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Yeah, mostly, seems agreeable.
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Dunno/Not sure/Not American and I think that matters
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Nah, you're crazy. Guns should be more restricted.
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Nah, you're crazy. Guns should be less restricted.
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JC Christ CM come back when the meds wear off
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Postby Kramanica » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:39 am

Infinite Coscotlan wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:Even fucking Spetsnaz training only lasts like a couple of months

No, it's five years, just like (and instead of) university. And you don't get guns until the fourth year either.

Uh-huh. So why do you need better training than fucking Marines receive to be able to use a hunting rifle?
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Postby Sovaal » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:39 am

Infinite Coscotlan wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:Even fucking Spetsnaz training only lasts like a couple of months

No, it's five years, just like (and instead of) university. And you don't get guns until the fourth year either.

Gun safety isn’t a fucking major like biology or mathematics. We don’t make people take years of schooling to drive a car.
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Postby Dylar » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:40 am

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Infinite Coscotlan wrote:No, it's five years, just like (and instead of) university. And you don't get guns until the fourth year either.

Ok then

Explain why the average hunter would need 3 years of training for something as simple as "Don't shoot the person, Breath in, Take Aim, Fire" (gross hyperbole, I know)

Diversity training, tolerance training, anger management(As in: you are not allowed to be angry. At all. Anger: bad. Happy: good)
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Postby Kernen » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:40 am

Kramanica wrote:
Infinite Coscotlan wrote:No, it's five years, just like (and instead of) university. And you don't get guns until the fourth year either.

Uh-huh. So why do you need better training than fucking Marines receive to be able to use a hunting rifle?

Because he doesn't understand what actually goes into knowing gun safety. I learned proper gun safety when I was ten. One afternoon at the range. Done and done.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:41 am

Sovaal wrote:

At least they’re honest enough to own up to what they would have to do.

Somehow I don't think the rank and file would be too appreciative of the fact their fascist sheriff(if elected and went through with his threat) would be directly putting them into harms way and the very real chance of them going home in a body bag.

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Postby Wysten » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:41 am

Kramanica wrote:
Infinite Coscotlan wrote:No, it's five years, just like (and instead of) university. And you don't get guns until the fourth year either.

Uh-huh. So why do you need better training than fucking Marines receive to be able to use a hunting rifle?

You see, we need to learn how to eat crayons properly so that's why it takes longer than the Marines.
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Postby Sovaal » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:41 am

Dylar wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:Ok then

Explain why the average hunter would need 3 years of training for something as simple as "Don't shoot the person, Breath in, Take Aim, Fire" (gross hyperbole, I know)

Diversity training, tolerance training, anger management(As in: you are not allowed to be angry. At all. Anger: bad. Happy: good)

Negative emotions bad and your a bad person for having them! >:( /s
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Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Hammer Britannia » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:42 am

Dylar wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:Ok then

Explain why the average hunter would need 3 years of training for something as simple as "Don't shoot the person, Breath in, Take Aim, Fire" (gross hyperbole, I know)

Diversity training, tolerance training, anger management(As in: you are not allowed to be angry. At all. Anger: bad. Happy: good)

Wait

How tf do you fit tolerence and diversity training into gun training?
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Postby Kernen » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:42 am

Wysten wrote:
Kramanica wrote:Uh-huh. So why do you need better training than fucking Marines receive to be able to use a hunting rifle?

You see, we need to learn how to eat crayons properly so that's why it takes longer than the Marines.


Didn't your Commandant secure Big Blue One, the largest crayon in the world, as a moral boost for you knuckle-draggers? :P

If your god, in is infinite wisdom, didn't want Marines eating crayons, he wouldn't have made them in so many pretty colors.
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Postby Kernen » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:43 am

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Dylar wrote:Diversity training, tolerance training, anger management(As in: you are not allowed to be angry. At all. Anger: bad. Happy: good)

Wait

How tf do you fit tolerence and diversity training into gun training?


Equal opportunity targeting? No idea.
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Postby Sovaal » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:43 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Sovaal wrote:At least they’re honest enough to own up to what they would have to do.

Somehow I don't think the rank and file would be too appreciative of the fact their fascist sheriff(if elected and went through with his threat) would be directly putting them into harms way and the very real chance of them going home in a body bag.

Oh, i don’t doubt it, but the antis need to own up to what would have be done to make their aims reality.
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No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time." -
Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Kramanica » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:43 am

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Dylar wrote:Diversity training, tolerance training, anger management(As in: you are not allowed to be angry. At all. Anger: bad. Happy: good)

Wait

How tf do you fit tolerence and diversity training into gun training?

Don't discriminate against certain types of guns.
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:43 am

Kernen wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:Wait

How tf do you fit tolerence and diversity training into gun training?


Equal opportunity targeting? No idea.

Make the Targets look more gay.
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Postby Infinite Coscotlan » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:43 am

Sovaal wrote:
Infinite Coscotlan wrote:No, it's five years, just like (and instead of) university. And you don't get guns until the fourth year either.

Gun safety isn’t a fucking major like biology or mathematics. We don’t make people take years of schooling to drive a car.

The time is symptomatic of the need to discourage ownership at all; therefore, it is arbitrarily long. Better with 5 years or so, but 3 is a minimum.
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Postby Dylar » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:44 am

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Dylar wrote:Diversity training, tolerance training, anger management(As in: you are not allowed to be angry. At all. Anger: bad. Happy: good)

Wait

How tf do you fit tolerence and diversity training into gun training?

Ask the police. They take this stuff. Except the anger management.
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:44 am

Infinite Coscotlan wrote:
Sovaal wrote:Gun safety isn’t a fucking major like biology or mathematics. We don’t make people take years of schooling to drive a car.

The time is symptomatic of the need to discourage ownership at all; therefore, it is arbitrarily long. Better with 5 years or so, but 3 is a minimum.

So, the only purpose is to stop people from owning guns?

No, it doesn't work like that. Have you even read the thread?
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Postby Wysten » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:45 am

Infinite Coscotlan wrote:
Sovaal wrote:Gun safety isn’t a fucking major like biology or mathematics. We don’t make people take years of schooling to drive a car.

The time is symptomatic of the need to discourage ownership at all; therefore, it is arbitrarily long. Better with 5 years or so, but 3 is a minimum.

Wait, Keshi, is that you?
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Postby Spirit of Hope » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:45 am

Infinite Coscotlan wrote:
Sovaal wrote:Gun safety isn’t a fucking major like biology or mathematics. We don’t make people take years of schooling to drive a car.

The time is symptomatic of the need to discourage ownership at all; therefore, it is arbitrarily long. Better with 5 years or so, but 3 is a minimum.

So you admit the length of training wasn't chosen for any actual effect, but instead to discourage gun ownership. So instead of trying to actually fix the issues you just want to punish gun owners for participating in activities that you dislike. That is a terrible policy stance.
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Postby Kernen » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:45 am

Infinite Coscotlan wrote:
Sovaal wrote:Gun safety isn’t a fucking major like biology or mathematics. We don’t make people take years of schooling to drive a car.

The time is symptomatic of the need to discourage ownership at all; therefore, it is arbitrarily long. Better with 5 years or so, but 3 is a minimum.

Boy oh boy, its a shame public policy isn't on your side.
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Postby Kramanica » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:46 am

Infinite Coscotlan wrote:
Sovaal wrote:Gun safety isn’t a fucking major like biology or mathematics. We don’t make people take years of schooling to drive a car.

The time is symptomatic of the need to discourage ownership at all; therefore, it is arbitrarily long. Better with 5 years or so, but 3 is a minimum.

Ah yes, age old gun grabber. Make it so absurdly long to get a firearm that you just give up. Cowardly.
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:46 am

Wysten wrote:
Infinite Coscotlan wrote:The time is symptomatic of the need to discourage ownership at all; therefore, it is arbitrarily long. Better with 5 years or so, but 3 is a minimum.

Wait, Keshi, is that you?

That would explain the Psycotic Dictatorship

No, this person is older than Keshiland
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:50 am

Infinite Coscotlan wrote:
Sovaal wrote:Gun safety isn’t a fucking major like biology or mathematics. We don’t make people take years of schooling to drive a car.

The time is symptomatic of the need to discourage ownership at all; therefore, it is arbitrarily long. Better with 5 years or so, but 3 is a minimum.


There is nothing wrong with the ownership of firearms, firearms are freedom, firearms are safety, firearms are tools of the free and used by liberators of the oppressed.
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Postby Sovaal » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:53 am

Infinite Coscotlan wrote:
Sovaal wrote:Gun safety isn’t a fucking major like biology or mathematics. We don’t make people take years of schooling to drive a car.

The time is symptomatic of the need to discourage ownership at all; therefore, it is arbitrarily long. Better with 5 years or so, but 3 is a minimum.

Heh. Like that would solve the problem. All you’re suggesting is to fuck over legal owners. Of course, I can see why, they’re the ones less likely to shoot back at you.
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Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Infinite Coscotlan » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:58 am

Sovaal wrote:
Infinite Coscotlan wrote:The time is symptomatic of the need to discourage ownership at all; therefore, it is arbitrarily long. Better with 5 years or so, but 3 is a minimum.

Heh. Like that would solve the problem. All you’re suggesting is to fuck over legal owners. Of course, I can see why, they’re the ones less likely to shoot back at you.

Legal, illegal, all the same. The spirit of disarmament does not differentiate when implemented. When the illusory freedom of weapons is gone, the real extent of freedom is exposed. Enlightening, and calming.
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Postby Ors Might » Mon Mar 26, 2018 8:02 am

Infinite Coscotlan wrote:
Sovaal wrote:Heh. Like that would solve the problem. All you’re suggesting is to fuck over legal owners. Of course, I can see why, they’re the ones less likely to shoot back at you.

Legal, illegal, all the same. The spirit of disarmament does not differentiate when implemented. When the illusory freedom of weapons is gone, the real extent of freedom is exposed. Enlightening, and calming.

Or you could, you know, respect individual freedoms and not screw over people not doing anything wrong?
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