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Nah, you're crazy. Guns should be more restricted.
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Postby The East Marches II » Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:52 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
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Because they aren't necessarily guilty...


So you just release everyone and hope they turn up for their trial?


Thats the logic in blue states :^]

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Postby Canstan II » Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:56 pm

While we're somewhat on the topic - full restoration of gun rights for those who have completed their sentence with the exceptions of those convicted of: murder, human trafficking, terrorism, child molestation, child pornography, treason, espionage, and more than three instances of a felony assault.

Though preferably those crimes would have one in jail for the rest of their lives to begin with so it would hopefully be a moot point, heh.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:58 pm

Canstan II wrote:While we're somewhat on the topic - full restoration of gun rights for those who have completed their sentence with the exceptions of those convicted of: murder, human trafficking, terrorism, child molestation, child pornography, treason, espionage, and more than three instances of a felony assault.

Though preferably those crimes would have one in jail for the rest of their lives to begin with so it would hopefully be a moot point, heh.


I disagree with you on that. Once a prison sentance has been served then all rights should come back.

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Postby Canstan II » Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:01 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Canstan II wrote:While we're somewhat on the topic - full restoration of gun rights for those who have completed their sentence with the exceptions of those convicted of: murder, human trafficking, terrorism, child molestation, child pornography, treason, espionage, and more than three instances of a felony assault.

Though preferably those crimes would have one in jail for the rest of their lives to begin with so it would hopefully be a moot point, heh.


I disagree with you on that. Once a prison sentance has been served then all rights should come back.

Well yes, but since this is the gun control thread I thought it prudent to focus on that. Not to mention restoring gun right to ex-felons is not the most popular of positions, especially among the gun control crowd.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:03 pm

Canstan II wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
I disagree with you on that. Once a prison sentance has been served then all rights should come back.

Well yes, but since this is the gun control thread I thought it prudent to focus on that. Not to mention restoring gun right to ex-felons is not the most popular of positions, especially among the gun control crowd.


Then they're hypocrites. If they love the constitution then felons should get guns too.

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Postby Ors Might » Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:07 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Canstan II wrote:Well yes, but since this is the gun control thread I thought it prudent to focus on that. Not to mention restoring gun right to ex-felons is not the most popular of positions, especially among the gun control crowd.


Then they're hypocrites. If they love the constitution then felons should get guns too.

Agreed. If someone truly is so dangerous as to be incapable of being given back their rights, then they haven’t been rehabilitated. If you serve the terms of your sentencing then you have paid your “debt”, so to say.
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Postby Canstan II » Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:12 pm

Ors Might wrote:
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Then they're hypocrites. If they love the constitution then felons should get guns too.

Agreed. If someone truly is so dangerous as to be incapable of being given back their rights, then they haven’t been rehabilitated. If you serve the terms of your sentencing then you have paid your “debt”, so to say.

Exactly. If they are considered too dangerous to not have their rights, then quite frankly they shouldn't be allowed back into society.

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Postby Genivaria » Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:14 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
So you just release everyone and hope they turn up for their trial?


Thats the logic in blue states :^]

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Postby Petrasylvania » Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:17 pm

WalMart joins Dick's in gun treason.

Let the haughty dismissals and wishes of bankruptcy commence.
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Postby Canstan II » Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:19 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:WalMart joins Dick's in gun treason.

Let the haughty dismissals and wishes of bankruptcy commence.

I mean, yeah. It's stupid. They are legally adults with all rights given to them. If guns are to be withheld for 18 year old's, then quite frankly so should the right to vote. If we aren't going to consider them to be legal adults with full rights and protections, then it's across the board just not on this.

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Postby Telconi » Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:21 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Because they aren't necessarily guilty...


So you just release everyone and hope they turn up for their trial?


Well, no, but I mean we have ankle trackers foe the dangerous ones, and bail agents for the others.

Why should an alleged criminal be free because he has money, but in a cell if he doesn't? The current bail system fucks the poor and racial minorities.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:24 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:WalMart joins Dick's in gun treason.

Let the haughty dismissals and wishes of bankruptcy commence.


That was already Wal-Mart policy...
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Postby Fartsniffage » Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:24 pm

Telconi wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
So you just release everyone and hope they turn up for their trial?


Well, no, but I mean we have ankle trackers foe the dangerous ones, and bail agents for the others.

Why should an alleged criminal be free because he has money, but in a cell if he doesn't? The current bail system fucks the poor and racial minorities.


You're telling me that the American judicial system isn't fair? What a shock.

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Postby Telconi » Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:27 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Well, no, but I mean we have ankle trackers foe the dangerous ones, and bail agents for the others.

Why should an alleged criminal be free because he has money, but in a cell if he doesn't? The current bail system fucks the poor and racial minorities.


You're telling me that the American judicial system isn't fair? What a shock.


I think all judicial systems are unfair, some just more than others.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:55 pm

Telconi wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:WalMart joins Dick's in gun treason.

Let the haughty dismissals and wishes of bankruptcy commence.


That was already Wal-Mart policy...


The age increase? The pulling of entries from the online and removing toys?
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Postby Telconi » Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:58 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Telconi wrote:
That was already Wal-Mart policy...


The age increase? The pulling of entries from the online and removing toys?


Well not the toys, but my Wal-Mart at least had always had a 21 for ammo policy.
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Feb 28, 2018 7:01 pm

Telconi wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
So you just release everyone and hope they turn up for their trial?


Well, no, but I mean we have ankle trackers foe the dangerous ones, and bail agents for the others.

Why should an alleged criminal be free because he has money, but in a cell if he doesn't? The current bail system fucks the poor and racial minorities.

Yeaaaah you've got a point.

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Postby Saiwania » Wed Feb 28, 2018 7:13 pm

Canstan II wrote:I mean, yeah. It's stupid. They are legally adults with all rights given to them. If guns are to be withheld for 18 year old's, then quite frankly so should the right to vote. If we aren't going to consider them to be legal adults with full rights and protections, then it's across the board just not on this.


The voting age used to be higher, but was lowered to 18 because of the social issues surrounding the Vietnam War in the US. It was seen as absurd that 18 year olds could be drafted into military service for overseas war but couldn't vote. This argument became too politically powerful to ignore. The 18 to early 20s is a prime demographic, the US military obviously wants to be able to recruit such people as any military would. That age is around when people are most physically capable for combat.

Petrasylvania wrote:WalMart joins Dick's in gun treason.
Let the haughty dismissals and wishes of bankruptcy commence.


:rofl: Where else are those people going to go exactly, for groceries? Walmart dominates US retail and is practically too big to fail. Almost no other business can offer lower prices for the same products or selections in one convenient location. Walmart is all that a lot of right wingers can even afford.
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Postby Dylar » Wed Feb 28, 2018 7:51 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:WalMart joins Dick's in gun treason.
Let the haughty dismissals and wishes of bankruptcy commence.


:rofl: Where else are those people going to go exactly, for groceries? Walmart dominates US retail and is practically too big to fail. Almost no other business can offer lower prices for the same products or selections in one convenient location. Walmart is all that a lot of right wingers can even afford.

There's Meijer. Pretty much the same thing
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Postby Rostavykhan » Wed Feb 28, 2018 7:59 pm

Saiwania wrote:
:rofl: Where else are those people going to go exactly, for groceries? Walmart dominates US retail and is practically too big to fail. Almost no other business can offer lower prices for the same products or selections in one convenient location. Walmart is all that a lot of right wingers can even afford.



This is some mighty smug bourgeois goading

Also

>implying that Walmart exists in every town in the country.
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Postby Taihei Tengoku » Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:04 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:WalMart joins Dick's in gun treason.
Let the haughty dismissals and wishes of bankruptcy commence.


:rofl: Where else are those people going to go exactly, for groceries? Walmart dominates US retail and is practically too big to fail. Almost no other business can offer lower prices for the same products or selections in one convenient location. Walmart is all that a lot of right wingers can even afford.

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Postby Claorica » Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:05 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:WalMart joins Dick's in gun treason.
Let the haughty dismissals and wishes of bankruptcy commence.


Where else are those people going to go exactly, for groceries? Walmart dominates US retail and is practically too big to fail. Almost no other business can offer lower prices for the same products or selections in one convenient location. Walmart is all that a lot of right wingers can even afford.


You know, except most small towns where us right wingers live don't have Walmarts and we buy from local or small-chain grocers like IGA members....

But if it makes your smug liberal city-slicker ass happy you can go live in the mediocrity of urbanity with your laughs.
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Postby Canstan II » Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:10 pm


I mean, I'd prefer if most of the time they were left to defend themselves but at the same time it's not the most Whoa thing out there considering high ranking members already receive tax payer funded protection via the Secret Service.

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Postby Claorica » Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:11 pm

Canstan II wrote:

I mean, I'd prefer if most of the time they were left to defend themselves but at the same time it's not the most Whoa thing out there considering high ranking members already receive tax payer funded protection via the Secret Service.

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