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Postby Katzenstaat » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:35 am

Liberals are wrong because they actually believe that equality exists.

Conservatives are wrong because they actually believe that justice exists.

Only Nazis, ancient Mongols etc got it right. Morality does not exist. I don't want to hear liberals crying about inequality or Christian and Muslim conservatives crying about injustice for the universe does not care about their tears.
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Postby Katzenstaat » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:37 am

Sovaal wrote:
Katzenstaat wrote:Where are you?

US. Still plenty of rapes here. Not as much as Kenya, most likely, but then again despite being one of the richer African countries it's still poorer then us. and I seriously doubt that people of African descent are genetically predestination to commit crimes more often.

Do people in and from Northeast Asia commit crimes a lot? No. Especially not random crimes. Long-term planning certainly curbs random crimes.
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Postby Sovaal » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:37 am

Katzenstaat wrote:Liberals are wrong because they actually believe that equality exists.

Conservatives are wrong because they actually believe that justice exists.

Only Nazis, ancient Mongols etc got it right. Morality does not exist. I don't want to hear liberals crying about inequality or Christian and Muslim conservatives crying about injustice for the universe does not care about their tears.

And I don't care about your opinion on the state of the world. Provide evidence for your damn statements.
Most of the time I have no idea what the hell I'm doing or talking about.

”Many forms of government have been tried and will be tried in this world of sin and woe.
No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time." -
Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:37 am

Katzenstaat wrote:Get over it. The universe is a cruel place so you need to learn to survive and thrive. Anyone who spares your life is at least not maximally hostile.

That's not how human civilization works.

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Postby Sovaal » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:38 am

Katzenstaat wrote:
Sovaal wrote:US. Still plenty of rapes here. Not as much as Kenya, most likely, but then again despite being one of the richer African countries it's still poorer then us. and I seriously doubt that people of African descent are genetically predestination to commit crimes more often.

Do people in and from Northeast Asia commit crimes a lot? No. Especially not random crimes. Long-term planning certainly curbs random crimes.

And I doubt that their genetics has anything to do with the lack of crimes, rather I would put that to the large central governments bordering on police states up there.
Most of the time I have no idea what the hell I'm doing or talking about.

”Many forms of government have been tried and will be tried in this world of sin and woe.
No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time." -
Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Katzenstaat » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:38 am

Sovaal wrote:
Katzenstaat wrote:Liberals are wrong because they actually believe that equality exists.

Conservatives are wrong because they actually believe that justice exists.

Only Nazis, ancient Mongols etc got it right. Morality does not exist. I don't want to hear liberals crying about inequality or Christian and Muslim conservatives crying about injustice for the universe does not care about their tears.

And I don't care about your opinion on the state of the world. Provide evidence for your damn statements.

I think both liberals and conservatives fear my views which are completely amoral.

Might is right. Morality is idiocy.
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Postby Katzenstaat » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:39 am

Sovaal wrote:
Katzenstaat wrote:Do people in and from Northeast Asia commit crimes a lot? No. Especially not random crimes. Long-term planning certainly curbs random crimes.

And I doubt that their genetics has anything to do with the lack of crimes, rather I would put that to the large central governments bordering on police states up there.

Why is Hawaii one of the safest states of US and why do NE Asians commit so few crimes here?
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:39 am

Katzenstaat wrote:
Sovaal wrote:And I don't care about your opinion on the state of the world. Provide evidence for your damn statements.

I think both liberals and conservatives fear my views which are completely amoral.

That's not evidence for your statements

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Postby Sovaal » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:40 am

Katzenstaat wrote:
Sovaal wrote:And I don't care about your opinion on the state of the world. Provide evidence for your damn statements.

I think both liberals and conservatives fear my views which are completely amoral.

Might is right. Morality is idiocy.

And I don't care about your damn views, I care about the lack of evidence you're providing to support them.
Most of the time I have no idea what the hell I'm doing or talking about.

”Many forms of government have been tried and will be tried in this world of sin and woe.
No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time." -
Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Katzenstaat » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:41 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Katzenstaat wrote:I think both liberals and conservatives fear my views which are completely amoral.

That's not evidence for your statements

Sure. However I do want to emphasize my stance which is much darker than anything you can think of.

We can have a safe society without morality as long as there is deterrence.
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Postby Sovaal » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:42 am

Katzenstaat wrote:
Sovaal wrote:And I doubt that their genetics has anything to do with the lack of crimes, rather I would put that to the large central governments bordering on police states up there.

Why is Hawaii one of the safest states of US and why do NE Asians commit so few crimes here?

East Asians in general aren't as poor as other minorities, and poverty is usually related to crime, especially violent crime.

E: Also, if morality is a spook, why do you keep on giving examples of things in African countries that to the west are morally reprehensible?
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Most of the time I have no idea what the hell I'm doing or talking about.

”Many forms of government have been tried and will be tried in this world of sin and woe.
No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time." -
Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:42 am

Katzenstaat wrote:
Sovaal wrote:And I doubt that their genetics has anything to do with the lack of crimes, rather I would put that to the large central governments bordering on police states up there.

Why is Hawaii one of the safest states of US and why do NE Asians commit so few crimes here?

It's one of the least populated states, the sun shines a lot so depression and other mental problems do not develop, great tourism industry giving most people a job so crime and the black market are down, ect

Who the fuck cares what race they are or where they come from?
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:44 am

Katzenstaat wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:That's not evidence for your statements

Sure. However I do want to emphasize my stance which is much darker than anything you can think of.

We can have a safe society without morality as long as there is deterrence.


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Postby Katzenstaat » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:45 am

Sovaal wrote:
Katzenstaat wrote:Why is Hawaii one of the safest states of US and why do NE Asians commit so few crimes here?

East Asians in general aren't as poor as other minorities, and poverty is usually related to crime, especially violent crime.

Northeast Asians aren't people who never commit crimes. The point is that they rarely commit crimes out of passion. Many violent crimes in America have no reasonable economic cause.

The problem is not about poverty. Even poor people in NE Asia generally do not randomly kill people because it is not profitable. Instead it is about behaviors.
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Postby Katzenstaat » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:46 am

Sovaal wrote:
Katzenstaat wrote:Why is Hawaii one of the safest states of US and why do NE Asians commit so few crimes here?

East Asians in general aren't as poor as other minorities, and poverty is usually related to crime, especially violent crime.

E: Also, if morality is a spook, why do you keep on giving examples of things in African countries that to the west are morally reprehensible?

Even though morality does not exist we can still agree that certain actions harm humanity and need to be stopped.
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Postby Sovaal » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:46 am

Katzenstaat wrote:
Sovaal wrote:East Asians in general aren't as poor as other minorities, and poverty is usually related to crime, especially violent crime.

Northeast Asians aren't people who never commit crimes. The point is that they rarely commit crimes out of passion. Many violent crimes in America have no reasonable economic cause.

The problem is not about poverty. Even poor people in NE Asia generally do not randomly kill people. Instead it is about behaviors.

First off, got evidence that it's something related to genetics of the person?

second, if morality is just some fantasy, why should I care?
Most of the time I have no idea what the hell I'm doing or talking about.

”Many forms of government have been tried and will be tried in this world of sin and woe.
No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time." -
Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Sovaal » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:47 am

Katzenstaat wrote:
Sovaal wrote:East Asians in general aren't as poor as other minorities, and poverty is usually related to crime, especially violent crime.

E: Also, if morality is a spook, why do you keep on giving examples of things in African countries that to the west are morally reprehensible?

Even though morality does not exist we can still agree that certain actions harm humanity and need to be stopped.

So, morality.

man, how do you expect people to take you seriously if you can't keep your beliefs straight.
Most of the time I have no idea what the hell I'm doing or talking about.

”Many forms of government have been tried and will be tried in this world of sin and woe.
No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time." -
Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Katzenstaat » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:48 am

Sovaal wrote:
Katzenstaat wrote:Northeast Asians aren't people who never commit crimes. The point is that they rarely commit crimes out of passion. Many violent crimes in America have no reasonable economic cause.

The problem is not about poverty. Even poor people in NE Asia generally do not randomly kill people. Instead it is about behaviors.

First off, got evidence that it's something related to genetics of the person?

second, if morality is just some fantasy, why should I care?

I think so.
https://www.jax.org/news-and-insights/j ... t-behavior

Morality does not exist. However harm still do. Preventing and reducing harm should remain our concern even though morality does not exist.

Think like the SS but don't act like them. There are amoral reasons why we shouldn't go around commiting massacres.
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Postby Katzenstaat » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:49 am

Sovaal wrote:
Katzenstaat wrote:Even though morality does not exist we can still agree that certain actions harm humanity and need to be stopped.

So, morality.

man, how do you expect people to take you seriously if you can't keep your beliefs straight.

No, it's not. Instead this is just personal interest. You don't need morality to realize that getting murdered is awful and you should avoid getting murdered.
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Postby Katzenstaat » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:52 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Katzenstaat wrote:Why is Hawaii one of the safest states of US and why do NE Asians commit so few crimes here?

It's one of the least populated states, the sun shines a lot so depression and other mental problems do not develop, great tourism industry giving most people a job so crime and the black market are down, ect

Who the fuck cares what race they are or where they come from?

Let's apply your theory to Barbados then. Shall we?
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Postby Sovaal » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:56 am

Katzenstaat wrote:
Sovaal wrote:First off, got evidence that it's something related to genetics of the person?

second, if morality is just some fantasy, why should I care?

I think so.
https://www.jax.org/news-and-insights/j ... t-behavior

Morality does not exist. However harm still do. Preventing and reducing harm should remain our concern even though morality does not exist.

Think like the SS but don't act like them. There are amoral reasons why we shouldn't go around commiting massacres.

And nothing in that article connects that gene to a single race.
Most of the time I have no idea what the hell I'm doing or talking about.

”Many forms of government have been tried and will be tried in this world of sin and woe.
No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time." -
Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Sovaal » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:57 am

Katzenstaat wrote:
Sovaal wrote:So, morality.

man, how do you expect people to take you seriously if you can't keep your beliefs straight.

No, it's not. Instead this is just personal interest. You don't need morality to realize that getting murdered is awful and you should avoid getting murdered.

If it's personal interest only, then why should I care if other people, or society as a whole, are harmed, so long as I am okay?
Most of the time I have no idea what the hell I'm doing or talking about.

”Many forms of government have been tried and will be tried in this world of sin and woe.
No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time." -
Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Katzenstaat » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:57 am

Sovaal wrote:
Katzenstaat wrote:I think so.
https://www.jax.org/news-and-insights/j ... t-behavior

Morality does not exist. However harm still do. Preventing and reducing harm should remain our concern even though morality does not exist.

Think like the SS but don't act like them. There are amoral reasons why we shouldn't go around commiting massacres.

And nothing in that article connects that gene to a single race.

Sure. However I first want to.establish that genetics and crime are related.
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Postby Sovaal » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:59 am

Katzenstaat wrote:
Sovaal wrote:And nothing in that article connects that gene to a single race.

Sure. However I first want to.establish that genetics and crime are related.

Yet nothing about genetics related to a single race. So again, your point?
Most of the time I have no idea what the hell I'm doing or talking about.

”Many forms of government have been tried and will be tried in this world of sin and woe.
No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time." -
Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Katzenstaat » Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:00 am

Sovaal wrote:
Katzenstaat wrote:No, it's not. Instead this is just personal interest. You don't need morality to realize that getting murdered is awful and you should avoid getting murdered.

If it's personal interest only, then why should I care if other people, or society as a whole, are harmed, so long as I am okay?

You don't inherently have to care. However a legal system that punishes crimes does make you safer. Shall you support it? Yes.
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