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Am I Right?

Yeah, mostly, seems agreeable.
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Dunno/Not sure/Not American and I think that matters
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6%
Nah, you're crazy. Guns should be more restricted.
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26%
Nah, you're crazy. Guns should be less restricted.
287
40%
JC Christ CM come back when the meds wear off
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Postby Wysten » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:38 am

Torrocca wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:A field day shooting children in the crossfire?

And you call us the monsters...


Nah, shooting the rebels. Unless all gun-owners are now four-foot tall gunmen that're as lanky as little kids, of course.

Clearing a school filled with hostages is a nightmare even for trained SWAT and CT there will be collateral.
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Postby Torrocca » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:39 am

Gig em Aggies wrote:

Maybe you should read the very first line in that there evidence of yours.


We weren't talking about frequent change, just change in general.

Wysten wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Nah, shooting the rebels. Unless all gun-owners are now four-foot tall gunmen that're as lanky as little kids, of course.

Clearing a school filled with hostages is a nightmare even for trained SWAT and CT there will be collateral.


Welp, guess the Army's blowing up the school! :roll:
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:40 am

Torrocca wrote:Welp, guess the Army's blowing up the school! :roll:


What a monster, our lives are more valuable than anything.
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:40 am

Wysten wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Nah, shooting the rebels. Unless all gun-owners are now four-foot tall gunmen that're as lanky as little kids, of course.

Clearing a school filled with hostages is a nightmare even for trained SWAT and CT there will be collateral.

It seems it's time for my beslan school siege and Moscow theater hostage crisis example since you know Spetnaz was involved in both situations and failed miserably.
Last edited by Gig em Aggies on Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:41 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Postby Big Jim P » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:41 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
In fact, I'm gonna buy me a couple more this year. After I buy an AR10 of course. ;)

I bought one yesterday, Bushmaster XM15 300blackout


My next two will be a .500 Beowulf and a 5.7x28mm AR57. Eventually I'll get a .300 Blackout.
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Pimps Inc
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Postby Pimps Inc » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:42 am

Gig em Aggies wrote:
Wysten wrote:Clearing a school filled with hostages is a nightmare even for trained SWAT and CT there will be collateral.

It seems time for my beslan school siege and Moscow theater hostage crisis example since you know Spetnaz was involved in both situations and failed miserably.

Don’t forget the Bataclan.
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United States of White America wrote:Although Nietzsche was a god-fearing atheist and his quote is positive, I believe it is negative. I think God has died because of our corrupt, open society, where there is no objective sense of right and wrong. Instead, I propose to resurrect God and avenge him.


No way.

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Postby Gig em Aggies » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:42 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Torrocca wrote:Welp, guess the Army's blowing up the school! :roll:


What a monster, our lives are more valuable than anything.

Turned his words against him I see :clap:
“One of the serious problems of planning against Aggie doctrine is that the Aggies do not read their manuals nor do they feel any obligations to follow their doctrine.”
“The reason that the Aggies does so well in wartime, is that war is chaos, and the Aggies practices chaos on a daily basis.”
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Postby Torrocca » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:43 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Torrocca wrote:Welp, guess the Army's blowing up the school! :roll:


What a monster, our lives are more valuable than anything.


Shouldn't've escalated to a repeal of the 2nd amendment with open armed insurrection then. Government's just acting out in self-defense with its own arsenal of firearms after all. :roll:
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:43 am

Torrocca wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
What a monster, our lives are more valuable than anything.


Shouldn't've escalated to a repeal of the 2nd amendment with open armed insurrection then. Government's just acting out in self-defense with its own arsenal of firearms after all. :roll:


But that's wrong and you should care about human lives :'(
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:43 am

Pimps Inc wrote:
Gig em Aggies wrote:It seems time for my beslan school siege and Moscow theater hostage crisis example since you know Spetnaz was involved in both situations and failed miserably.

Don’t forget the Bataclan.

I didn't know the GIGN were involved in the response to the attacks.
“One of the serious problems of planning against Aggie doctrine is that the Aggies do not read their manuals nor do they feel any obligations to follow their doctrine.”
“The reason that the Aggies does so well in wartime, is that war is chaos, and the Aggies practices chaos on a daily basis.”
“If we don’t know what we are doing, the enemy certainly can’t anticipate our future actions!”

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:43 am

Gig em Aggies wrote:
Wysten wrote:Clearing a school filled with hostages is a nightmare even for trained SWAT and CT there will be collateral.

It seems it's time for my beslan school siege and Moscow theater hostage crisis example since you know Spetnaz was involved in both situations and failed miserably.

Hell, the police have trouble handling one gunman without hitting a child in the process...
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Postby Torrocca » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:45 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Shouldn't've escalated to a repeal of the 2nd amendment with open armed insurrection then. Government's just acting out in self-defense with its own arsenal of firearms after all. :roll:


But that's wrong and you should care about human lives :'(


Sorry, but the aggressor is less valued than the defender since guns save lives. So clearly the government's in the right to shoot rebels with their own guns. :P
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Wysten
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Postby Wysten » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:45 am

Torrocca wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
What a monster, our lives are more valuable than anything.


Shouldn't've escalated to a repeal of the 2nd amendment with open armed insurrection then. Government's just acting out in self-defense with its own arsenal of firearms after all. :roll:

Never in my life have I heard a poorer excuse for pulling a Russia in my life.
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Postby Pimps Inc » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:46 am

Gig em Aggies wrote:
Pimps Inc wrote:Don’t forget the Bataclan.

I didn't know the GIGN were involved in the response to the attacks.

It seems In arrests around the city. By the time anybody responded to the actual Bataclan attack, it was all over.
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United States of White America wrote:Although Nietzsche was a god-fearing atheist and his quote is positive, I believe it is negative. I think God has died because of our corrupt, open society, where there is no objective sense of right and wrong. Instead, I propose to resurrect God and avenge him.


No way.

When we meet aliens from outer space, we'll yell:

We poison our air and water to weed out the weak!
We set off fission bombs in our only biosphere!
We nailed our god to a stick!
Don't fuck with the human race!

Kanye West 2024

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Postby Gig em Aggies » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:46 am

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Gig em Aggies wrote:It seems it's time for my beslan school siege and Moscow theater hostage crisis example since you know Spetnaz was involved in both situations and failed miserably.

Hell, the police have trouble handling one gunman without hitting a child in the process...

I just read about that the suspects family the girl who was killed got millions even though she pointed a gun at the cops first, that jury verdict was utter garbage and should be tossed out.
“One of the serious problems of planning against Aggie doctrine is that the Aggies do not read their manuals nor do they feel any obligations to follow their doctrine.”
“The reason that the Aggies does so well in wartime, is that war is chaos, and the Aggies practices chaos on a daily basis.”
“If we don’t know what we are doing, the enemy certainly can’t anticipate our future actions!”

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Postby Fascist Republic Of Bermuda » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:47 am

Torrocca wrote:
Wysten wrote:Just because you can doesn't mean you should the Founders knew this


Are you sure about that?

Let me rephrase Wysten for him:

Just because you can change the law does not mean it is implicitly right to do so. An excellent example of this is the 18th Amendment. This also does not mean it is not right to change laws, for instance such amendments as the 13th, 14th, and 19th.

Also, according to Gallup:
About 42% of Americans own a firearm.
About 71% of Americans are against a civilian handgun ban.
About 49% of Americans are against making it illegal to "manufacture, sell or possess semi-automatic guns known as assault rifles". Note the phrasing of the question, there is no distinction between semi-automatic firearm and assault rifle. This shows that even with the buzzword of "assault rifle", the plurality (48% agreed with the question) still did not want a total ban on this specific type of firearm.
About 56% of Americans believe allowing concealed carry makes America safer.

So the quote from Jefferson does not apply here. "As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change" (emphasis mine). As I have shown, opinion remains firmly divided on the issue, and in many cases against the proposed change to the Constitution.
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Postby Torrocca » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:47 am

Wysten wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Shouldn't've escalated to a repeal of the 2nd amendment with open armed insurrection then. Government's just acting out in self-defense with its own arsenal of firearms after all. :roll:

Never in my life have I heard a poorer excuse for pulling a Russia in my life.


I can give you better ones all night ;)
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:47 am

Torrocca wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
But that's wrong and you should care about human lives :'(


Sorry, but the aggressor is less valued than the defender since guns save lives. So clearly the government's in the right to shoot rebels with their own guns. :P


See, now you're starting to lose the silly pacifism nonsense. You'll be thinking normally in no time.
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Postby Pimps Inc » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:47 am

Gig em Aggies wrote:

I just read about that the suspects family the girl who was killed got millions even though she pointed a gun at the cops first, that jury verdict was utter garbage and should be tossed out.

The kid should have gotten millions. From the rest of the family.
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Risottia wrote:
United States of White America wrote:Although Nietzsche was a god-fearing atheist and his quote is positive, I believe it is negative. I think God has died because of our corrupt, open society, where there is no objective sense of right and wrong. Instead, I propose to resurrect God and avenge him.


No way.

When we meet aliens from outer space, we'll yell:

We poison our air and water to weed out the weak!
We set off fission bombs in our only biosphere!
We nailed our god to a stick!
Don't fuck with the human race!

Kanye West 2024

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:48 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:I bought one yesterday, Bushmaster XM15 300blackout


My next two will be a .500 Beowulf and a 5.7x28mm AR57. Eventually I'll get a .300 Blackout.

I'd like to try a .500 Beowulf.

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Postby Torrocca » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:49 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Sorry, but the aggressor is less valued than the defender since guns save lives. So clearly the government's in the right to shoot rebels with their own guns. :P


See, now you're starting to lose the silly pacifism nonsense. You'll be thinking normally in no time.


Nah, we're still taking your guns away. Just with force! Fun for the whole family!
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:49 am

Torrocca wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
See, now you're starting to lose the silly pacifism nonsense. You'll be thinking normally in no time.


Nah, we're still taking your guns away. Just with force! Fun for the whole family!


I mean, I can just make more.
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Postby Pimps Inc » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:50 am

Torrocca wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
See, now you're starting to lose the silly pacifism nonsense. You'll be thinking normally in no time.


Nah, we're still taking your guns away. Just with force! Fun for the whole family!

Lmao, ok. I guess once the 500k plan fails, this will totally work.
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Risottia wrote:
United States of White America wrote:Although Nietzsche was a god-fearing atheist and his quote is positive, I believe it is negative. I think God has died because of our corrupt, open society, where there is no objective sense of right and wrong. Instead, I propose to resurrect God and avenge him.


No way.

When we meet aliens from outer space, we'll yell:

We poison our air and water to weed out the weak!
We set off fission bombs in our only biosphere!
We nailed our god to a stick!
Don't fuck with the human race!

Kanye West 2024

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Postby Gig em Aggies » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:51 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
My next two will be a .500 Beowulf and a 5.7x28mm AR57. Eventually I'll get a .300 Blackout.

I'd like to try a .500 Beowulf.

Hope you like shoulder pain :p https://youtu.be/kUhU-ypDyus
“One of the serious problems of planning against Aggie doctrine is that the Aggies do not read their manuals nor do they feel any obligations to follow their doctrine.”
“The reason that the Aggies does so well in wartime, is that war is chaos, and the Aggies practices chaos on a daily basis.”
“If we don’t know what we are doing, the enemy certainly can’t anticipate our future actions!”

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Postby Gig em Aggies » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:52 am

Pimps Inc wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Nah, we're still taking your guns away. Just with force! Fun for the whole family!

Lmao, ok. I guess once the 500k plan fails, this will totally work.

It's also not like the rebels will just go south of the border and buy there guns for even cheaper.
“One of the serious problems of planning against Aggie doctrine is that the Aggies do not read their manuals nor do they feel any obligations to follow their doctrine.”
“The reason that the Aggies does so well in wartime, is that war is chaos, and the Aggies practices chaos on a daily basis.”
“If we don’t know what we are doing, the enemy certainly can’t anticipate our future actions!”

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