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Dunno/Not sure/Not American and I think that matters
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Nah, you're crazy. Guns should be more restricted.
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Postby Wysten » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:50 pm

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Grand Kiwi island wrote:You know what else is extremely fucking stupid your ideas and your opinions you along with Keshi have shown nothing but a complete disregard of the constitution and disdain for freedom as well as a lack of common sense to understand that your ideas are bad and unlawful.


We're so free that we live in fear of our neighbors. Such lovely freedom. :^)

Meanwhile Europe has next to no mass shootings but I guess apparently democracies and republics are secretly dictatorships unless you have an AR-15.

Europe =/= America please come back when you have an argument.
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Postby Len Hyet » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:51 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Grand Kiwi island wrote:You know what else is extremely fucking stupid your ideas and your opinions you along with Keshi have shown nothing but a complete disregard of the constitution and disdain for freedom as well as a lack of common sense to understand that your ideas are bad and unlawful.


We're so free that we live in fear of our neighbors. Such lovely freedom. :^)

Meanwhile Europe has next to no mass shootings but I guess apparently democracies and republics are secretly dictatorships unless you have an AR-15.

The US has fewer mass shooting deaths per capita than Norway, Serbia, France, Macedonia, Albania, Slovakia, Switzerland, Finland, Belgium, and Czechia. We also have fewer Mass shootings per capita than Macedonia, Albania, Serbia, Switzerland, Norway, Slovakia, Finland, Belgium, Austria, the Czech Republic, and France. From the same link.
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Postby Grand Kiwi island » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:51 pm

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Na, it's a fun hobby. It's nice to be able to build your own lower or something.


Yeah, but it's extremely fucking stupid. That's just making it extremely easy for criminals and gangs to supply themselves with high-quality shit and maybe even full-auto weaponry.

You obviously don't know how criminal gangs work otherwise you would know that no matter how hard a government tries to keep them from getting weaponry the gangs always get weaponry.

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:51 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Grand Kiwi island wrote:You know what else is extremely fucking stupid your ideas and your opinions you along with Keshi have shown nothing but a complete disregard of the constitution and disdain for freedom as well as a lack of common sense to understand that your ideas are bad and unlawful.


We're so free that we live in fear of our neighbors. Such lovely freedom. :^)

Meanwhile Europe has next to no mass shootings but I guess apparently democracies and republics are secretly dictatorships unless you have an AR-15.

And Europe is so free that they live in fear of people with trucks. Such lovely freedom.
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Postby Germanic Templars » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:54 pm

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Torrocca wrote:
We're so free that we live in fear of our neighbors. Such lovely freedom. :^)

Meanwhile Europe has next to no mass shootings but I guess apparently democracies and republics are secretly dictatorships unless you have an AR-15.

And Europe is so free that they live in fear of people with trucks. Such lovely freedom.

Or bombs, or acid, or knives, or....

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Postby Torrocca » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:54 pm

Wysten wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
We're so free that we live in fear of our neighbors. Such lovely freedom. :^)

Meanwhile Europe has next to no mass shootings but I guess apparently democracies and republics are secretly dictatorships unless you have an AR-15.

Europe =/= America please come back when you have an argument.


America's pretty culturally similar to lots of Europe, what with the liberalism and the democracy and whatnot. Except with gun culture.

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
We're so free that we live in fear of our neighbors. Such lovely freedom. :^)

Meanwhile Europe has next to no mass shootings but I guess apparently democracies and republics are secretly dictatorships unless you have an AR-15.

And Europe is so free that they live in fear of people with trucks. Such lovely freedom.


There's only been, what? Two, three truck attacks?

And don't forget, we had our own here, up in New York. :^)

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Torrocca wrote:
We're so free that we live in fear of our neighbors. Such lovely freedom. :^)

Meanwhile Europe has next to no mass shootings but I guess apparently democracies and republics are secretly dictatorships unless you have an AR-15.

The US has fewer mass shooting deaths per capita than Norway, Serbia, France, Macedonia, Albania, Slovakia, Switzerland, Finland, Belgium, and Czechia. We also have fewer Mass shootings per capita than Macedonia, Albania, Serbia, Switzerland, Norway, Slovakia, Finland, Belgium, Austria, the Czech Republic, and France. From the same link.


Yet we have a larger number of mass shootings. Norway only had one in 2011. The rest of those countries have had, I believe at most, one or two.

Come back to me when they have 5-6 mass shootings yearly.
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Postby Wysten » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:57 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Wysten wrote:Europe =/= America please come back when you have an argument.


America's pretty culturally similar to lots of Europe, what with the liberalism and the democracy and whatnot. Except with gun culture.

Did you just say America is culturally same with Europe?
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Postby Len Hyet » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:57 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Len Hyet wrote:The US has fewer mass shooting deaths per capita than Norway, Serbia, France, Macedonia, Albania, Slovakia, Switzerland, Finland, Belgium, and Czechia. We also have fewer Mass shootings per capita than Macedonia, Albania, Serbia, Switzerland, Norway, Slovakia, Finland, Belgium, Austria, the Czech Republic, and France. From the same link.


Yet we have a larger number of mass shootings. Norway only had one in 2011. The rest of those countries have had, I believe at most, one or two.

Come back to me when they have 5-6 mass shootings yearly.

"The fact that our country has many times the number of people in those countries doesn't matter because feels"

Alrighty then. I mean, I just showed you that per capita, you know, the only meaningful way of comparing countries with drastically different populations, the US has fewer mass shootings than many European countries with their strict gun laws. But whatever I guess.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:57 pm

Also daily reminder that the much vaunted example of Australian gun control likely didn't do anything :^)
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Postby Torrocca » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:59 pm

Wysten wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
America's pretty culturally similar to lots of Europe, what with the liberalism and the democracy and whatnot. Except with gun culture.

Did you just say America is culturally same with Europe?


Similar =/= same.

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Torrocca wrote:
Yet we have a larger number of mass shootings. Norway only had one in 2011. The rest of those countries have had, I believe at most, one or two.

Come back to me when they have 5-6 mass shootings yearly.

"The fact that our country has many times the number of people in those countries doesn't matter because feels"

Alrighty then. I mean, I just showed you that per capita, you know, the only meaningful way of comparing countries with drastically different populations, the US has fewer mass shootings than many European countries with their strict gun laws. But whatever I guess.


Even if we go by the per capita example showing that Norway somehow has more mass shootings than the USA, European countries have had fewer deaths from mass shootings than the USA has had overall.
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Postby Len Hyet » Sun Feb 18, 2018 1:00 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Wysten wrote:Did you just say America is culturally same with Europe?


Similar =/= same.

Len Hyet wrote:"The fact that our country has many times the number of people in those countries doesn't matter because feels"

Alrighty then. I mean, I just showed you that per capita, you know, the only meaningful way of comparing countries with drastically different populations, the US has fewer mass shootings than many European countries with their strict gun laws. But whatever I guess.


Even if we go by the per capita example showing that Norway somehow has more mass shootings than the USA, European countries have had fewer deaths from mass shootings than the USA has had overall.

Mm, per capita the majority of them have had more, even excluding Norway.
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Postby Torrocca » Sun Feb 18, 2018 1:00 pm

Len Hyet wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Similar =/= same.



Even if we go by the per capita example showing that Norway somehow has more mass shootings than the USA, European countries have had fewer deaths from mass shootings than the USA has had overall.

Mm, per capita the majority of them have had more, even excluding Norway.


And realistically they've had less.
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Postby Len Hyet » Sun Feb 18, 2018 1:02 pm

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Len Hyet wrote:Mm, per capita the majority of them have had more, even excluding Norway.


And realistically they've had less.

Yes, a country smaller than the US has a smaller number of mass shootings. They also have fewer homicides, car accidents, and cats. That's what happens when one country is much larger than another, everything scales up.

Next you're going to tell me that the US has a larger GDP than France.
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Postby Torrocca » Sun Feb 18, 2018 1:05 pm

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Torrocca wrote:
And realistically they've had less.

Yes, a country smaller than the US has a smaller number of mass shootings. They also have fewer homicides, car accidents, and cats. That's what happens when one country is much larger than another, everything scales up.

Next you're going to tell me that the US has a larger GDP than France.


China and India both also have a larger population than the USA, but far fewer mass-murders. Really activates those almonds.
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Postby The Forever Whatever People » Sun Feb 18, 2018 1:07 pm

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Len Hyet wrote:Mm, per capita the majority of them have had more, even excluding Norway.


And realistically they've had less.

Maybe in your imagination land but out here in the real world they have had more let's put it this way. If I had two island nations one island has a 1000 people living there the other has 500 living there and each island had 100 people die in a mass shooting the rate of deaths from mass shootings on the island with 1000 is 10% now the rate on the island with 500 would be around 20%. You see if you have a smaller population your percentage is higher even though you have less shootings per year so your wrong.

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Postby Len Hyet » Sun Feb 18, 2018 1:07 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Len Hyet wrote:Yes, a country smaller than the US has a smaller number of mass shootings. They also have fewer homicides, car accidents, and cats. That's what happens when one country is much larger than another, everything scales up.

Next you're going to tell me that the US has a larger GDP than France.


China and India both also have a larger population than the USA, but far fewer mass-murders. Really activates those almonds.

China is a dictatorship that oppresses its own people to the point of genuine horror and India is a third world country.

Not exactly ringing endorsements there.
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Postby Wysten » Sun Feb 18, 2018 1:08 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Len Hyet wrote:Yes, a country smaller than the US has a smaller number of mass shootings. They also have fewer homicides, car accidents, and cats. That's what happens when one country is much larger than another, everything scales up.

Next you're going to tell me that the US has a larger GDP than France.


China and India both also have a larger population than the USA, but far fewer. Really activates those almonds.

So the Great Leap forward didn't happen or the cultural revolution or Tianaman Square if anything that gives a reason to keep our guns to prevent stuff like that happening.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Feb 18, 2018 1:08 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Len Hyet wrote:Yes, a country smaller than the US has a smaller number of mass shootings. They also have fewer homicides, car accidents, and cats. That's what happens when one country is much larger than another, everything scales up.

Next you're going to tell me that the US has a larger GDP than France.


China and India both also have a larger population than the USA, but far fewer mass-murders. Really activates those almonds.

China is a ruthless dictatorship and India has far fewer freedoms than the US. Both are also culturally distinct from the west.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun Feb 18, 2018 1:08 pm

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The Two Jerseys wrote:And Europe is so free that they live in fear of people with trucks. Such lovely freedom.


There's only been, what? Two, three truck attacks?

And don't forget, we had our own here, up in New York. :^)

8 people killed and 11 injured by a truck in NYC.

Versus 86/458 in Nice, 12/56 in Berlin, 5/49 in London, 5/14 in Stockholm, 8/48 in London again, 16/152 in Barcelona...
Len Hyet wrote:The US has fewer mass shooting deaths per capita than Norway, Serbia, France, Macedonia, Albania, Slovakia, Switzerland, Finland, Belgium, and Czechia. We also have fewer Mass shootings per capita than Macedonia, Albania, Serbia, Switzerland, Norway, Slovakia, Finland, Belgium, Austria, the Czech Republic, and France. From the same link.


Yet we have a larger number of mass shootings. Norway only had one in 2011. The rest of those countries have had, I believe at most, one or two.

Come back to me when they have 5-6 mass shootings yearly.

And your point? You're still more likely to be a mass shooting victim in Europe than in America.
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Postby Torrocca » Sun Feb 18, 2018 1:08 pm

Len Hyet wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
China and India both also have a larger population than the USA, but far fewer mass-murders. Really activates those almonds.

China is a dictatorship that oppresses its own people to the point of genuine horror and India is a third world country.

Not exactly ringing endorsements there.


Really gets you thinking when India's a third world country but has fewer mass murders than a first world country like the USA.
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Postby The Forever Whatever People » Sun Feb 18, 2018 1:08 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Len Hyet wrote:Yes, a country smaller than the US has a smaller number of mass shootings. They also have fewer homicides, car accidents, and cats. That's what happens when one country is much larger than another, everything scales up.

Next you're going to tell me that the US has a larger GDP than France.


China and India both also have a larger population than the USA, but far fewer mass-murders. Really activates those almonds.

Your funny why because you refuse to acknowledge all those mass stabbing attacks that killed far more people yet you keep dreaming that China or even India has less mass murders.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Feb 18, 2018 1:10 pm

From a quick glance over at Wiki India has an awful lot of massacres.
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Postby Len Hyet » Sun Feb 18, 2018 1:10 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Len Hyet wrote:China is a dictatorship that oppresses its own people to the point of genuine horror and India is a third world country.

Not exactly ringing endorsements there.


Really gets you thinking when India's a third world country but has fewer mass murders than a first world country like the USA.

You're welcome to try their definition of standard of living if you're so curious.
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Postby Torrocca » Sun Feb 18, 2018 1:11 pm

Wysten wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
China and India both also have a larger population than the USA, but far fewer. Really activates those almonds.

So the Great Leap forward didn't happen or the cultural revolution or Tianaman Square if anything that gives a reason to keep our guns to prevent stuff like that happening.


The Great Leap forward was the greatest mass-shooting in history, obviously. *nods*

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Torrocca wrote:
China and India both also have a larger population than the USA, but far fewer mass-murders. Really activates those almonds.

Your funny why because you refuse to acknowledge all those mass stabbing attacks that killed far more people yet you keep dreaming that China or even India has less mass murders.


You're more likely to survive a knife attack than a gun attack. Remember those twenty schoolkids in China a few years back that got attacked with a knife at school? They all got to go home, alive. Now look at Parkland, where seventeen people got shot. Did they get to go home? No, because they died.
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Postby Wysten » Sun Feb 18, 2018 1:11 pm

I nominate Len Hyet for Patron Saint of the Gun Control thread.
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