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Dunno/Not sure/Not American and I think that matters
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Nah, you're crazy. Guns should be more restricted.
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Nah, you're crazy. Guns should be less restricted.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:51 pm

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Zyr and Pony wrote:No, it's like the people with a pro-gun fetish have a fetish for rebelling against the government when it does things they don't like.

Funny, I've never heard about the NFA Rebellion of 1934, or the GCA Rebellion of 1968, or the Hughes Amendment Rebellion of 1986, or the AWB Rebellion of 1994...


You could certainly say there's a rebellion of sorts over those, given the trend of noncompliance and all that.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:52 pm

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Cal-Exit ring a fucking bell?

As it's literally just that.


I wish Calexit happened.


As do I.

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Postby Zyr and Pony » Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:52 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Zyr and Pony wrote:No, it's like the people with a pro-gun fetish have a fetish for rebelling against the government when it does things they don't like.

To be fair this country was founded with people rebelling against a govt because of things they didn't like.


And crushed a rebellion that formed because the (the rebels) feared they (the federal gov't) would do things they didn't like. Your point?
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:52 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Funny, I've never heard about the NFA Rebellion of 1934, or the GCA Rebellion of 1968, or the Hughes Amendment Rebellion of 1986, or the AWB Rebellion of 1994...


You could certainly say there's a rebellion of sorts over those, given the trend of noncompliance and all that.


You could even go so far as to say that it was even a peaceful protest of sorts, which makes the irony that much more enjoyable considering the "River of Blood" mantra that gets paraded around.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:54 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I wish Calexit happened.


As do I.


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Side note...

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Best gun control this country could possibly ask for.

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:00 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:Side note...

Colion Noir POTUS, 2020!

Best gun control this country could possibly ask for.

That reminds me, I haven't checked out his YouTube vids lately...
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:02 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:Side note...

Colion Noir POTUS, 2020!

Best gun control this country could possibly ask for.

That reminds me, I haven't checked out his YouTube vids lately...


Good stuff as always.

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:05 pm

Zyr and Pony wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:To be fair this country was founded with people rebelling against a govt because of things they didn't like.


And crushed a rebellion that formed because the (the rebels) feared they (the federal gov't) would do things they didn't like. Your point?

Did you miss the founded part? I.E. the war for INDEPENDENCE.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:06 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Zyr and Pony wrote:
And crushed a rebellion that formed because the (the rebels) feared they (the federal gov't) would do things they didn't like. Your point?

Did you miss the founded part? I.E. the war of INDEPENDENCE.


That was over two hundred years ago, and clearly has no relevance on the current topic at hand.

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Postby Pimps Inc » Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:08 pm

It drives me up a fucking wall how the news just oggle and drool over the dimwitted statement from Sheriff Israel “If you’re not opposing guns, you’re opposing kids” or whatever but then “Hey why didn’t your Department act on the 39 tips and red flags on Cruz?” gets fucking crickets.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:10 pm

Pimps Inc wrote:It drives me up a fucking wall how the news just oggle and drool over the dimwitted statement from Sheriff Israel “If you’re not opposing guns, you’re opposing kids” or whatever but then “Hey why didn’t your Department act on the 39 tips and red flags on Cruz?” gets fucking crickets.

Agreed. I can't even watch the news it's wall to wall with such inane statements.

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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:10 pm

Pimps Inc wrote:It drives me up a fucking wall how the news just oggle and drool over the dimwitted statement from Sheriff Israel “If you’re not opposing guns, you’re opposing kids” or whatever but then “Hey why didn’t your Department act on the 39 tips and red flags on Cruz?” gets fucking crickets.


You are not alone on that front.

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:11 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:That reminds me, I haven't checked out his YouTube vids lately...


Good stuff as always.

I'd vote for the guy.
I think his latest vid he posted, dealt with putting armed people in the schools.

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Postby Zyr and Pony » Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:12 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Zyr and Pony wrote:
And crushed a rebellion that formed because the (the rebels) feared they (the federal gov't) would do things they didn't like. Your point?

Did you miss the founded part? I.E. the war for INDEPENDENCE.


And the Confederacy also declared independence. What's your point?

You can't cite the revolutionary war's reasons for happening, while ignoring the civil war's very similar reasons for happening (protecting what they think is their rights)

Edit: technically, the confederacy also FOUNDED a nation, with a constitution and everything. So you sound ridiculous

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:Did you miss the founded part? I.E. the war of INDEPENDENCE.


That was over two hundred years ago, and clearly has no relevance on the current topic at hand.

*Nod Nod*


Honest question, what does it have to do with the topic at hand?

And you never responded to my response to your ancient videos, noting that I said a MAJORITY of gun control advocates don't support banning all guns, so save your snark.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:16 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Good stuff as always.

I'd vote for the guy.
I think his latest vid he posted, dealt with putting armed people in the schools.

Yeah I’m very uncomfortable with that solution
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:16 pm

Zyr and Pony wrote:And you never responded to my response to your ancient videos...


Once again, I clearly did. You just choose to ignore it cause you didn't like it.

You do realize, that all those people are still in fucking office, right?

So it doesn't fucking matter when the interviews were taken, as the original point still stands as they are still trying to enact their draconian laws into existence.

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Postby Telconi » Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:19 pm

Zyr and Pony wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:Did you miss the founded part? I.E. the war for INDEPENDENCE.


And the Confederacy also declared independence. What's your point?

You can't cite the revolutionary war's reasons for happening, while ignoring the civil war's very similar reasons for happening (protecting what they think is their rights)

Edit: technically, the confederacy also FOUNDED a nation, with a constitution and everything. So you sound ridiculous

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
That was over two hundred years ago, and clearly has no relevance on the current topic at hand.

*Nod Nod*


Honest question, what does it have to do with the topic at hand?

And you never responded to my response to your ancient videos, noting that I said a MAJORITY of gun control advocates don't support banning all guns, so save your snark.


Well the Confederacy done goofed...
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:24 pm

Zyr and Pony wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:Did you miss the founded part? I.E. the war for INDEPENDENCE.


And the Confederacy also declared independence. What's your point?

You can't cite the revolutionary war's reasons for happening, while ignoring the civil war's very similar reasons for happening (protecting what they think is their rights)

Edit: technically, the confederacy also FOUNDED a nation, with a constitution and everything. So you sound ridiculous

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
That was over two hundred years ago, and clearly has no relevance on the current topic at hand.

*Nod Nod*


Honest question, what does it have to do with the topic at hand?

And you never responded to my response to your ancient videos, noting that I said a MAJORITY of gun control advocates don't support banning all guns, so save your snark.


I didn't realize I needed to conform to your acceptable list of historical wars to list, I merely chose the most relevant and important instance of rebelling against a govt over things people didn't like, and yes I can cite just the revolutionary war.

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Postby Gig em Aggies » Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:33 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:That reminds me, I haven't checked out his YouTube vids lately...


Good stuff as always.

I'd vote for him now after I looked him up after you guys mentioned him I laughed at one of the videos here https://youtu.be/m2cXChSsd2k where he said our schools should look like th X-Men academy.
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:35 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:I'd vote for the guy.
I think his latest vid he posted, dealt with putting armed people in the schools.

Yeah I’m very uncomfortable with that solution

Well at least it's better then leaving the school "naked"
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:35 pm

Justice Clarence Thomas is not happy.
Clarence Thomas rips high court's decision not to hear case challenging California gun law: Second Amendment is 'disfavored right'
Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas criticized the high court after the justices denied a petition to hear a case challenging a California law requiring a 10-day waiting period for gun sales, saying the Second Amendment is a “disfavored right” and the Supreme Court’s “constitutional orphan.”


Sounds like he's more than ready to slap down these abuses at the state level.

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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:36 pm

Gig em Aggies wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Yeah I’m very uncomfortable with that solution

Well at least it's better then leaving the school "naked"

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I really don’t think making it feel more like a prison would help
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:37 pm

Gig em Aggies wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Good stuff as always.

I'd vote for him now after I looked him up after you guys mentioned him I laughed at one of the videos here https://youtu.be/m2cXChSsd2k where he said our schools should look like th X-Men academy.


Yeah :p

I'd spend a little time going over his video's in depth. The guy is a very smart and intelligent individual with a knack for telling it how it is.

Plus his shooting videos and reviews are good as well.

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Postby Zyr and Pony » Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:38 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Zyr and Pony wrote:And you never responded to my response to your ancient videos...


Once again, I clearly did. You just choose to ignore it cause you didn't like it.

You do realize, that all those people are still in fucking office, right?

So it doesn't fucking matter when the interviews were taken, as the original point still stands as they are still trying to enact their draconian laws into existence.


What office does Holder hold? Because far as I can tell, he's not in office

And can you link to any bills they proposed in the past, say, five years (to overlap with the Obama years), that would do what they advocated in the videos in the 90s?

If not, then they're not actively trying to do that.

And no, you didn't. Gig em did, however.

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Zyr and Pony wrote:
1. From 1995. Not relevant to the modern debate.
2. One politician, hardly a majority.



1. From 1995 AGAIN. Not relevant to the modern debate AGAIN.
2. One politician AGAIN. Hardly a majority AGAIN.

[qoute]Now......


1. When is that from? At least four years ago, according to the comments.
2. One politician AGAIN. Hardly a majority AGAIN

We LITERALLY have the people spearheading the Anti campaign here in America advocating for and/or hinting at total confiscation, firearm bans, or both.


These videos don't showe a majority as you keep insisting they do, just three politicians saying something like that. Own up to your bullshit now.


Pot meet kettle.

I find it funny that your bitching about him using actual sources from the year 1995 and from YouTube videos funny because you stated you use wiki which.....guess what can be fucking altered on a dime and anyone can write anything in them even professors from accredited 4 year universities won't let you use wiki as a reliable source in a college paper.[/quote]

And extensively cites its own sources. If you don't like Wikipedia, then just check the sources it cites (plus they have strict policies that are routinely enforced, including on sourcing, or can hyou show me where Wikipedia is citing shit or making shit up, sans citation needed tag, which lets you know to take a claim with a grain of salt?. Also, unless you can show that they've been proposing bills like that (or even advocating that) lately (five years), the relevance is minimal. The gun debate changed radically post-Columbine, IIRC, and Columbine was in 1999. It hasn't stopped changing since then. Prove otherwise.

BTW, not a youtube video from 95, but a poll from yesterday: https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-de ... aseID=2521

And the historical trend: http://news.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx

You're in the minority, now, and i wouldn't be surprised if this leads to new regulations in the next ten years simply because Millenials and Gen Z are getting loud post Stoneman Douglas.

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Zyr and Pony wrote:
And the Confederacy also declared independence. What's your point?

You can't cite the revolutionary war's reasons for happening, while ignoring the civil war's very similar reasons for happening (protecting what they think is their rights)

Edit: technically, the confederacy also FOUNDED a nation, with a constitution and everything. So you sound ridiculous



Honest question, what does it have to do with the topic at hand?

And you never responded to my response to your ancient videos, noting that I said a MAJORITY of gun control advocates don't support banning all guns, so save your snark.


I didn't realize I needed to conform to your acceptable list of historical wars to list, I merely chose the most relevant and important instance of rebelling against a govt over things people didn't like, and yes I can cite just the revolutionary war.


I didn't realize you were the sole arbiter of what rebellions on American soil count when talking about rebellions on American soil and rebelions over loss of percieved rights.

Okay then, explain why the Civil war isn't relevant, but the Revolutionary war is.
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