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Yeah, mostly, seems agreeable.
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Dunno/Not sure/Not American and I think that matters
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Nah, you're crazy. Guns should be more restricted.
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Nah, you're crazy. Guns should be less restricted.
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JC Christ CM come back when the meds wear off
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Postby Sovaal » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:17 pm

Also, jokes on those who want to ban semis (well and on me as well). If they do manage such a ban I’ll just convert my AR.
Most of the time I have no idea what the hell I'm doing or talking about.

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"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Telconi » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:17 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Gun control advocates are equally repulsive as Nazis.


Hmmm. Yoga or meditation might help with the anger.


I'm not angry, does the yoga and meditation help with disgust and contempt?
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:18 pm

Sovaal wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Blasting away with a machine gun out away from anything is a better way to deal with that, imo.

I’ve always wanted to chop down a tree with a mini gun...


Just because you think a predator is out to get you doesn't mean it's not.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:18 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Blasting away with a machine gun out away from anything is a better way to deal with that, imo.


That's just and adrenaline high and then you go back to being angry.


Only if you didn't blast enough.
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Postby Sovaal » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:18 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Blasting away with a machine gun out away from anything is a better way to deal with that, imo.


That's just and adrenaline high and then you go back to being angry.

Long range rifle shots perhaps would be more to your liking. Have to calm yourself if you hoe to hit anything.
Most of the time I have no idea what the hell I'm doing or talking about.

”Many forms of government have been tried and will be tried in this world of sin and woe.
No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time." -
Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:19 pm

Sovaal wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
That's just and adrenaline high and then you go back to being angry.

Long range rifle shots perhaps would be more to your liking. Have to calm yourself if you hoe to hit anything.


Now you are talking :)
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Postby Petrasylvania » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:21 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Sovaal wrote:I’ve always wanted to chop down a tree with a mini gun...


Just because you think a predator is out to get you doesn't mean it's not.

Ain't got time to bleed.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:22 pm

Tobleste wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Appealing to emotional sentiment has been tried on this thread already. It failed. Miserably. Emotional sentiment does not an argument make.


I'm not appealing to emotional sentiment.

You pretty much are.
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Postby Kernen » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:23 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Just because you think a predator is out to get you doesn't mean it's not.

Ain't got time to bleed.

Dude. Its Predator. Its always worth being worried about Predator. He can see heat.
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Postby Tobleste » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:24 pm

Valgora wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Ok. Explain.


I can see why he thinks it is an accurate comparison: both wanting to take away rights.
However, I agree with Sovaal that Hitler and Fascist and Nazi are thrown around too much.


Hitler wanted to take away rights? I think he did more than that.
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Postby Sovaal » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:24 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Sovaal wrote:I’ve always wanted to chop down a tree with a mini gun...


Just because you think a predator is out to get you doesn't mean it's not.

But how would I know? They can turn invisible!
Most of the time I have no idea what the hell I'm doing or talking about.

”Many forms of government have been tried and will be tried in this world of sin and woe.
No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time." -
Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Kernen » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:25 pm

Sovaal wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Just because you think a predator is out to get you doesn't mean it's not.

But how would I know? They can turn invisible!

And they have that weird shoulder blaster. You need a gun to fight that weird shoulder blaster.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:25 pm

Kernen wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:Ain't got time to bleed.

Dude. Its Predator. Its always worth being worried about Predator. He can see heat.

Only with his mask on.
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Postby Valgora » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:25 pm

Tobleste wrote:
Valgora wrote:
I can see why he thinks it is an accurate comparison: both wanting to take away rights.
However, I agree with Sovaal that Hitler and Fascist and Nazi are thrown around too much.


Hitler wanted to take away rights? I think he did more than that.


How did he do more?
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Postby Tobleste » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:26 pm

Spirit of Hope wrote:
Tobleste wrote:
So what's the alternatives? Looking at this thread and the NRAs actions, I'm not sure there is one.

The NRA opposes stupid legislation. Look at the newest laws enacted in Florida. The NRA didn't challenge the gun restraining order, or the improvements to how mental evaluations are handled. They only brought the law suit against the raising of the age for long guns to 21 instead of 18. They have stated they wouldn't be apposed to a well crafted law aimed at banning bump stocks, but they have pulled out all the stops to appose an assault weapons ban. Most of the people you have been debating with here are quite willing to discuss solutions to the problem, they are just unwilling to submit to stupid or pointless legislation, which is the majority of what is proposed. Those that are hardliners are hardliners because they have been burned in the past. Saying you aren't going to reason with them only increases the number of hardliners and makes the hardliners look correct in their dealings with you.


People here believe gun control advocates are comparable to Nazis. If I'm dealing with the moderates, then mass shootings are inevitable.
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Postby Kernen » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:26 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Kernen wrote:Dude. Its Predator. Its always worth being worried about Predator. He can see heat.

Only with his mask on.


Ban masks.
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Postby Ors Might » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:26 pm

Kernen wrote:
Sovaal wrote:But how would I know? They can turn invisible!

And they have that weird shoulder blaster. You need a gun to fight that weird shoulder blaster.

Tfw gun control activists want you to be killed by the Predator.
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Postby Ors Might » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:26 pm

Tobleste wrote:
Spirit of Hope wrote:The NRA opposes stupid legislation. Look at the newest laws enacted in Florida. The NRA didn't challenge the gun restraining order, or the improvements to how mental evaluations are handled. They only brought the law suit against the raising of the age for long guns to 21 instead of 18. They have stated they wouldn't be apposed to a well crafted law aimed at banning bump stocks, but they have pulled out all the stops to appose an assault weapons ban. Most of the people you have been debating with here are quite willing to discuss solutions to the problem, they are just unwilling to submit to stupid or pointless legislation, which is the majority of what is proposed. Those that are hardliners are hardliners because they have been burned in the past. Saying you aren't going to reason with them only increases the number of hardliners and makes the hardliners look correct in their dealings with you.


People here believe gun control advocates are comparable to Nazis. If I'm dealing with the moderates, then mass shootings are inevitable.

A person, you mean. Stop being melodramatic.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:29 pm

Tobleste wrote:If I'm dealing with the moderates, then mass shootings are inevitable.

Nice hyperbole.
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Postby Tobleste » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:30 pm

Valgora wrote:
Tobleste wrote:
Hitler wanted to take away rights? I think he did more than that.


How did he do more?
Genocide is basically just a form of taking away rights from an entire ethnic group/race.


So if you had to choose between Americans being entirely banned from owning guns and being mass murdered, you'd see it as a 50/50 decision?
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Postby Tobleste » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:30 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Tobleste wrote:If I'm dealing with the moderates, then mass shootings are inevitable.

Nice hyperbole.


When you respond to me, you don't even read the full post.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:31 pm

Telconi wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
That's just and adrenaline high and then you go back to being angry.


Only if you didn't blast enough.

If your anger is related to not spewing enough there's cheaper and more social ways.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be proof of a pan-Islamic plot and Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand, crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of mentally ill lone wolves who do not represent their professed belief system at all.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:31 pm

Valgora wrote:
Tobleste wrote:
Hitler wanted to take away rights? I think he did more than that.


How did he do more?

Started a world war for one.
Genocide is basically just a form of taking away rights from an entire ethnic group/race.

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Postby Valgora » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:31 pm

Tobleste wrote:
Valgora wrote:
How did he do more?
Genocide is basically just a form of taking away rights from an entire ethnic group/race.


So if you had to choose between Americans being entirely banned from owning guns and being mass murdered, you'd see it as a 50/50 decision?


Having guns helps prevent mass murders being done by the government.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:31 pm

Tobleste wrote:
Valgora wrote:
How did he do more?
Genocide is basically just a form of taking away rights from an entire ethnic group/race.


So if you had to choose between Americans being entirely banned from owning guns and being mass murdered, you'd see it as a 50/50 decision?

Nonsensical hypothetical hyperbole. A holy trinity.
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