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Postby Alliance of Free Planets » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:40 pm

Nouveau Yathrib wrote:
Alliance of Free Planets wrote:Racism is not tolerated in American society as seen by the numerous people who have lost their jobs for saying the “N-word”, so it’s not a societal problem. Everyone is equal under the law as the constitution and its amendments safe guard this for citizens. The last one is very thought police-y, but I do agree that people should identify initial racial prejudice and try to push through it.


Legal equality doesn't mean racial prejudice doesn't exist. OP I agree that residential segregation is still a problem in the US, but you aren't helping your side by posting stories from questionable news sources.

I never said racial prejudice doesn’t exist, in fact, I said it still exists in the same post you quoted! All I was stating, is that racism is not tolerated in American society. Sorry for the misunderstanding
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Postby The Widening Gyre » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:43 pm

Alliance of Free Planets wrote:In no way is racism found acceptable in American society, considering how Charolettesville went down. No one outside of Neo Nazis and bitter racists thought the rally was a good thing, and Neo Nazis themselves were targeted on social media because they showed their face. You cannot go up to POC and degrade them anymore without facing serious consequences.


Again the fact that you seem to think the only racism that exists is the burning a cross on the lawn variety speaks volumes of your lack of perspective.

Alliance of Free Planets wrote:I don’t see what a compromise that was struck down BY a constitutional amendment after the civil war devalidates the point that the constitution is there to protect American people. If anything, it shows how the constitution was able to evolve to safeguard the rights of MORE people. Maybe I’m missing the point, please explain!


Because the people that wrote the Constitution included that compromise, and it took a civil war to get it removed. And even then it took until the Civil Rights Act to actually enforce that equality. If you're going to praise something for protecting peoples' rights, praise the civil rights movement leaders or abolitionists, not a piece of paper written in the 18th century.
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Postby Katzenstaat » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:46 pm

You should be glad that we aren't in a global race war now. I mean, the majority of Americans, Chinese and Indians don't have the same race. Thankfully we aren't in global genocide in which only one ethnic group will survive.

We aren't in a world where other humans simply kill you for existing.
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Postby Senkaku » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:47 pm

Katzenstaat wrote:We aren't in a world where other humans simply kill you for existing.

lol idk who this "we" is but i'm glad you live in such a friendly place :p
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Postby Alliance of Free Planets » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:53 pm

The Widening Gyre wrote:
Alliance of Free Planets wrote:In no way is racism found acceptable in American society, considering how Charolettesville went down. No one outside of Neo Nazis and bitter racists thought the rally was a good thing, and Neo Nazis themselves were targeted on social media because they showed their face. You cannot go up to POC and degrade them anymore without facing serious consequences.


Again the fact that you seem to think the only racism that exists is the burning a cross on the lawn variety speaks volumes of your lack of perspective.

What other metric am I supposed to judge societies tolerance of racism on? The small prejudices humans have against other race that by no way can be removed but only mended by rational thought? Or actual racist protests that proudly display racism on a pedestal that was shot down brutally with that same rational thought that destroys predjudice? Thank you, however, for displaying to me that racism can’t always be measured by its most obvious shows.

As for your other point, I’m sorry you associate my love of the constitution as devaluing the Civil rights leaders and abolinists. If it were not for them, the changes we have today would not of happened nor would they be set in stone without conditional amendments they helped to create.
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Postby Katzenstaat » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:57 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Katzenstaat wrote:We aren't in a world where other humans simply kill you for existing.

lol idk who this "we" is but i'm glad you live in such a friendly place :p

We can argue that animals generally don't kill other animals of the same species simply for existing either.
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Postby Inter-Universal Republic of Earth » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:59 pm

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Inter-Universal Republic of Earth wrote:I try to stay away from far left and far left outlets. Any other source?

Good thing Buzzfeed isn't far left.


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Postby Nouveau Yathrib » Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:09 am

Alliance of Free Planets wrote:
Nouveau Yathrib wrote:
Legal equality doesn't mean racial prejudice doesn't exist. OP I agree that residential segregation is still a problem in the US, but you aren't helping your side by posting stories from questionable news sources.

I never said racial prejudice doesn’t exist, in fact, I said it still exists in the same post you quoted! All I was stating, is that racism is not tolerated in American society. Sorry for the misunderstanding


No worries, I was multitasking when I posted that and didn't realize I was responding more to San Lumen.
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Postby USS Monitor » Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:16 am

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Stop trolling.


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Postby Albrenia » Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:35 am

This seems a little suspect to me, although there's no doubt racism that is faced by black people in the 'burbs. Buzzfeed is not a source I trust.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:14 am

San Lumen wrote:
Kramania wrote:I said far left, not radical left.

Are you accusing the media outlet of making up this story?


They're vastly exagerating it.
I could similarly "Go talk to" people and "prove" that there's rampant violence from Sikhs by selectively deciding who to talk to. Note they provide no statistics, just narrative and scaremongering.
You're reading the leftist equivalent of the daily mail and taking it seriously.

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Kramania wrote:Views.

yeah ok. I guess they have nothing better to do than make up a story about a city I doubt many on this board have even heard of before.


They sensationalize articles and repeat shit their readers want to hear while exaggerating. "Nothing better to do" than generate clickbait for money? Well, yeah, they're a business.
They literally do have nothing better to do than that.

Did you not notice the suspicious lack of verifiable facts?

They sell you the ability to feel indignant outrage. Notably, there's no verifiable thing here or measurable incident that would allow constructive work on the issue, just "REEEEEEEEEEEE! RACISM!" so their readers can flail about and feel superior to others without accomplishing anything worthwhile like justice system reforms, or demilitarization of the police.
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Postby The East Marches II » Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:19 am

"Lily white"

It even has one of your favorite phrases in the article! It's more nonsense about how whites secretly hate your diverse people and are using the police to persecute them.

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Postby Trumptonium » Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:27 am

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Inter-Universal Republic of Earth wrote:I try to stay away from far left and far left outlets. Any other source?

Good thing Buzzfeed isn't far left.


You're right.

Extreme left suits them better.
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Postby Donut section » Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:27 am

Buzzfeed?

Why would you post that? No one is going to believe any points you make. Like you might as well post from the daily stormer or the guardian.

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Postby Trumptonium » Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:28 am

Donut section wrote:Buzzfeed?

Why would you post that? No one is going to believe any points you make. Like you might as well post from the daily stormer or the guardian.


You forgot CNN
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Trumptonium wrote:
Donut section wrote:Buzzfeed?

Why would you post that? No one is going to believe any points you make. Like you might as well post from the daily stormer or the guardian.


You forgot CNN


Yes I did, why would you remind someone?

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:29 am

The East Marches II wrote:"Lily white"

It even has one of your favorite phrases in the article! It's more nonsense about how whites secretly hate your diverse people and are using the police to persecute them.


Oh look, anti-white racism, I didn't give them the clicks.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:32 am

San Lumen wrote:I found this article highly disturbing. Its long but worth the read.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/albertsamaha/p ... csG7zPy3B0
The article is mainly about the city of Troy, which is technically a suburb of Albany the capital of New York State. The city is a reflection of a growing trend where people of color are moving to smaller cities or suburban areas and changing the demographics. Yet the police forces in those communities don't treat them well nor do people in the community.

They treat them differently and the residents act like they are bringing crime and lowering their property values among other things. The police forces also don't reflect the changing demographics and the departments seem hostile to allowing non whites into their club. To be clear I am not saying that someone should get a job because of their race.

I think this is white protectionism and its highly disturbing and unacceptable. There is no link between race and crime and people shouldn't feel unwelcome where they reside.
The United States is a diverse multicultural country. People should be allowed to reside wherever they want and not feel like their town or city is unwelcoming or hostile to them because of their race.

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What's your take NSG on this hostile treatment and other issues this article raises?

Do you have an actual source? I'd trust the fucking Sun over Buzzfeed
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:35 am

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Kramania wrote:Or they didn't since they don't quote any white residents anywhere in the article saying that. They just throw that crap out there like a fucking wet napkin and don't back it up at all. J O U R N A L I S M


And how would they stop them?

oh so they so just made the story up?

I wouldn't doubt it. Probably took a lot of liberty writing the thing
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:37 am

San Lumen wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:It's interesting the way you're presenting this and the last topic, as if these long running issues of racism are just popping up on to your radar. They're as old as the hills in America and they're everywhere. How would you go about fixing this problem OP?

Maybe have training in the police department on not being racist and treating everyone equally under the law and not making assumptions based on someone's race.

You mean like we already are required to do under federal and state laws?
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:39 am

The Widening Gyre wrote:
Kramania wrote:I wasn't generalizing all leftists.

Just BuzzFeed.


You called Buzzfeed a 'far left' outlet. It's not, by any stretch of the imagination.There's a whole ecosystem of actual far left papers and magazines and websites out there that make Buzzfeed look like the second coming of Goldwater.

Kramania wrote:The Three-Fifths Compromise is no longer in effect.


Yep. Went through a war and a series of amendments to get there. Which is why appealing to the Constitution as a founding document for equality is silly.

Kramania wrote:That's a real shitty example to cart out if you're talking about racism in modern American society.

Just saying.


Tell him that, not me.

Last time I checked the amendments are a part of the constitution, so...
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Postby Alvecia » Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:46 am

They should create a huge wooden horse and offer it to the residents as a gift.

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Postby Bakery Hill » Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:51 am

Trumptonium wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:Good thing Buzzfeed isn't far left.


You're right.

Extreme left suits them better.

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Postby Bakery Hill » Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:52 am

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Maybe have training in the police department on not being racist and treating everyone equally under the law and not making assumptions based on someone's race.

You mean like we already are required to do under federal and state laws?

Yeah that too.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:25 am

Katzenstaat wrote:Islamists

If "real sh*t" means top tier violence, keep me out of this. I'm an Islamist, but I'm not violent
Katzenstaat wrote:Islamist idiot

We aren't idiots.
Unless you were talking abotu that certain hypothetical "Islamist idiot", nvm.
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