Gun Control: Shiny Toy Guns

[Fartsniffage]

So we have less gun murders aka the ones you can't run away from.

I'm still wondering how many of those gun deaths you cited were justified DGUs.

You do know those are a thing, right?

Do you have stats on that?

[Big Jim P]

I'm still wondering how many of those gun deaths you cited were justified DGUs.

You do know those are a thing, right?

Do you have stats on that?

No Link handy, but estimates run 80K to 2.5 million. I tend to believe it i somewhere in the middle. I was wondering if Kesh realizes they happen.

[Thermodolia]

I will start this thread off by pointing out that the states with the most gun freedom have the most gun deaths but the states with the least gun freedom have the least gun deaths. Thus meaning that gun control is not only justified but works in the USA

Right... So I guess Chicago is its own state now?

[Thermodolia]

I mean that sounds believable but source

States death by gun per capita
Alaska 19.59
Louisiana 19.15
Alabama 17.79
Mississippi 17.55
Wyoming 17.51
Montana 16.94
Arkansas 16.93
Oklahoma 16.41
Tennessee 15.86
New Mexico 15.63
South Carolina 15.60
West Virginia 15.10
Missouri 14.56
Arizona 14.20
Nevada 14.16
Kentucky 14.15
Idaho 14.08
Indiana 13.04
Georgia 12.63
Florida 12.49
North Carolina 12.42
Michigan 12.03
Maine 11.89
North Dakota 11.89
Oregon 11.76
Colorado 11.75
Utah 11.69
Kansas 11.44
Pennsylvania 11.36
Ohio 11.14
Delaware 10.80
Texas 10.50
Virginia 10.46
Vermont 10.37
Wisconsin 9.93
Maryland 9.75
South Dakota 9.47
Washington 9.07
Nebraska 8.99
Illinois 8.67
Iowa 8.19
California 7.89
Minnesota 7.88
New Hampshire 7.03
New Jersey 5.69
Rhode Island 5.33
Connecticut 4.48
New York 4.39
Massachusetts 3.18
Hawaii 2.71

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_d ... s_by_state

*cough* These numbers include among others death as a result of suicide, self-defense and accidents. A list regarding only murders is provided below. *cough*

[Fartsniffage]

Do you have stats on that?

No Link handy, but estimates run 80K to 2.5 million. I tend to believe it i somewhere in the middle. I was wondering if Kesh realizes they happen.

I'd imagine DGU deaths wouldn't be an estimate. Seems like something the government would keep tabs on since, you know, people dying.

[Thermodolia]

*sigh*
That feel when you're a gun owning liberal who's received death threats from conservatives, so you have no idea where you sit

Welcome to the club? Membership you and me? I mean I'm a centrist who gets hate from both sides even though I agree with both of them quite a lot

[Fartsniffage]

I will start this thread off by pointing out that the states with the most gun freedom have the most gun deaths but the states with the least gun freedom have the least gun deaths. Thus meaning that gun control is not only justified but works in the USA

Right... So I guess Chicago is its own state now?

Again.

http://bismarcktribune.com/news/nationa ... 8e.html#30

[Telconi]

No Link handy, but estimates run 80K to 2.5 million. I tend to believe it i somewhere in the middle. I was wondering if Kesh realizes they happen.

I'd imagine DGU deaths wouldn't be an estimate. Seems like something the government would keep tabs on since, you know, people dying.

IDK if they do, it would generally just be people not charhed, or charged and acquitted. Iunnonif LE actually keeps track of how many people are either not charged because of DGU, or acquitted because of DGU.

[Big Jim P]

No Link handy, but estimates run 80K to 2.5 million. I tend to believe it i somewhere in the middle. I was wondering if Kesh realizes they happen.

I'd imagine DGU deaths wouldn't be an estimate. Seems like something the government would keep tabs on since, you know, people dying.

Not all DGUs result in shots fired let alone deaths.

[Holy Tedalonia]

What's there to explain? He says more crime is in gun free regions and most of said cities are democratic and typically hold stricter gun policies

St. Louis has a gun murder rate more than 3 times that of the oft cited Chicago. I'd say that warrants an explanation.

Why is it chigago that's got you concern?

[Telconi]

*sigh*
That feel when you're a gun owning liberal who's received death threats from conservatives, so you have no idea where you sit

Welcome to the club? Membership you and me? I mean I'm a centrist who gets hate from both sides even though I agree with both of them quite a lot

I don't hate you Thermy.

[Telconi]

I'd imagine DGU deaths wouldn't be an estimate. Seems like something the government would keep tabs on since, you know, people dying.

Not all DGUs result in shots fired let alone deaths.

Engages in DGU on more than one occasion. Never fired a shit. Can confirm.

[Fartsniffage]

I'd imagine DGU deaths wouldn't be an estimate. Seems like something the government would keep tabs on since, you know, people dying.

Not all DGUs result in shots fired let alone deaths.

But right now the conversation is about gun deaths and that's what you asked Kesh for stats on. I mean the stats are held for gun suicides and accidents. Why not for self defense?

[Republic of Keshiland]

Do you have stats on that?

No Link handy, but estimates run 80K to 2.5 million. I tend to believe it i somewhere in the middle. I was wondering if Kesh realizes they happen.

No that many DGUs don't happen. If they did then we would have a declining population. Nice try though.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Welcome to the club? Membership you and me? I mean I'm a centrist who gets hate from both sides even though I agree with both of them quite a lot

I don't hate you Thermy.

I don't hate anyone. It my be my passive personality or my autism that could be the result of that. Even my brother who annoys me all the time I don't hate.

[Len Hyet]

No Link handy, but estimates run 80K to 2.5 million. I tend to believe it i somewhere in the middle. I was wondering if Kesh realizes they happen.

No that many DGUs don't happen. If they did then we would have a declining population. Nice try though.

Just because, here is a link to the CDC saying "almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year.”

[Fartsniffage]

St. Louis has a gun murder rate more than 3 times that of the oft cited Chicago. I'd say that warrants an explanation.

Why is it chigago that's got you concern?

Because it's commonly cited as an example of why gun control doesn't work. Mostly because it's a big city and has a high total gun murder rate. I was originally replying to a post using it for exactly that reason.

[Big Jim P]

Not all DGUs result in shots fired let alone deaths.

But right now the conversation is about gun deaths and that's what you asked Kesh for stats on. I mean the stats are held for gun suicides and accidents. Why not for self defense?

Often no shots are fired and no reports are made. Plus, if there are no charges against the defender, why would it be counted?

[Telconi]

But right now the conversation is about gun deaths and that's what you asked Kesh for stats on. I mean the stats are held for gun suicides and accidents. Why not for self defense?

Often no shots are fired and no reports are made. Plus, if there are no charges against the defender, why would it be counted?

Also can confirm, three DGUs myself, no police reports or record ever happened for any of them.

[Big Jim P]

No Link handy, but estimates run 80K to 2.5 million. I tend to believe it i somewhere in the middle. I was wondering if Kesh realizes they happen.

No that many DGUs don't happen. If they did then we would have a declining population. Nice try though.

Missed the " not all DGUs result in shots fired, let alone deaths" did you?

[Holy Tedalonia]

Why is it chigago that's got you concern?

Because it's commonly cited as an example of why gun control doesn't work. Mostly because it's a big city and has a high total gun murder rate. I was originally replying to a post using it for exactly that reason.

I would use Baltimore, because all the toxic political drama there as a example IF I could not offend anybody in the process. I'd rather just look at the number of cities that have high crime and strict or not strict gun control for a more accurate estimate.

[Telconi]

Because it's commonly cited as an example of why gun control doesn't work. Mostly because it's a big city and has a high total gun murder rate. I was originally replying to a post using it for exactly that reason.

I would use Baltimore, because all the toxic political drama there as a example IF I could not offend anybody in the process. I'd rather just look at the number of cities that have high crime and strict or not strict gun control for a more accurate estimate.

Lol @ Baltimore. Because Kesh seems to think MD is some crime free paradise.

[Fartsniffage]

But right now the conversation is about gun deaths and that's what you asked Kesh for stats on. I mean the stats are held for gun suicides and accidents. Why not for self defense?

Often no shots are fired and no reports are made. Plus, if there are no charges against the defender, why would it be counted?

You asked for stats on gun deaths due to DGU. That means that shots were fired and someone died. I'm not sure what part of this you're finding difficult to get?

[Telconi]

I don't hate you Thermy.

I don't hate anyone. It my be my passive personality or my autism that could be the result of that. Even my brother who annoys me all the time I don't hate.

Autistic brofist!

[The Two Jerseys]

No Link handy, but estimates run 80K to 2.5 million. I tend to believe it i somewhere in the middle. I was wondering if Kesh realizes they happen.

No that many DGUs don't happen. If they did then we would have a declining population. Nice try though.

...said the person posting "statistics" that make Alaska sound 7 times more dangerous than it actually is.