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Do you approve or disapprove of this action?

Approve(Like Israel)
193
31%
Approve(Dislike Israel)
21
3%
Approve(Neutral)
42
7%
Unsure(Like Israel)
25
4%
Unsure(Dislike Israel)
14
2%
Unsure(Neutral on Israel)
44
7%
Disapprove(Like Israel)
70
11%
Disapprove(Hate Israel)
94
15%
Disapprove(Neutral on Israel)
125
20%
 
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Postby Painisia » Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:37 am

Jerusalem should have been an international city controlled by the UN. All the 3 major religions in the world views Jerusalem as important and it would not be unfair for both parts if it was controlled by an international regime.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:52 am

Minoa wrote:Right now I am not advocating anything beyond the peace process due to the delicate situation that requires careful negotiation: the last thing I want to do is back something that would end up causing conflict to break out, because that would only end in regret and tears.

Basically Trump and Netanyahu both in effect declared "Fuck the Peace Process, we need to kick those dirty sand niggers out of Greater Israel."
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Postby Wysten » Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:55 am

Petrasylvania wrote:
Minoa wrote:Right now I am not advocating anything beyond the peace process due to the delicate situation that requires careful negotiation: the last thing I want to do is back something that would end up causing conflict to break out, because that would only end in regret and tears.

Basically Trump and Netanyahu both in effect declared "Fuck the Peace Process, we need to kick those dirty sand niggers out of Greater Israel."

Totally thats why both Trump and Net were both in office in 1995.
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Postby Sovaal » Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:05 pm

Wysten wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:Basically Trump and Netanyahu both in effect declared "Fuck the Peace Process, we need to kick those dirty sand niggers out of Greater Israel."

Totally thats why both Trump and Net were both in office in 1995.

Yah man, great conspiracy to commit the second holocaust and what not in the ME. :roll:

I mean this isn't what has caused a great deal of hatred in the ME people.
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Postby Kash Island » Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:56 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
Minoa wrote:Right now I am not advocating anything beyond the peace process due to the delicate situation that requires careful negotiation: the last thing I want to do is back something that would end up causing conflict to break out, because that would only end in regret and tears.

Basically Trump and Netanyahu both in effect declared "Fuck the Peace Process, we need to kick those dirty sand niggers out of Greater Israel."



Wow...

All i want to say about that crazy statement.
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Postby The of Japan » Fri Dec 08, 2017 1:31 pm

Deian salazar wrote:An Emergency UN meeting is taking place, this is clearly a diplomatic crisis to any who were doubtful.

So? The US is a permanent member of UN Security Council
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Postby Wysten » Fri Dec 08, 2017 1:31 pm

Deian salazar wrote:An Emergency UN meeting is taking place, this is clearly a diplomatic crisis to any who were doubtful.

Isn't this the same UN that has repeatedly bash Israel?
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Fri Dec 08, 2017 1:33 pm

Wysten wrote:
Deian salazar wrote:An Emergency UN meeting is taking place, this is clearly a diplomatic crisis to any who were doubtful.

Isn't this the same UN that has repeatedly bash Israel?

No, League of Nations were the o- never mind UN it is :p
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Fri Dec 08, 2017 1:45 pm

Deian salazar wrote:
Wysten wrote:Isn't this the same UN that has repeatedly bash Israel?

Well Israel has acted out of hand.
Your bias is showing.
Also I'm neutral-Israel in it's actions/government type despite disliking the regime and it's war crimes, but I like the people and the nation and support a 2-state solution.


“War crimes”

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Postby Sordanifan » Fri Dec 08, 2017 1:48 pm

Anyone notice it says "Jeruslam" and not "Jerusalem" ?

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Postby Wysten » Fri Dec 08, 2017 1:48 pm

Sordanifan wrote:Anyone notice it says "Jeruslam" and not "Jerusalem" ?

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Oh shit I just noticed that
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Fri Dec 08, 2017 1:55 pm

Deian salazar wrote:
Wysten wrote:Isn't this the same UN that has repeatedly bash Israel?

Well Israel has acted out of hand.
Your bias is showing.
Also I'm neutral-Israel in it's actions/government type despite disliking the regime and it's war crimes, but I like the people and the nation and support a 2-state solution.

How is it a regime?
What is its alleged war crimes?
2-state solution is a impossibility. Palestine won't quit until it has all of it's de-jure land.
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Postby Sovaal » Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:19 pm

Deian salazar wrote:An Emergency UN meeting is taking place, this is clearly a diplomatic crisis to any who were doubtful.

An Israeli soldier sneezing is a diplomatic crisis.

But n seriously any crisis in the ME is a diplomatic crisis.
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Postby Luziyca » Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:19 pm

Honestly, I think that this action will only make the situation in Israel-Palestine much worse, and it may have pretty much all but extinguished any chance for a peace settlement in our lifetime.

At this point, I feel the only way that peace could theoretically come to the region is if either aliens invade and attempt to genocide all of humanity, or if some major power has enough of Israel and Palestine's shit and threatens to nuke the area unless they make a peace agreement.
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Postby The Great-German Empire » Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:45 pm

Deian salazar wrote:Well Israel has acted out of hand.
Your bias is showing.
Also I'm neutral-Israel in it's actions/government type despite disliking the regime and it's war crimes, but I like the people and the nation and support a 2-state solution.


Israel had controlled Jerusalem since the Six-Day War, where it received it into military occupation from Jordan after a ceasefire. Jordan had since ceded its ownership of all of the West Bank to a (Read: nonexistent) "future Palestinian State", which effectively placed all of the West Bank under full Israeli control, which, I admit, the Israelis have mismanaged. The fact that Israel even consented to the creation of a Palestinian government on their territory is very generous of them. It's also the right thing to do; but that was literally nobody's business but Israel's. Israel allowed for the Palestinians to have most of the West Bank; but NOT Jerusalem. It was their choice and should be treated as such.
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Postby The Confederacy of Nationalism » Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:50 pm

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Deian salazar wrote:Well Israel has acted out of hand.
Your bias is showing.
Also I'm neutral-Israel in it's actions/government type despite disliking the regime and it's war crimes, but I like the people and the nation and support a 2-state solution.


“War crimes”

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Postby The Great-German Empire » Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:58 pm

Deian salazar wrote:It actually exists. The USA doesn't need to recognize it for it to exist, nor the west.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_the_State_of_Palestine
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I'm not saying it doesn't exist, I'm saying that it only exists because Israel allows it to. I'm not brainwashed, I am talking about plain and common sense: If you conquered something and nobody went to war with you to take it, it's yours. The same way in the Cold War, Western Allies would "not recognize" that the USSR owned Lithuania-Latvia-Estonia, but there they were, under civil administration as SSRs. Now we don't recognize that Crimea is owned by the Russians, but it is: Again, already under civil administration, and their children go to Russian olympiad contests. And the PRC along with most countries in the world do not recognize Taiwan, but clearly it exists and is de facto independent from China since China dares not set foot on it, and because even the nations that don't recognize Taiwan still have informal diplomatic channels. International recognition means nothing except for economic challenges.

Both sides have a CLAIM to Jerusalem. But Israel is the sole political, economic and military controller. It can do whatever it wants to it.
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Postby The Ides of March » Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:06 pm

Both countries have the right to exist. If both countries want the same city as their capital then they can go all Solomonic on it and divide it (as it already is divided). I can't see why the Palestinians are so furious about which Israeli city the Israelis want as their capital, besides idiotic and anachronistic claims.

Bad diplomatic move on the US president's side though. Nevertheless, it's better to pick sides than pretend to be a friend to all people.
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Postby The Knockout Gun Gals » Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:06 pm

I'm very surprised to see the poll favors the Approvals and the Likes for Israel.

Luziyca wrote:Honestly, I think that this action will only make the situation in Israel-Palestine much worse, and it may have pretty much all but extinguished any chance for a peace settlement in our lifetime.

At this point, I feel the only way that peace could theoretically come to the region is if either aliens invade and attempt to genocide all of humanity, or if some major power has enough of Israel and Palestine's shit and threatens to nuke the area unless they make a peace agreement.


Well, no major power so far.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:07 pm

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Deian salazar wrote:Well Israel has acted out of hand.
Your bias is showing.
Also I'm neutral-Israel in it's actions/government type despite disliking the regime and it's war crimes, but I like the people and the nation and support a 2-state solution.


“War crimes”

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Postby Wysten » Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:10 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
G-Tech Corporation wrote:
“War crimes”

:roll:

Sorry
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How the hell do you slip those up?
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Postby Nancivania » Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:11 pm

Jerusalem is Israel's capital, if undemocratic, authoritarian, Islamic governments find that offensive then so be it. There's practically a 0% chance that this crisis will devolve into conflict, and if it does, then Israel will win
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:12 pm

Wysten wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Sorry
Crimes against Humanity.
Common slip up

How the hell do you slip those up?

They are both horrible things governments should be punished for
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Postby Wysten » Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:14 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Wysten wrote:How the hell do you slip those up?

They are both horrible things governments should be punished for

No not really in terms of definition war crime happens during a conflict a crime against humanity can happen in both peaceful and war time.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:18 pm

Wysten wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:They are both horrible things governments should be punished for

No not really in terms of definition war crime happens during a conflict a crime against humanity can happen in both peaceful and war time.

Yeah, but the military or armed force can be involved, so it's a rather reasonable one.
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