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Postby Kernen » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:12 am

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Reblibre wrote:OK, here’s an idea. One side doesn’t want their rights taken away. The other side wants something done to prevent future school shootings. So, why not focus on a solution that doesn’t take away someone else’s constitutional rights? This recent parkland shooting proves that there are plenty of places for improvement in he area of stopping some fairly obvious potential shooters without stopping every citizen from owning certain types of firearms. Another potential solution has two benifits. It’s that we end the four years of high school (since so many of these shootings take place here). Instead give everyone scholarships with the money. Highshools don’t teach much that’s useful and most of what is taught that’s useful are in underfunded shop classes. After all few of these shootings seem to be happening on college campuses, the majority are high school. Plus, we’d have a much more skilled workforce and considering the amounts of teen depression that are centered around school, a much happier workforce as well.

>High School
>Useless

What position are YOU talking from? An ex-student or a current student?

As a ex-student (gradulated with a 3.2 GPA) I can conform that high school is NOT useless and actually taught me a lot of life skills.

Then again, that was 10 years ago.

I mean, as a JD student, I can confirm that I learned more from my parents and work experience than I learned in high school or even undergraduate studies. Your mileage may vary, of course.
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¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Could've worked toward helping put in place proactive measures to prevent something like that from happening, like, oh I dunno, laws that disqualify people who've threatened murder and the like from being able to legally access a gun.


I can't think of a process that respects due process and prevents firearm purchases without substantiating factual findings beyond a reasonable doubt.
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Postby Infinite Coscotlan » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:14 am

Reblibre wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:
There is already a solution, enforce and or act on evidence within the laws that are already in place. The whole fiasco that lead up to the shooting, directly lies at the feet of govt, local, state and federal, they dashed and dined and now expect the population to pick up the tab.


Exactly, we can focus on solutions that don’t involve taking away the rights of law abiding citizens.

We need to ban gun possession outright, only allowing it after a three-year course in hunting, and only hunting rifles. Face it, the 2nd amendment has failed the moment casualties from shootings outweighed those from terrorism.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:20 am

Infinite Coscotlan wrote:
Reblibre wrote:
Exactly, we can focus on solutions that don’t involve taking away the rights of law abiding citizens.

We need to ban gun possession outright, only allowing it after a three-year course in hunting, and only hunting rifles. Face it, the 2nd amendment has failed the moment casualties from shootings outweighed those from terrorism.

NO!

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Postby Dylar » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:22 am

Infinite Coscotlan wrote:
Reblibre wrote:
Exactly, we can focus on solutions that don’t involve taking away the rights of law abiding citizens.

We need to ban gun possession outright, only allowing it after a three-year course in hunting, and only hunting rifles. Face it, the 2nd amendment has failed the moment casualties from shootings outweighed those from terrorism.

You...do know that hunting rifles can still be used in a shooting? And that sporting rifles such as the AR-15 are used for hunting? And that firearms are necessary for self-defence from threats both foreign and domestic? And that if you ban firearms, the only people with firearms are gonna be criminals who have good connections in the black market, police officers that can't reach all the locations to protect citizens at the right time, and military personnel?
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:23 am

Infinite Coscotlan wrote:
Reblibre wrote:
Exactly, we can focus on solutions that don’t involve taking away the rights of law abiding citizens.

We need to ban gun possession outright, only allowing it after a three-year course in hunting, and only hunting rifles. Face it, the 2nd amendment has failed the moment casualties from shootings outweighed those from terrorism.

Fuck. That. Noise.
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Postby Kernen » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:25 am

Infinite Coscotlan wrote:
Reblibre wrote:
Exactly, we can focus on solutions that don’t involve taking away the rights of law abiding citizens.

We need to ban gun possession outright, only allowing it after a three-year course in hunting, and only hunting rifles. Face it, the 2nd amendment has failed the moment casualties from shootings outweighed those from terrorism.

Why is that particular metric valuable? Why terrorism?
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:25 am

Kernen wrote:
Infinite Coscotlan wrote:We need to ban gun possession outright, only allowing it after a three-year course in hunting, and only hunting rifles. Face it, the 2nd amendment has failed the moment casualties from shootings outweighed those from terrorism.

Why is that particular metric valuable? Why terrorism?

Because comparing something to something every doesn't like gets my idea bonus points

I.E: I don't like cars, let's ban them. Cars have cause more deaths than shark attacks.
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Postby Len Hyet » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:26 am

Infinite Coscotlan wrote:
Reblibre wrote:
Exactly, we can focus on solutions that don’t involve taking away the rights of law abiding citizens.

We need to ban gun possession outright, only allowing it after a three-year course in hunting, and only hunting rifles. Face it, the 2nd amendment has failed the moment casualties from shootings outweighed those from terrorism.

No.

Okay, now what?
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Postby Infinite Coscotlan » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:27 am

Len Hyet wrote:
Infinite Coscotlan wrote:We need to ban gun possession outright, only allowing it after a three-year course in hunting, and only hunting rifles. Face it, the 2nd amendment has failed the moment casualties from shootings outweighed those from terrorism.

No.

Okay, now what?

>what is discussion
>what is argument
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:27 am

Infinite Coscotlan wrote:
Len Hyet wrote:No.

Okay, now what?

>what is discussion
>what is argument

No u
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:28 am

Infinite Coscotlan wrote:
Reblibre wrote:
Exactly, we can focus on solutions that don’t involve taking away the rights of law abiding citizens.

We need to ban gun possession outright, only allowing it after a three-year course in hunting, and only hunting rifles. Face it, the 2nd amendment has failed the moment casualties from shootings outweighed those from terrorism.

What the fuck would this course cover for it to be three years? Special Forces training?
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Postby Dylar » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:28 am


I..uh...don't mind me, just gonna take a trip to the gun store...be right back...
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Postby Kramanica » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:29 am


He shouldn't even be janitor at the police department, let alone Sheriff.
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:30 am

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Infinite Coscotlan wrote:We need to ban gun possession outright, only allowing it after a three-year course in hunting, and only hunting rifles. Face it, the 2nd amendment has failed the moment casualties from shootings outweighed those from terrorism.

What the fuck would this course cover for it to be three years? Special Forces training?

Even fucking Spetsnaz training only lasts like a couple of months
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:31 am

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Postby Dylar » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:32 am

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Infinite Coscotlan wrote:We need to ban gun possession outright, only allowing it after a three-year course in hunting, and only hunting rifles. Face it, the 2nd amendment has failed the moment casualties from shootings outweighed those from terrorism.

What the fuck would this course cover for it to be three years? Special Forces training?

"Okay, class, today we're gonna teach you how to paradrop into enemy territory while your plane is taking Anti-Aircraft fire. And remember, you'll only be armed with bolt-action hunting rifles, even during times of war."
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Postby Kramanica » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:32 am

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Infinite Coscotlan wrote:We need to ban gun possession outright, only allowing it after a three-year course in hunting, and only hunting rifles. Face it, the 2nd amendment has failed the moment casualties from shootings outweighed those from terrorism.

What the fuck would this course cover for it to be three years? Special Forces training?

If citizens are better trained than the military then no one will never think to invade us. *nod*
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Postby Infinite Coscotlan » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:34 am

Hammer Britannia wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:What the fuck would this course cover for it to be three years? Special Forces training?

Even fucking Spetsnaz training only lasts like a couple of months

No, it's five years, just like (and instead of) university. And you don't get guns until the fourth year either.
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:34 am

Kramanica wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:What the fuck would this course cover for it to be three years? Special Forces training?

If citizens are better trained than the military then no one will never think to invade us. *nod*

But we'd only have hunting rifles...

Then again, an army of Simo Häyhä is a scary though
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Postby Sovaal » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:34 am

Infinite Coscotlan wrote:
Reblibre wrote:
Exactly, we can focus on solutions that don’t involve taking away the rights of law abiding citizens.

We need to ban gun possession outright, only allowing it after a three-year course in hunting, and only hunting rifles. Face it, the 2nd amendment has failed the moment casualties from shootings outweighed those from terrorism.

>ban possession of guns
>allow ownership of hunting rifles

So not only is this fucking unrealistic, but you can’t even make up your damn mind.
And pretty much everything will cause more deaths then terrorism.
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Postby Spirit of Hope » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:36 am

Infinite Coscotlan wrote:
Reblibre wrote:
Exactly, we can focus on solutions that don’t involve taking away the rights of law abiding citizens.

We need to ban gun possession outright, only allowing it after a three-year course in hunting, and only hunting rifles. Face it, the 2nd amendment has failed the moment casualties from shootings outweighed those from terrorism.

No for a variety of reasons. Three years is a stupid long time, and has no basis as far as I know on any actually time needed for training an individual on firearms or hunting safety or handling.

The 2nd amendment has hardly failed, millions of people use guns safely and legally every day. A comparison to terrorism is stupid, they are completely different and even nations with strict gun control see more gun homicides then terrorism deaths. Terrorism is just very rare.
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:36 am

Infinite Coscotlan wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:Even fucking Spetsnaz training only lasts like a couple of months

No, it's five years, just like (and instead of) university. And you don't get guns until the fourth year either.

Ok then

Explain why the average hunter would need 3 years of training for something as simple as "Don't shoot the person, Breath in, Take Aim, Fire" (gross hyperbole, I know)

I'm a city-slicker and I learned how to hunt in less than 3 days. Even shot a buck the next day
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Postby Sovaal » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:37 am


At least they’re honest enough to own up to what they would have to do.
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Postby Spirit of Hope » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:38 am

Infinite Coscotlan wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:Even fucking Spetsnaz training only lasts like a couple of months

No, it's five years, just like (and instead of) university. And you don't get guns until the fourth year either.

Spetsnaz training is not 5 years long, and even if it was would not be a good basis for civilian hunting training because of the wildly different skill sets needed.
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