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Yeah, mostly, seems agreeable.
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Dunno/Not sure/Not American and I think that matters
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6%
Nah, you're crazy. Guns should be more restricted.
187
26%
Nah, you're crazy. Guns should be less restricted.
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JC Christ CM come back when the meds wear off
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Grinning Dragon
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:52 am

Gig em Aggies wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:I'd like to try a .500 Beowulf.

Hope you like shoulder pain :p https://youtu.be/kUhU-ypDyus

That just makes me want one even more. :lol:

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Postby Gig em Aggies » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:53 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Gig em Aggies wrote:Hope you like shoulder pain :p https://youtu.be/kUhU-ypDyus

That just makes me want one even more. :lol:

Didn't you hear torroca your a heartless monster so no you can't have one. :lol2:
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Postby Pimps Inc » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:54 am

Gig em Aggies wrote:
Pimps Inc wrote:Lmao, ok. I guess once the 500k plan fails, this will totally work.

It's also not like the rebels will just go south of the border and buy there guns for even cheaper.

Achsually...

Drug cartels get most of their weaponry from the arsenal and inventory of the Mexican military(through corruption) and from buying guns in the United States and then illegally modifying them.
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No way.

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Postby Big Jim P » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:55 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
My next two will be a .500 Beowulf and a 5.7x28mm AR57. Eventually I'll get a .300 Blackout.

I'd like to try a .500 Beowulf.


I want to put the 57 upper on a gun-grabber compliant lower for a low-profile rifle.

I am also considering the .458 SOCOM, .17 Remington and .204 Ruger ARs.
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Grinning Dragon
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:56 am

Gig em Aggies wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:That just makes me want one even more. :lol:

Didn't you hear torroca your a heartless monster so no you can't have one. :lol2:

:lol2:
And I'm use to being called that by the ol lady, so it falls on deaf ears.

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Grinning Dragon
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:58 am

Pimps Inc wrote:
Gig em Aggies wrote:It's also not like the rebels will just go south of the border and buy there guns for even cheaper.

Achsually...

Drug cartels get most of their weaponry from the arsenal and inventory of the Mexican military(through corruption) and from the ATF in the United States and then illegally modifying them.

FTFY in the bolded :p
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Postby Pimps Inc » Sun Feb 18, 2018 1:00 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Pimps Inc wrote:Achsually...

Drug cartels get most of their weaponry from the arsenal and inventory of the Mexican military(through corruption) and from ATF in the United States and then illegally modifying them.

FTFY in the bolded :p

As much as I like a good meme on the ATF, it was later found only a minute fraction of guns were not recovered and stayed in the hands of criminals.

Still, they shouldn’t be gunrunning like retards because they made no significant arrests.
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Risottia wrote:
United States of White America wrote:Although Nietzsche was a god-fearing atheist and his quote is positive, I believe it is negative. I think God has died because of our corrupt, open society, where there is no objective sense of right and wrong. Instead, I propose to resurrect God and avenge him.


No way.

When we meet aliens from outer space, we'll yell:

We poison our air and water to weed out the weak!
We set off fission bombs in our only biosphere!
We nailed our god to a stick!
Don't fuck with the human race!

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Postby Manokan Republic » Sun Feb 18, 2018 2:37 am

For some input, the Ak-47, the most ubiquitous gun in the world, and of which there are over 100 million of, is the predominant illegal gun used in Mexico. Guns from further down south in South America and in Africa, largely from the soviet union, are the main source of illegal guns in Mexico, and to a lesser extent, the U.S. Chinese copy cats are perhaps the most ubiquitous source for handguns in the U.S. and other countries, where as larger weapons tend to be soviet weapons, like Ak-47's, RPG-7's and russian .50 caliber machine guns.

By virtue of the U.S. not making these guns but rather communist countries like Russia and China, the weapons of the cartels, Russian mafia and so on can really mostly be blamed on the communists, rather than America.
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:42 am

Germanic Templars wrote:Oh yes, cunt, how the left shill over her. Slate, Huffing(glue)post, CNN... A little wave of the hand, really. If anything her speech was quite ignorant and emotion filled; blinding her really.

Germanic Templars wrote:And again, dummy, what is stopping that number from changing? I mean, it has been almost a year since the survey was conducted.

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Postby Kernen » Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:27 am

NewLiberalParty wrote:The same people who are for guns are also for police executing people for having a gun. Like make up your mind either you think owning a gun should be a right and thus a suspect having a gun should not be an excuse for police to shoot or you think guns are not a right and police should be justified in shooting if said suspect has a gun.

Also you apparently think your right to own a gun is important enough to make K graders now have to go thought school shooting drills. Students litterally now have to worry about being killed in school and parent now have to worry about their child being killed at school.


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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Feb 18, 2018 6:16 am

Torrocca wrote:
Germanic Templars wrote:
I am pretty sure they are more mad about the lack of action that could have prevented this, and no, removing the gun was not the issue. Information on the shooter was known months in advance (much like the Dishonorable Chair Force guy who shot at the church).


They're also mad about the gun. Did you not see the Emma Gonzalez speech that's been making rounds across news channels?

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Postby NewLiberalParty » Sun Feb 18, 2018 6:20 am

Simple ban guns in 49 states and only allow guns in Texas. All the gun owners move to Texas and the rest of the country becomes as safe as Europe Canada new Zealand and Australia

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Feb 18, 2018 6:24 am

NewLiberalParty wrote:Simple ban guns in 49 states and only allow guns in Texas. All the gun owners move to Texas and the rest of the country becomes as safe as Europe Canada new Zealand and Australia


Australian gun control (the National Firearms Agreement) didn't have any large impacts on firearms homicide rates or suicides.
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Postby NewLiberalParty » Sun Feb 18, 2018 6:28 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
NewLiberalParty wrote:Simple ban guns in 49 states and only allow guns in Texas. All the gun owners move to Texas and the rest of the country becomes as safe as Europe Canada new Zealand and Australia


Australian gun control (the National Firearms Agreement) didn't have any large impacts on firearms homicide rates or suicides.


They stopped having mass shootings. That is a massive improvement.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Feb 18, 2018 6:28 am

NewLiberalParty wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Australian gun control (the National Firearms Agreement) didn't have any large impacts on firearms homicide rates or suicides.


They stopped having mass shootings. That is a massive improvement.


Mass murder still occurs in Australia, and if we use the same definition that gun control proponents here use they've had several mass shootings since.
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Postby NewLiberalParty » Sun Feb 18, 2018 6:30 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
NewLiberalParty wrote:
They stopped having mass shootings. That is a massive improvement.


Mass murder still occurs in Australia, and if we use the same definition that gun control proponents here use they've had several mass shootings since.


They have a 1.0 murder rate we have a 4.5 murder rate, Clearly what they have done works.

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Postby Bakery Hill » Sun Feb 18, 2018 6:31 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
NewLiberalParty wrote:Simple ban guns in 49 states and only allow guns in Texas. All the gun owners move to Texas and the rest of the country becomes as safe as Europe Canada new Zealand and Australia


Australian gun control (the National Firearms Agreement) didn't have any large impacts on firearms homicide rates or suicides.

Here's a good article on the matter.
Mr Howard's claim is not cut and dried.

Data from the Australian Institute of Criminology shows the rate of homicide victims dying from a gunshot wound has dropped since the reforms came into force, but not consistently in every year.

ABS data indicates the rate of assault by firearm causing death has also declined since the reforms, but not in every year.

Data from the ABS also indicates the rate of suicide by firearm fell by 67 per cent from 2.1 deaths per 100,000 of the population in 1996 to 0.7 deaths in 2014.

However, experts consulted by Fact Check said the impact of Mr Howard's reforms on those declines is debatable.

Some research argues the reforms did not significantly influence firearm homicide rates or already falling rates of firearm suicide.

Other research argues the reforms accelerated the rates of decline, with one study suggesting firearm suicides dropped by 74 per cent from the 1990-95 average following the buyback scheme.

While it is accurate for Mr Howard to assert that gun-related homicides and suicides have dropped since his reforms were implemented, there is more to it.

Studies on the impacts of his reforms have come to varied conclusions and experts contacted by Fact Check said other factors would have influenced the drops, even though the reforms are likely to form part of the story.


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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Feb 18, 2018 6:34 am

NewLiberalParty wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Mass murder still occurs in Australia, and if we use the same definition that gun control proponents here use they've had several mass shootings since.


They have a 1.0 murder rate we have a 4.5 murder rate, Clearly what they have done works.


They don't have nearly as rampant a war on drugs and extreme endemic poverty in urban areas (at least that I'm aware of, though I've heard lots of horror stories regarding treatment of the Aboriginals and such), yes.
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Postby NewLiberalParty » Sun Feb 18, 2018 6:49 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
NewLiberalParty wrote:
They have a 1.0 murder rate we have a 4.5 murder rate, Clearly what they have done works.


They don't have nearly as rampant a war on drugs and extreme endemic poverty in urban areas (at least that I'm aware of, though I've heard lots of horror stories regarding treatment of the Aboriginals and such), yes.


All of which one party wishes to prolong and one wishes to end but the gun supporters care more about their guns so vote for the Party that keeps the drug war and keeps making poverty worse in this country.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Feb 18, 2018 6:51 am

NewLiberalParty wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
They don't have nearly as rampant a war on drugs and extreme endemic poverty in urban areas (at least that I'm aware of, though I've heard lots of horror stories regarding treatment of the Aboriginals and such), yes.


All of which one party wishes to prolong and one wishes to end but the gun supporters care more about their guns so vote for the Party that keeps the drug war and keeps making poverty worse in this country.


Places that have been electing Democrats for 50 years suffer the worst endemic poverty and neither party is doing anything on drugs. Obama could have ended a big part of the war on drugs (marijuana) with a single swipe of the pen and never did.
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Postby NewLiberalParty » Sun Feb 18, 2018 6:57 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
NewLiberalParty wrote:
All of which one party wishes to prolong and one wishes to end but the gun supporters care more about their guns so vote for the Party that keeps the drug war and keeps making poverty worse in this country.


Places that have been electing Democrats for 50 years suffer the worst endemic poverty and neither party is doing anything on drugs. Obama could have ended a big part of the war on drugs (marijuana) with a single swipe of the pen and never did.


He did do that, he told the DOJ to stop enforcing Drug laws on a federal level. Then He who shall not be named wants to undo that. Its well known that Democrat controlled states are richer and better off then republican states. Cities that have banned guns have guns have guns pour in from republican controlled areas who don't care about trying to stop them.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:00 am

NewLiberalParty wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Places that have been electing Democrats for 50 years suffer the worst endemic poverty and neither party is doing anything on drugs. Obama could have ended a big part of the war on drugs (marijuana) with a single swipe of the pen and never did.


He did do that, he told the DOJ to stop enforcing Drug laws on a federal level. Then He who shall not be named wants to undo that. Its well known that Democrat controlled states are richer and better off then republican states. Cities that have banned guns have guns pour in from republican controlled areas who don't care about trying to stop them.


He never made the DEA remove marijuana from schedule 1, anything less than that was lip service that was never meant to last.

Most guns in places like Chicago come from Chicago itself, incidents like this are becoming more common.
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Postby NewLiberalParty » Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:08 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
NewLiberalParty wrote:
He did do that, he told the DOJ to stop enforcing Drug laws on a federal level. Then He who shall not be named wants to undo that. Its well known that Democrat controlled states are richer and better off then republican states. Cities that have banned guns have guns pour in from republican controlled areas who don't care about trying to stop them.


He never made the DEA remove marijuana from schedule 1, anything less than that was lip service that was never meant to last.

Most guns in places like Chicago come from Chicago itself, incidents like this are becoming more common.


Obama stopped inforcing drug laws Trump is willing to start again
Obama tried to get UHC Trump tried to kick millions off of health care
Obama stopped the mentally ill from getting guns, Trump allowed them to get guns again

There is a clear devide between the 2 parties. One party is for the people and making life safer and better and you know actually doing something about guns and the other is the exact opposite.

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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:16 am

Sovaal wrote:
Wysten wrote:I can make a redneckian bump stock out of a belt should we ban assault belts?

Ban pants, back to our kilts!

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Postby NewLiberalParty » Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:16 am

Here is a real solution Split guns into 5 categories and regulate them all differently

Danger level 1. 1 bullet per reload- Only felons are barred

Danger level 2. 2-5 bullets revolvers- Felons and mentally ill barred and those making violent threats

Danger level 3. Semi auto hand guns- Felons and mentally ill barred and those making violent threats as well as background checks and skills test/training must be 18 or older federally

Danger level 4. Semi auto rifles- Felons and mentally ill barred and those making violent threats as well as background checks and skills test/training, must be 25 or older with a check every 6 months.

Danger level 5. Automatics and sudo automatics- BAN includes attachments that make it sudo auto.
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