Trump just recognized Jerusalem as Israel's Capital

[Nakena]

our awesome Israeli friend's

Our greatest Ally.

And before Ottoman. And before... Mamluks?

That would be Egypt. Also Egypt owned Gaza prior to six-day war.

Because they invaded and took the land in 1948, same for Jordan and West Bank and East Jerusalem.

Gaza should go back to the Egyptians.

[Kassaran]

Good.

Though the 3 sites (Holy Sepulchre, Dome and Wailing Wall) should become governed by the UN with free access to everybody.

But Jerusalem is and should remain Israel's capital, recognised by all.

Anything that pisses off the Islamic world is just a bonus, and anything that enrages European & American Muslims to rage and riot is politically beneficial.

...Do you know anything about geopolitics? Not meant as an insult, just asking.
This could be used by Russia and China to curry Muslim favor by opposing the action. Russia less likely due to ties with Israel, China more likely. This could(But likely won't) cause WW3, but it's the most likely of any immediate crisis to do so. And this is a world war we cannot win due to all the oil being on the opposing side. If Russia remains opportunistic, they'll use this to deal us a humiliating defeat even if they remain neutral and force us to make concessions.

Absolute horseshit and you know it. You're being ridiculous over this and honestly it's laughable.

Russia has a roughly similar outlook on Islam as the United States, it exists within its borders and its tolerable so long as they don't get violent or disobey laws. They're not going to get any extra help in facing the US and China? Really? Are you that blind to the Chinese government's treatment of Muslims in its own land? Get over your high horse and sit down to look at what every country has done.

This won't cause WW3 in any sense of the words because you seeming to think all the oil is on the other side is a moot point. You're so laughably wrong that I almost didn't want to go and find something to say otherwise, but I know that you in your pro-'leftist' mindset might as well of convinced yourself that my throwing my hands up in disgust for willful ignorance is a victory. You are wrong.

Here's some numbers for you.

40% of our oil needs as you likely aren't aware are met at home, and the majority of all oil needs are met on our side of the world... in fact, almost three-quarters of ourr oil needs are met in the Western Hemisphere. Wow, such reliance on Arabia. So much oil over there. We'd bee absolutely crippled losing a whopping 25% or so of our total oil in an all-out war which oil wouldn't even matter in. It's almost like you forgot nuclear weapons are a thing and that neither Russia nor China are in any position, nor will be in any position for a long time, to actively resist the United States.

[Petrolheadia]

You can quote that all you want, but it doesn't mean I respect anything written in *gag* greentext.

Then perhaps you'll respect this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936%E2%80%931939_Arab_revolt_in_Palestine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_and_Muslim_countries
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War

Palestine is hardly the victim here.

If you come to somebody's land and say "this is mine", expect an ass-whoopin'.

[Neutraligon]

our awesome Israeli friend's

Our greatest Ally.

Because they invaded and took the land in 1948, same for Jordan and West Bank and East Jerusalem.

Gaza should go back to the Egyptians.

Why? Should Texas go back to the Mexicans?

[The of Japan]

our awesome Israeli friend's

Our greatest Ally.

Because they invaded and took the land in 1948, same for Jordan and West Bank and East Jerusalem.

Gaza should go back to the Egyptians.

They at least would remove Hamas

[Arlenton]

Wouldn't nuking the center of the universe would cause the destruction of reality of something?

Technically we've already nuked the center of the universe since the center of something that is infinite is everywhere.

Ummm, pretty sure they don't have a Buc-ee's everywhere.

[Liriena]

So...how long has a country called Israel existed?

A few hundred years, northern modern day Israel and Palestine was Israel until Assyrians.

But for most of its history, Jerusalem has existed within the territory of countries not named Israel, or in any way related to the Biblical Israel.

[Valrifell]

Google maps had Tel Aviv as the capital, iirc, they probably still do.

I think it's just such a contentious issue for a variety of reasons that whether or not it's the capital just comes down to the preferences of the cartographer.

How come its not simply up to Israel?

If you want to get technical/philosophical, nothing is up to anyone in international theatrics, if we wanted to pretend that Saint Petersburg was the capital of Russia, we could. It'd be pointless and stupid, but we could.

The blunt answer is that we don't want to piss off the Gulf States or other majority Muslim areas, because they'd be furious.

[Petrolheadia]

Technically we've already nuked the center of the universe since the center of something that is infinite is everywhere.

Ummm, pretty sure they don't have a Buc-ee's everywhere.

There is a reason.

[Albangary]

I personally believe that Israel is the shelter from the storm that is the middle East. It is probably the most free and capitalistic countries in the region and should receive complete support from any country that considers itself free.

Even if it causes a big stink, I think the inevitable result of conflict is a better world in general (so long as it doesn't, y'know, destroy it)

What you just said is very true. I agree with you.

[Baltenstein]

Here's the thing, why should Jews rely on the mere belief that the countries they lived in would hopefully not harass them too much again post-45? It clearly didn't work out pre-45.
And why shouldn't they get their own national self-determination when most other peoples in the world have it too. I think having just lived through the worst genocide in your history is a pretty big argument in favor of you getting said wish.
With that being said, an independent Palestine with the capital of East Jerusalem has every right to exist too.

Because the place of their national self-determination is already being the place of someone else's?

You know, the land the Jews got from the British mandate was actually rather small, before the Arab nations had the bright idea of driving the Jews back to the Sea because obviously they shouldn't be allowed to have any nationstate whatsoever.

[Neutraligon]

Then perhaps you'll respect this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936%E2%80%931939_Arab_revolt_in_Palestine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_and_Muslim_countries
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War

Palestine is hardly the victim here.

If you come to somebody's land and say "this is mine", expect an ass-whoopin'.

And they lost.

[Nakena]

Why?

Less drama.

They at least would remove Hamas

Maybe. Al-Sissi isnt hard enough yet. ISIS is wrecking havoc on the Sinai. He has to upgrade himself to Saddam Hussein tier.

[Sanctissima]

Then perhaps you'll respect this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936%E2%80%931939_Arab_revolt_in_Palestine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_and_Muslim_countries
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War

Palestine is hardly the victim here.

If you come to somebody's land and say "this is mine", expect an ass-whoopin'.

Generally speaking, if you end up getting your ass whooped instead, then cry wolf and get your friends to help, but still lose; and then rinse and repeat two more times, you're doing it wrong. :^)

[Petrolheadia]

If you come to somebody's land and say "this is mine", expect an ass-whoopin'.

And they lost.

Are losing.

[G-Tech Corporation]

A few hundred years, northern modern day Israel and Palestine was Israel until Assyrians.

But for most of its history, Jerusalem has existed within the territory of countries not named Israel, or in any way related to the Biblical Israel.

Ah, but for how long has Jerusalem been a part of the territory of countries named Palestine?

A question indeed

[Neutraligon]

Why?

Less drama.

Not sure that would actually be true

[Petrolheadia]

If you come to somebody's land and say "this is mine", expect an ass-whoopin'.

Generally speaking, if you end up getting your ass whooped instead, then cry wolf and get your friends to help, but still lose; and then rinse and repeat two more times, you're doing it wrong. :^)

Ass-whoopin' is eternal. If it fails once, it will happen twice.

[Thermodolia]

Because the place of their national self-determination is already being the place of someone else's?

You know, the land the Jews got from the British mandate was actually rather small, before the Arab nations had the bright idea of driving the Jews back to the Sea because obviously they shouldn't be allowed to have any nationstate whatsoever.

They tried three different times and three different times they got their asses handed to them

[The of Japan]

Why?

Less drama.

They at least would remove Hamas

Maybe. Al-Sissi isnt hard enough yet. ISIS is wrecking havoc on the Sinai. He has to upgrade himself to Saddam Hussein tier.

IS in Sinai won’t last for much longer, and Egypt army has experience removing supporters of islamism

[Collatis]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_and_Muslim_countries

"exodus"

Nice way of describing expulsion :/

If you come to somebody's land and say "this is mine", expect an ass-whoopin'.

What an excellent grasp of Middle Eastern history you have. I am truly in awe.

[Neutraligon]

And they lost.

Are losing.

No, they lost. They lost the second Israel become a recognized sovereign nation. They lost even harder when 5 different nations tried to destroy the new nation-state...and failed. They failed 3 times.

[Sanctissima]

Generally speaking, if you end up getting your ass whooped instead, then cry wolf and get your friends to help, but still lose; and then rinse and repeat two more times, you're doing it wrong. :^)

Ass-whoopin' is eternal. If it fails once, it will happen twice.

Not when you're the aggressor, yet continually lose to the defender, no.

[The of Japan]

And they lost.

Are losing.

Lost many times and are still losing, despite numerical advantage many times

[Conserative Morality]

You know, the land the Jews got from the British mandate was actually rather small, before the Arab nations had the bright idea of driving the Jews back to the Sea because obviously they shouldn't be allowed to have any nationstate whatsoever.

2/3s Arab in population, over half Jewish in land distribution. That the principle of self-determination was ignored in the UN partition plan is a legitimate grievance.