live under a British-established monarchy from Hejaz that refuses to accept them as citizens? How kind of you.

It's not military occupation when it's your land.

And it's a lot better than what the Jews (or anyone else for that matter) have got under Muslim rule.

It is military occupation when a military apparatus controls an area without providing civil rights to the people under its' control.
If we annexed it and gave the Palestinians the right to vote I'd say that yeah, it's not occupation (Although I believe that any solution but a two-states solution will not work). However my government wants to keep them as right-less subjects for all eternity, quite frankly.

And here's the thing: It doesn't matter how well Jews were under Muslim rule. Do you really believe in such a retributionist stance against people who either were very young or weren't even born back at the time Jews were oppressed under Muslim rule to suffer the consequences of the actions of other people from another time?

And yeah, us the Jews have had quite the history in Judea and Samaria, it was indeed our land. So? What about it? Does it give us the authority to mistreat people who live there now?

It's extremists like you that push my country to develop its' entire apparatus and existence around preserving the occupation of Judea and Samaria instead of pushing for co-existence and peace. Those quasi-justifications fuel Netanyahu and the rest of the fanatics in this awful government.

[The Knockout Gun Gals]

President Erdogan of Turkey has now declared he wishes to open an embassy for Palestine in eastern Jerusalem,since that is the countries capital.

We are anxiously waiting to see of Jews will now start smashing up kebab stores in response

Just kebab stores?

[Donut section]

It's not military occupation when it's your land.

And it's a lot better than what the Jews (or anyone else for that matter) have got under Muslim rule.

It is military occupation when a military apparatus controls an area without providing civil rights to the people under its' control.
If we annexed it and gave the Palestinians the right to vote I'd say that yeah, it's not occupation (Although I believe that any solution but a two-states solution will not work). However my government wants to keep them as right-less subjects for all eternity, quite frankly.

And here's the thing: It doesn't matter how well Jews were under Muslim rule. Do you really believe in such a retributionist stance against people who either were very young or weren't even born back at the time Jews were oppressed under Muslim rule to suffer the consequences of the actions of other people from another time?

And yeah, us the Jews have had quite the history in Judea and Samaria, it was indeed our land. So? What about it? Does it give us the authority to mistreat people who live there now?

It's extremists like you that push my country to develop its' entire apparatus and existence around preserving the occupation of Judea and Samaria instead of pushing for co-existence and peace. Those quasi-justifications fuel Netanyahu and the rest of the fanatics in this awful government.

So you want to give rights to foreign invaders.

The two state solution was successful. Palestine was split into Jordan and Israel.

[Zanera]

Gooood... GOOOOOD.... Sew MORE chaos!

You thinkin' what I'm thinkin'?

[The Knockout Gun Gals]

Gooood... GOOOOOD.... Sew MORE chaos!

You thinkin' what I'm thinkin'?

Oh, come on.

[Bakery Hill]

It is military occupation when a military apparatus controls an area without providing civil rights to the people under its' control.
If we annexed it and gave the Palestinians the right to vote I'd say that yeah, it's not occupation (Although I believe that any solution but a two-states solution will not work). However my government wants to keep them as right-less subjects for all eternity, quite frankly.

And here's the thing: It doesn't matter how well Jews were under Muslim rule. Do you really believe in such a retributionist stance against people who either were very young or weren't even born back at the time Jews were oppressed under Muslim rule to suffer the consequences of the actions of other people from another time?

And yeah, us the Jews have had quite the history in Judea and Samaria, it was indeed our land. So? What about it? Does it give us the authority to mistreat people who live there now?

It's extremists like you that push my country to develop its' entire apparatus and existence around preserving the occupation of Judea and Samaria instead of pushing for co-existence and peace. Those quasi-justifications fuel Netanyahu and the rest of the fanatics in this awful government.

So you want to give rights to foreign invaders.

The two state solution was successful. Palestine was split into Jordan and Israel.

You know you're a next level invader when you can invade a place your family has lived on for generations.

[Bakery Hill]

The law in Israel doesn't even say that, that's a pretty cooked take.

Eh when I was listening to how this all happened in Wikipedia and other places the original area was split in two with one half becoming Jordan.

No, that's not what happened. You should probably do some more reading.

[Bakery Hill]

And we're on Native land.

"native land"

even though jews have populated that region before anyone heard the name Muhammed...

How is that important?

[Kash Island]

"native land"

even though jews have populated that region before anyone heard the name Muhammed...

How is that important?

you tell me, you were the one stating " and we're on native land"

[Bakery Hill]

So you, with your gracious authority, will allow them to choose between living under an eternal (and holy, let's not forget) military occupation or to leave where their families lived in for hundreds of years and move to live under a British-established monarchy from Hejaz that refuses to accept them as citizens? How kind of you.

It's not military occupation when it's your land.

And it's a lot better than what the Jews (or anyone else for that matter) have got under Muslim rule.

Again, you don't seem to have a great grasp on this issue. The state of Israel doesn't even claim the West Bank, and certainly not Gaza, as its land.

And on the second point, that's demonstrably false and a useless statement. You can easily name a whole lot of Muslim-majority places where non-Muslims are being treated better now and historically than Palestinians are. Just as you can name many where it's worse, and many Christian nations that oppressed both religious communities.