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by Kubumba Tribe » Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:55 am
Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.
by Katzenstaat » Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:55 am
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:Liriena wrote:You'd think racists would by now know better than to unironically defend the Nazis, but nooooooooooo, they've just got to show how awful their worldview truly is unprompted.
You didn't catch what he was throwing
I'll put it in plain view: He's basically suggesting he doesn't really care about a discussion, that from his point of view he's right and we're wrong, and nothing we say will change his mind. Why waste my time with someone who isn't here for an argument, but rather is here to be preachy?
I'm a busy person, I don't have the time to waste on someone who won't listen.
by Katzenstaat » Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:56 am
by Kubumba Tribe » Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:57 am
Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.
by Katzenstaat » Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:58 am
by Katzenstaat » Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:59 am
by Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:07 am
Katzenstaat wrote:Nope. Convince me that my views are factually inaccurate if you can.
Tekania wrote:Welcome to NSG, where informed opinions get to bump-heads with ignorant ideology under the pretense of an equal footing.
by Katzenstaat » Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:12 am
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:Katzenstaat wrote:Nope. Convince me that my views are factually inaccurate if you can.
First of all, I am not reading your posts wrong, if you want to have a discussion you shouldn't be coming here saying you "don't care/have time to listen to Liberals and Conservatives "cry" about their values". That's just a sign you're not going to listen to anything I have to say and you'll try to rationalize anything I say and give excuses as to why I'm wrong.
Secondly, I don't have to "convince" you of anything. In the end, you can just close the tab, I can close mine, and we'll go our ways. I'll let life teach you instead
by Katzenstaat » Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:16 am
Liriena wrote:Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
It's a good thing you're honest.
At least it saves me the time to actually reply to you any further.
You'd think racists would by now know better than to unironically defend the Nazis, but nooooooooooo, they've just got to show how awful their worldview truly is unprompted.
by Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:18 am
Katzenstaat wrote:Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
First of all, I am not reading your posts wrong, if you want to have a discussion you shouldn't be coming here saying you "don't care/have time to listen to Liberals and Conservatives "cry" about their values". That's just a sign you're not going to listen to anything I have to say and you'll try to rationalize anything I say and give excuses as to why I'm wrong.
Secondly, I don't have to "convince" you of anything. In the end, you can just close the tab, I can close mine, and we'll go our ways. I'll let life teach you instead
I think you misunderstood me. My ideology is that of self-reliance and distrust towards all social structures because all of them can fail.
Tekania wrote:Welcome to NSG, where informed opinions get to bump-heads with ignorant ideology under the pretense of an equal footing.
by Thermodolia » Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:18 am
Katzenstaat wrote:Liriena wrote:You'd think racists would by now know better than to unironically defend the Nazis, but nooooooooooo, they've just got to show how awful their worldview truly is unprompted.
My views are in fact more nuanced.
I like Ashkenazi Jews due to their high IQ. Hence I completely disagree with Nazi antisemitism. On the other hand Nazism did get the moral question right.
There is no morality. However it doesn't mean that we should start murdering people. The norm of not murdering humans works very well and breaking is very costly.
by Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:20 am
Katzenstaat wrote:Liriena wrote:You'd think racists would by now know better than to unironically defend the Nazis, but nooooooooooo, they've just got to show how awful their worldview truly is unprompted.
My views are in fact more nuanced.
I like Ashkenazi Jews due to their high IQ. Hence I completely disagree with Nazi antisemitism. On the other hand Nazism did get the moral question right.
There is no morality. However it doesn't mean that we should start murdering people. The norm of not murdering humans works very well and breaking is very costly.
Tekania wrote:Welcome to NSG, where informed opinions get to bump-heads with ignorant ideology under the pretense of an equal footing.
by Katzenstaat » Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:23 am
Thermodolia wrote:Katzenstaat wrote:My views are in fact more nuanced.
I like Ashkenazi Jews due to their high IQ. Hence I completely disagree with Nazi antisemitism. On the other hand Nazism did get the moral question right.
There is no morality. However it doesn't mean that we should start murdering people. The norm of not murdering humans works very well and breaking is very costly.
IQ is a horribly shity metric to measure intelligence
by Katzenstaat » Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:25 am
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:Katzenstaat wrote:My views are in fact more nuanced.
I like Ashkenazi Jews due to their high IQ. Hence I completely disagree with Nazi antisemitism. On the other hand Nazism did get the moral question right.
There is no morality. However it doesn't mean that we should start murdering people. The norm of not murdering humans works very well and breaking is very costly.
I'll take the question "what is a system where we solve politics with force?" for 500 Alex.
by Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:27 am
Tekania wrote:Welcome to NSG, where informed opinions get to bump-heads with ignorant ideology under the pretense of an equal footing.
by Thermodolia » Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:28 am
by Katzenstaat » Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:29 am
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:Katzenstaat wrote:
Authoritarianism?
No. War.
We kill people in wars. Your statement implies war is unprofitable, but in fact it is very profitable from a political and an economic angle.
"Murdering" people is just a legal way to say we don't sanction the killing of a person outside of legally justified reasoning, but there are plenty of reasons why killing a person is not only the right thing to do, but also the more profitable one.
by Katzenstaat » Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:30 am
by Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:32 am
Katzenstaat wrote:Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
No. War.
We kill people in wars. Your statement implies war is unprofitable, but in fact it is very profitable from a political and an economic angle.
"Murdering" people is just a legal way to say we don't sanction the killing of a person outside of legally justified reasoning, but there are plenty of reasons why killing a person is not only the right thing to do, but also the more profitable one.
Sure. This is why fighting in a war is never considered a war crime.
I can argue that genocide is also very profitable because you get resources after killing all the inhabitants of a country.
Tekania wrote:Welcome to NSG, where informed opinions get to bump-heads with ignorant ideology under the pretense of an equal footing.
by Stojam » Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:32 am
by Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:33 am
Katzenstaat wrote:in terms of multilevel selection we can argue that genocide harms perpetrators.
Tekania wrote:Welcome to NSG, where informed opinions get to bump-heads with ignorant ideology under the pretense of an equal footing.
by Katzenstaat » Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:34 am
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:Katzenstaat wrote:Sure. This is why fighting in a war is never considered a war crime.
I can argue that genocide is also very profitable because you get resources after killing all the inhabitants of a country.
And it would be right, depending on which region we're talking about.
Some areas are more profitable than others in the globe. For instance, a genocide of Europeans is highly profitable for outsiders as opposed to a genocide of, say, Ghanans.
by Katzenstaat » Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:37 am
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:Katzenstaat wrote:in terms of multilevel selection we can argue that genocide harms perpetrators.
There's little to no harm done in genocide towards the perpetrator materially.
Sure, we just wiped out the globe from everyone in that region, but how does that harm the perpetrators?
by Liriena » Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:37 am
Thermodolia wrote:Katzenstaat wrote:My views are in fact more nuanced.
I like Ashkenazi Jews due to their high IQ. Hence I completely disagree with Nazi antisemitism. On the other hand Nazism did get the moral question right.
There is no morality. However it doesn't mean that we should start murdering people. The norm of not murdering humans works very well and breaking is very costly.
IQ is a horribly shity metric to measure intelligence
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by Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:37 am
Katzenstaat wrote:Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
And it would be right, depending on which region we're talking about.
Some areas are more profitable than others in the globe. For instance, a genocide of Europeans is highly profitable for outsiders as opposed to a genocide of, say, Ghanans.
Europeans have nukes which deter genocides.
A genocide of Ghanaians is actually very profitable. Ghana wasn't called Gold Coast for no reasons. Its farmlands are also good. However genociding Ghanaians is still a bad idea.
Tekania wrote:Welcome to NSG, where informed opinions get to bump-heads with ignorant ideology under the pretense of an equal footing.
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