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Postby Kennlind » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:52 pm

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United Muscovite Nations wrote:Jews and Christians in the Holy Land aren't very good friends either.

Do you mean to say that good C-c-chirstians are oppressed by Israel too??

No they're not.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:52 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
Deian salazar wrote:As a Christian I'm recognizing it as a possibility, but I'm not judging my political stance on it. If it ends up being true then great!
If not, then he just f*cked up.

You're hoping Trump flipped on the Bat Signal for Jesus. Wonderful.

That’s where a lot American support for Israel seems to go is to the hope they’ll get Jesus on the line to bring on the end of days.
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Postby The Scarlet Eagle » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:52 pm

He made a good move. Israel deserves to exist, If Muslims are not happy, well tough shit!

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Postby Gig em Aggies » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:53 pm

Deian salazar wrote:
Cyrothica wrote:You didn't show any demographics. You just said "arabs were the majority except jaffa" without posting any statistics, granted neither did I, but the flag issue can be solved with a simple google search.

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Postby MERIZoC » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:53 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
MERIZoC wrote:Do you mean to say that good C-c-chirstians are oppressed by Israel too??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHO77XX-hiE

lmao that owns
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Postby The Alma Mater » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:53 pm

The Scarlet Eagle wrote:He made a good move. Israel deserves to exist,


Jesus disagrees.
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Postby Gagium » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:53 pm

Deian salazar wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/06/world/middleeast/trump-jerusalem-israel-capital.html
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-jerusalem-israel-capital-turkey-organization-islamic-cooperation/

Yup. Trump did it. The madman did it. He's caused another unnecessary crisis, just like Yemen and Qatar.
Yes I am aware of the argument for doing it, but this will cause another diplomatic crisis even if they stay our allies, it will strain ties further.
I personally think one of 4 things will happen:

1: Diplomatic crisis that makes USA be seen as enemy of Islam by many people but still an ally of many Muslim governments.(Most likely)
2: Cause a holy war(Extremely unlikely but possible if things get bad enough. Not impossible, but quite implausible.).
3: Many Muslim states cut off all ties with USA(Still pretty unlikely but more likely than the Holy War.)
4: Some Muslim states limit access to oil and use that as leverage(Unsure of this, it is a major Saud money-maker and they may be quite hesitant to do it, but it's not impossible realistically. Could still happen. Slightly but not much more likely than the Holy War.)
Either way, this is going to cause issue with the Israel-Palestinian peace process, in my personal opinion and result in another unneeded crisis, even if you support Israel strongly, you gotta agree this is another headache not worth creating.
To me he f*cked up, I'd have said this of any President, whether I liked Muslims or not this is strategically a poor move.

"The madman did it.." I suppose expressing your anger and personal political opinion of trump is also 'unnecessary', just as you called the 'crisis'. I can't take any of your options 2,3, or 4 seriously whatsoever, and even so your option 1 is unrealistic, making the "USA been seen as (an?) enemy of Islam by many people". Whatsoever, I find it ridiculous that you list 3 highly unrealistic options yet do not list any that would be in favor, such as it being blown off and nothing happening. Much much more realistic than options 2, 3, AND 4.
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Postby Deian salazar » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:53 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:
Kennlind wrote:No. If any other country did this nobody care, but there's a problem because Israel is the JEWISH state.


Technically Judaism, Christianity and Islam all agree that Israel is the Jewish state only AFTER the messiah has led the Jews there.

Shhh. Politics, no one follows their religion politically but the Muslims. Not even saying that's a good(or bad) thing.

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Postby The of Japan » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:53 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:
The Scarlet Eagle wrote:He made a good move. Israel deserves to exist,


Jesus disagrees.

Source?
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Postby Liriena » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:53 pm

Nothing like adding just a little bit more fuel to the Israeli dumpster fire and squandering whatever good faith the United States had with Israel's opponents for no apparent reason beyond being a bumbling idiot.

Yeah, this was a bad move.
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Postby The Conez Imperium » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:53 pm

Deian salazar wrote:
Cyrothica wrote:You didn't show any demographics. You just said "arabs were the majority except jaffa" without posting any statistics, granted neither did I, but the flag issue can be solved with a simple google search.

A commie flag doesn't mean you are Commie.
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More facist than communist? I would like to hear that explanation.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:53 pm

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Why did the partition plan of 1948 be rejected by the Palestinians?

Because it gave Israel massive amounts of territory that were majority Arab.
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Postby The of Japan » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:54 pm

Liriena wrote:Nothing like adding just a little bit more fuel to the Israeli dumpster fire and squandering whatever good faith the United States had with Israel's opponents for no apparent reason beyond being a bumbling idiot.

Yeah, this was a bad move.

What about west Jerusalem?
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Postby Liriena » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:54 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
The of Japan wrote:Why did the partition plan of 1948 be rejected by the Palestinians?

Because it gave Israel massive amounts of territory that were majority Arab.

It's almost as if people don't like real ethnic displacement.
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Postby MERIZoC » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:54 pm

Kennlind wrote:
MERIZoC wrote:Do you mean to say that good C-c-chirstians are oppressed by Israel too??

No they're not.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/06/palestinian-christians-burn-trump-posters-in-bethlehem-in-fury-over-embassy/

Shit I wonder why they're doing this then
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:54 pm

Deian salazar wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:1. I don't get the outrage? Isn't Jeruslam Israel capital?

2.Why is this not in the Trump thread?

1: Not officially. Edit: Though now it is officially to the USA. But no other nation has recognized it as that as the Muslims don't want it to be seen that way.

Um no the US is not the only nation to recognize it. The Czech Republic was the first to do so
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:55 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:
The Scarlet Eagle wrote:He made a good move. Israel deserves to exist,


Jesus disagrees.

How so?
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Postby The of Japan » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:55 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
The of Japan wrote:Why did the partition plan of 1948 be rejected by the Palestinians?

Because it gave Israel massive amounts of territory that were majority Arab.

Over half the population and half the land went to the Arabs, including Jaffa. A large amount of Jewish land was the very low populated Negev.
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Postby Ors Might » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:55 pm

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Ors Might wrote:That’s ridiculous. The Israel-Palestine conflict was a clusterfuck long before Trump. In what way does this particular screw up in anyway hint at supporting ethnic cleansing. You’d have to be actively assuming the worst to come near that conclusion.


You mean "be a realist with a basic understanding of human nature" ?

Tfw when it’s realism to assume a stupid move is actually the secret support of genocide

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Palestinian Christians. They take the side of Islamists.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:55 pm

Trumptonium wrote:Good.

Though the 3 sites (Holy Sepulchre, Dome and Wailing Wall) should become governed by the UN with free access to everybody.

But Jerusalem is and should remain Israel's capital, recognised by all.

Anything that pisses off the Islamic world is just a bonus, and anything that enrages European & American Muslims to rage and riot is politically beneficial.

Id say the Old city should be under UN governance
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Postby The Alma Mater » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:55 pm

The of Japan wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
Jesus disagrees.

Source?


The Bible. Perhaps you should read it, specifically the Torah parts about Israel and when exactly the Jews are allowed to go there.
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Postby Deian salazar » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:56 pm

The Conez Imperium wrote:
Deian salazar wrote:A commie flag doesn't mean you are Commie.
China is more Fascist than Communist now, debatably, but with Communist propaganda.
I dislike both ideologies so fml.


More facist than communist? I would like to hear that explanation.

This is the best explanation:
Gig em Aggies wrote:
Deian salazar wrote:A commie flag doesn't mean you are Commie.
China is more Fascist than Communist now, debatably, but with Communist propaganda.
I dislike both ideologies so fml.

I would say their a mix of capitalism and totalitarianism with a dash of communism

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Postby The of Japan » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:56 pm

Kennlind wrote:

Palestinian Christians. They take the side of Islamists.

Which they should form their own organizations that are not rooted in Islam
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:56 pm

Kennlind wrote:
MERIZoC wrote:Do you mean to say that good C-c-chirstians are oppressed by Israel too??

No they're not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian ... _relations

Also, Christians are even more likely to say that Israel is doing things wrong than Muslims are (see the last paragraph).
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