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Postby The Conez Imperium » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:46 pm

Wow, Trump just turned US diplomacy in the Middle East on hard mode. At this rate, Trump will recognise Taiwan as China by the end of the year.
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Postby Alliance of Free Planets » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:47 pm

I wonder if Israel will topple that Mosque on the Hill because it’s had it’s authority over Jerusalem be legitimized by the strongest nation on Earth. Nothing like Six Day war p.2 “The Reckoning”
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:47 pm

Kennlind wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:1) So is Hamas.
2) So does the IDF.

1) Hamas are a terrorist group. Even the PLO don't like them.
2) No they don't. They target terrorists. Civilians get caught in the crossfire because Hamas use them as human shields.

2) Israeli troops routinely target civilian infrastructure, attack civilians, and, famously, they have several times used Palestinians as human shields.
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Postby The of Japan » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:47 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:1. I don't get the outrage? Isn't Jeruslam Israel capital?

2.Why is this not in the Trump thread?

1) Because Jerusalem is occupied territory and not recognized as part of Israel by international law.

I presume the Alt Right will now circumcise themselves and convert to Judaism in honor of "based Donald" and the "based Jews".

East jerusalem* west Jerusalem is recognized as Israeli worldwide
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Postby MERIZoC » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:47 pm

Kennlind wrote:1) Hamas are a terrorist group. Even the PLO don't like them.

Parts of the PLO are also "terrorists" and their disagreements with Hamas certainly aren't tactical.

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Postby Kenmoria » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:47 pm

Topoliani wrote:All in favor of just declaring Israel/Palestine a neutral UN zone say aye just to prevent stupidity like this.

Aye.
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Postby Free Tristania » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:47 pm

1: The West has been the enemy of Islam since the days of Muhammad ( Dar al-Harb, along with the rest of the non-Islamic world) Nothing would change that anyway.
2: They have been fighting an unholy war since the days of Muhammad. What else is new.
3: So what if they do ?
4: Would be an extremely idea for them. The last two countries that tried that, got bombed back to the year dot. Should serve as a nice warning,
wouldn't you think ?

Here are my sentiments on it. I don't even like Israel but its political (with an hiatus until 1948) and spiritual capital since Biblical Times so this is where the embassy belongs and where it should be. As for the Arabs: who the hell do they think they are, lecturing us on our foreign policy while willing and knowingly funding terror groups and fundamentalist mosques here in the West. So with all due respect: f...... them.
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Postby Alliance of Free Planets » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:47 pm

The Conez Imperium wrote:Wow, Trump just turned US diplomacy in the Middle East on hard mode. At this rate, Trump will recognise Taiwan as China by the end of the year.

*China as Taiwan
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Postby Fleet of Paper Boats » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:47 pm

The Muslims have no place in the holy land of the Christians and the Jews.

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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:48 pm

Kennlind wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:I guess a bunch of evangelicals in America will be happy now that the supposed apocalypse and Jesus’ return is one step closer to ‘reality’.

I guess a bunch of Jews in Israel will be happy that people recognize their right to exist.

We already recognized their right to exist.
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Postby The of Japan » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:48 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Kennlind wrote:1) Hamas are a terrorist group. Even the PLO don't like them.
2) No they don't. They target terrorists. Civilians get caught in the crossfire because Hamas use them as human shields.

2) Israeli troops routinely target civilian infrastructure, attack civilians, and, famously, they have several times used Palestinians as human shields.

When have Israel attacked civilians intentionally in Gaza?
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Postby Cyrothica » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:48 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Cyrothica wrote:Is that why the Palestinian flag was the star of david? Is that why Palestinian athletes had mainly Jewish features? Sorry, but no.

"Here are the demographics."
"Lmao, but the flag man."

You didn't show any demographics. You just said "arabs were the majority except jaffa" without posting any statistics, granted neither did I, but the flag issue can be solved with a simple google search.
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Postby Kennlind » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:48 pm

Topoliani wrote:All in favor of just declaring Israel/Palestine a neutral UN zone say aye.

No. If any other country did this nobody care, but there's a problem because Israel is the JEWISH state.

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:1. I don't get the outrage? Isn't Jeruslam Israel capital?

2.Why is this not in the Trump thread?

1) Because Jerusalem is occupied territory and not recognized as part of Israel by international law.

I presume the Alt Right will now circumcise themselves and convert to Judaism in honor of "based Donald" and the "based Jews".

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Postby MERIZoC » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:48 pm

Free Tristania wrote:1: The West has been seen since the enemy of Islam since the days of Muhammad (along with the rest of the non-Islamic world)

This is a gem, folks

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Postby The of Japan » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:48 pm

Kennlind wrote:
Topoliani wrote:All in favor of just declaring Israel/Palestine a neutral UN zone say aye.

No. If any other country did this nobody care, but there's a problem because Israel is the JEWISH state.

United Muscovite Nations wrote:1) Because Jerusalem is occupied territory and not recognized as part of Israel by international law.

I presume the Alt Right will now circumcise themselves and convert to Judaism in honor of "based Donald" and the "based Jews".

Wtf based altright!

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Postby Sanctissima » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:49 pm

Aillyria wrote:
Trumptonium wrote:Good.

Though the 3 sites (Holy Sepulchre, Dome and Wailing Wall) should become governed by the UN with free access to everybody.

But Jerusalem is and should remain Israel's capital, recognised by all.

Anything that pisses off the Islamic world is just a bonus, and anything that enrages European & American Muslims to rage and riot is politically beneficial.

Yes, make the holy city of 3 religions the capitol of a genocidal zionist "nation" that exists on land stolen from the natives within living memory.


Yes, "genocidal".

The same nation that has made great strives to accommodate its Arabic and Muslim citizens, that has repeatedly tried to come to some sort of arrangement with Palestine and that literally allows anti-Zionist Islamic parties to participate in the Israeli Knesset despite many of them being opposed to the very existence of Israel as a nation.

Wow, what a bunch of evil genocidal mass-murderers.

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:49 pm

Fleet of Paper Boats wrote:The Muslims have no place in the holy land of the Christians and the Jews.

Jews and Christians in the Holy Land aren't very good friends either.
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Postby Kennlind » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:49 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Kennlind wrote:I guess a bunch of Jews in Israel will be happy that people recognize their right to exist.

We already recognized their right to exist.

No, you compromised with terrorist Islamists because you didn't want to hurt their feelings and until now refused to recognize their capital city (Yerushalayim).
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:49 pm

Deian salazar wrote:
The Conez Imperium wrote:Wow, Trump just turned US diplomacy in the Middle East on hard mode. At this rate, Trump will recognise Taiwan as China by the end of the year.

Don't jinx us! >:(

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Postby MERIZoC » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:50 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Fleet of Paper Boats wrote:The Muslims have no place in the holy land of the Christians and the Jews.

Jews and Christians in the Holy Land aren't very good friends either.

Do you mean to say that good C-c-chirstians are oppressed by Israel too??

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Postby The Alma Mater » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:50 pm

Kennlind wrote:
Topoliani wrote:All in favor of just declaring Israel/Palestine a neutral UN zone say aye.

No. If any other country did this nobody care, but there's a problem because Israel is the JEWISH state.


Technically Judaism, Christianity and Islam all agree that Israel is the Jewish state only AFTER the messiah has led the Jews there.
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Postby Fleet of Paper Boats » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:50 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Fleet of Paper Boats wrote:The Muslims have no place in the holy land of the Christians and the Jews.

Jews and Christians in the Holy Land aren't very good friends either.

I am well aware, but at least they have a claim to it.

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:50 pm

Cyrothica wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:"Here are the demographics."
"Lmao, but the flag man."

You didn't show any demographics. You just said "arabs were the majority except jaffa" without posting any statistics, granted neither did I, but the flag issue can be solved with a simple google search.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... 8b%29.jpeg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory ... mographics

In 1945, 60% of people in Palestine were Muslims.
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Postby MERIZoC » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:50 pm

Kennlind wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:We already recognized their right to exist.

No, you compromised with terrorist Islamists because you didn't want to hurt their feelings and until now refused to recognize their capital city (Yerushalayim).

How on earth do you reconcile Irish republicanism with these views.

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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:51 pm

Deian salazar wrote: it's a political mistake not taking the apocalypse into account.

I’d say it’s a political mistake to take the apocalypse into consideration since the end of the world generally doesn’t make for good politics.
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