Gun Control: Shiny Toy Guns

[Big Jim P]

First: I don't require someone to agree with me to listen to them. Nor do I place an age limit.

Yet you insinuate the kids are being coached into having a political stance contrary your own. Hmm.

Two: Why do you say the NRA is a shit organization?

Oh I dunno, maybe the part where they promoted gun violence against those that disagreed with the GOP's agenda?

Disclaimer: Although I am a life member of the NRA, I thoroughly disagree with their current willingness to compromise on our inherent right to bear arms.

"Compromise"? What a load of baloney, they aren't even trying to do anything of the sort.

One: I didn't insinuate it. I said it.
Two: The NRA doesn't support or encourage violence except in the case of self defense.
Three: Supporting the ban on bump stocks is caving in and compromising.

[Torrocca]

Yet you insinuate the kids are being coached into having a political stance contrary your own. Hmm.



Oh I dunno, maybe the part where they promoted gun violence against those that disagreed with the GOP's agenda?



"Compromise"? What a load of baloney, they aren't even trying to do anything of the sort.

One: I didn't insinuate it. I said it.

Mmhmm.

Two: The NRA doesn't support or encourage violence except in the case of self defense.

Are you sure about that? :^)

Three: Supporting the ban on bump stocks is caving in and compromising.

Fuck bump stocks too. They're not even arms themselves, just accessories. No fucking with the 2nd Amendment in that case. :^)

[Big Jim P]

I love how you go from "the kids didn't say that" to "I support the kids saying that".

Yup, me asking for a source and context is equivalent to me saying that that wasn't said at all. Right.

So here you go, you and the other people at the event actually blame the other side for being responsible for these tragedies. This is exactly what we're talking about.

Nah, but fuck Rubio regardless. :^)

The point to the march wasn't to prevent shootings. It was to support civilian disarmament.

Mmhmm. Whatever makes you paranoid about the current generation.

Again with the strawmanning. I disagree with gun grabbers regardless of their generation, and what is paranoid about resisting their stated goal of infringing on my inherent rights?

[Manokan Republic]

I have sympathy for these people, but when they try and call us child killers and blame us for tragedies, than yes I will take issue with it and respond in kind.

I pretty sure those kids haven't said that.

But I'm also pretty sure they have received numerous death threats from the right, been called crisis actors among other things numerous times by the right, been slandered as a bald lesbian by a politician on the right, been told to perform CPR on bullet-riddled friends of theirs in school by a politician on the right, and much more.

Have you paid attention to the debates at all? The kids and the other organizers of the events have said these things over and over again.

Cameron Kasky: "Senator Rubio, it’s hard to look at you and not look down the barrel on an AR-15 and not look at Nikolas Cruz.”

David Hogg: "“The pathetic f***ers that want to keep killing our children, they could have blood from children splattered all over their faces and they wouldn’t take action because they all still see those dollar signs,”

Emma Gonzalez: Calls NRA "Child Murderers"

Amy Schumer, Celebrity: "Amy Schumer Tells Politicians Against Gun Reform: “You Are Killing Children”


Then there's the entirety of CNN and other media outlets pushing this narrative that they are child killers. You have politicians calling the NRA a terrorist organization, explicitly claiming they are responsible for the mass murders, when few if any of the mass shooters have been NRA members. It goes on and on, but you really believe that it hasn't been said?

[Big Jim P]

One: I didn't insinuate it. I said it.

Mmhmm.

Two: The NRA doesn't support or encourage violence except in the case of self defense.

Are you sure about that? :^)

Three: Supporting the ban on bump stocks is caving in and compromising.

Fuck bump stocks too. They're not even arms themselves, just accessories. No fucking with the 2nd Amendment in that case. :^)

Fighting lies with the clenched fist of truth. Yep, encouraging violence.

[Torrocca]

Yup, me asking for a source and context is equivalent to me saying that that wasn't said at all. Right.



Nah, but fuck Rubio regardless. :^)



Mmhmm. Whatever makes you paranoid about the current generation.

Again with the strawmanning. I disagree with gun grabbers regardless of their generation,

And you say they're being coached into having their stated positions.

and what is paranoid about resisting their stated goal of infringing on my inherent rights?

Are you so sure that a movement about, "marching for our lives," is about A) infringing on 2nd Amendment rights or B) kids not wanting to be shot to death?

Mmhmm.



Are you sure about that? :^)



Fuck bump stocks too. They're not even arms themselves, just accessories. No fucking with the 2nd Amendment in that case. :^)

Fighting lies with the clenched fist of truth. Yep, encouraging violence.

Oh, it definitely is. You don't see it, but it is.

[Manokan Republic]

I love how you go from "the kids didn't say that" to "I support the kids saying that".

Yup, me asking for a source and context is equivalent to me saying that that wasn't said at all. Right.

I can go back and look at your posts very easily you know? Here's what you actually said "I pretty sure those kids haven't said that." Clearly they have said it, and then you skip over the fact and go right to endorsing the statement. Let me show you.

"Yeah, I'm with him on that one. Rubio's a fuckwit."- So, we jump to "it didn't happen" to "I'm with him". Do you not see how quickly you change your arguments to support the narrative and how you obviously agree that you think they are child murderers?

So here you go, you and the other people at the event actually blame the other side for being responsible for these tragedies. This is exactly what we're talking about.

Nah, but fuck Rubio regardless. :^)

How can you say "no, but yes"? Clearly you are just beating around the bush without actually owning up to the fact you actually are accusing these people of being child killers and agree with the statements.

[Albrenia]

Fighting lies with the clenched fist of truth.

Wow that's corny, hehe. The cold dead hands quote sounds better, imho.

[Big Jim P]

Again with the strawmanning. I disagree with gun grabbers regardless of their generation,

And you say they're being coached into having their stated positions.

and what is paranoid about resisting their stated goal of infringing on my inherent rights?

Are you so sure that a movement about, "marching for our lives," is about A) infringing on 2nd Amendment rights or B) kids not wanting to be shot to death?

Fighting lies with the clenched fist of truth. Yep, encouraging violence.

Oh, it definitely is. You don't see it, but it is.

So fighting lies with truth is violence. Gotcha.

The stated purpose of the march was to support infringing on our inherent right.

[Big Jim P]

Fighting lies with the clenched fist of truth.

Wow that's corny, hehe. The cold dead hands quote sounds better, imho.

I agree.

[Torrocca]

And you say they're being coached into having their stated positions.



Are you so sure that a movement about, "marching for our lives," is about A) infringing on 2nd Amendment rights or B) kids not wanting to be shot to death?



Oh, it definitely is. You don't see it, but it is.

So fighting lies with truth is violence. Gotcha.

Underlying messages don't exist. Gotcha.

The stated purpose of the march was to support infringing on our inherent right.

Proof?

[Liriena]

Fighting lies with the clenched fist of truth.

I too love Dana Loesch's ITG slogans.

[Manokan Republic]

So fighting lies with truth is violence. Gotcha.

Underlying messages don't exist. Gotcha.

So you're accusing them of using secret code words to hide their desire for violence or something? Wat?

They've never explicitly called for violence, but because you choose to interpret it in the worst possible way, now you're going to use that as an excuse to attack them? What if I said your words secretly mean you want to kill innocent people, and used that to attack? Something like this, something so egregious, naturally demands concrete proof.

The stated purpose of the march was to support infringing on our inherent right.

Proof?

They want to remove many of our 2nd amendment rights explicitly and say as much themselves.

[Spirit of Hope]

Are you sure about that? :^)

That is a huge stretch. It is called metaphor and descriptive language, and is used by just about everyone. The underlying message is not, go out and shoot those who disagree with us, but if you don't give us money we can't fight the lies others are spreading.

At no point has the NRA ever said anything, explicitly or implicitly, arguing for their members to use their firearms in an illegal way.

Proof?

A petition on the march for our lives web sight.
What does it call for?
An assault weapons ban, ban on the sale of high capacity magazines, and closing the "gun show" loophole.

But you say this:

Proactive measures such as making sure those guns were safely secured could've prevented that. Seriously, stop acting like I'm saying, "AUTOMATIC WEAPONS BAN," or, "HIGH CAPACITY MAGAZINE BAN," when I'm saying proactive measures because that's being disingenuous as all hell.

So which is it?

[Ors Might]

So fighting lies with truth is violence. Gotcha.

Underlying messages don't exist. Gotcha.

The stated purpose of the march was to support infringing on our inherent right.

Proof?

“Underlying messages” is a pretty weak defense for essentially calling an organization responsible for the deaths of children, which is essentially what some of these little shits have done. A lot more have done so as well, if we take their “underlying messages” into account.

[Hammer Britannia]

So, the official big live stream for "The March for Our Lives" has been taken down by the Warners...

Gun grabbers and music... misappropriaters it seems

[Ors Might]

So, the official big live stream for "The March for Our Lives" has been taken down by the Warners...

Gun grabbers and music... misappropriaters it seems

Huh. Even I have to feel sorry for the lads, sucks being that shit outta luck.

[Grinning Dragon]

So he deserved to be called a mass murder because he disagrees with someone?
Out of a 20 Million Dollar campaign according to WP Rubio only got around five grand from the NRA here

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Could've worked toward helping put in place proactive measures to prevent something like that from happening, like, oh I dunno, laws that disqualify people who've threatened murder and the like from being able to legally access a gun.

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What more could rubio have done that isn't already state and federal law? There were multiple instances (years before and present) where cruz could had and should have been charged and or committed, but wasn't. The whole failure is on broward police dept and the school district, with a side of blame going to the fbi for recent cruz actions. Rubio isn't to blame, nor is the nra, or the millions of citizens who keep and bear arms, blaming others and or inanimate objects for the failure of the state is lazy and is a down right refusal to recognize these failure.

[Reblibre]

OK, here’s an idea. One side doesn’t want their rights taken away. The other side wants something done to prevent future school shootings. So, why not focus on a solution that doesn’t take away someone else’s constitutional rights? This recent parkland shooting proves that there are plenty of places for improvement in he area of stopping some fairly obvious potential shooters without stopping every citizen from owning certain types of firearms. Another potential solution has two benifits. It’s that we end the four years of high school (since so many of these shootings take place here). Instead give everyone scholarships with the money. Highshools don’t teach much that’s useful and most of what is taught that’s useful are in underfunded shop classes. After all few of these shootings seem to be happening on college campuses, the majority are high school. Plus, we’d have a much more skilled workforce and considering the amounts of teen depression that are centered around school, a much happier workforce as well.

[Hammer Britannia]

OK, here’s an idea. One side doesn’t want their rights taken away. The other side wants something done to prevent future school shootings. So, why not focus on a solution that doesn’t take away someone else’s constitutional rights? This recent parkland shooting proves that there are plenty of places for improvement in he area of stopping some fairly obvious potential shooters without stopping every citizen from owning certain types of firearms. Another potential solution has two benifits. It’s that we end the four years of high school (since so many of these shootings take place here). Instead give everyone scholarships with the money. Highshools don’t teach much that’s useful and most of what is taught that’s useful are in underfunded shop classes. After all few of these shootings seem to be happening on college campuses, the majority are high school. Plus, we’d have a much more skilled workforce and considering the amounts of teen depression that are centered around school, a much happier workforce as well.

>High School
>Useless

What position are YOU talking from? An ex-student or a current student?

As a ex-student (gradulated with a 3.2 GPA) I can conform that high school is NOT useless and actually taught me a lot of life skills.

Then again, that was 10 years ago.

[Grinning Dragon]

OK, here’s an idea. One side doesn’t want their rights taken away. The other side wants something done to prevent future school shootings. So, why not focus on a solution that doesn’t take away someone else’s constitutional rights? This recent parkland shooting proves that there are plenty of places for improvement in he area of stopping some fairly obvious potential shooters without stopping every citizen from owning certain types of firearms. Another potential solution has two benifits. It’s that we end the four years of high school (since so many of these shootings take place here). Instead give everyone scholarships with the money. Highshools don’t teach much that’s useful and most of what is taught that’s useful are in underfunded shop classes. After all few of these shootings seem to be happening on college campuses, the majority are high school. Plus, we’d have a much more skilled workforce and considering the amounts of teen depression that are centered around school, a much happier workforce as well.

There is already a solution, enforce and or act on evidence within the laws that are already in place. The whole fiasco that lead up to the shooting, directly lies at the feet of govt, local, state and federal, they dashed and dined and now expect the population to pick up the tab.

[Kramanica]

March For Our Lives DC Crowd Smaller than Organizers' Estimates

"B-but it was millions of people!"

[Hammer Britannia]

March For Our Lives DC Crowd Smaller than Organizers' Estimates

"B-but it was millions of people!"

We already roasted it.

"B-but it was just that small of a amount in DC"

[Reblibre]

OK, here’s an idea. One side doesn’t want their rights taken away. The other side wants something done to prevent future school shootings. So, why not focus on a solution that doesn’t take away someone else’s constitutional rights? This recent parkland shooting proves that there are plenty of places for improvement in he area of stopping some fairly obvious potential shooters without stopping every citizen from owning certain types of firearms. Another potential solution has two benifits. It’s that we end the four years of high school (since so many of these shootings take place here). Instead give everyone scholarships with the money. Highshools don’t teach much that’s useful and most of what is taught that’s useful are in underfunded shop classes. After all few of these shootings seem to be happening on college campuses, the majority are high school. Plus, we’d have a much more skilled workforce and considering the amounts of teen depression that are centered around school, a much happier workforce as well.

>High School
>Useless

What position are YOU talking from? An ex-student or a current student?

As a ex-student (gradulated with a 3.2 GPA) I can conform that high school is NOT useless and actually taught me a lot of life skills.

Then again, that was 10 years ago.

Talking from a current 3.0 GPA High School Student who is also taking college courses in addition to High school courses all right now.

[Reblibre]

OK, here’s an idea. One side doesn’t want their rights taken away. The other side wants something done to prevent future school shootings. So, why not focus on a solution that doesn’t take away someone else’s constitutional rights? This recent parkland shooting proves that there are plenty of places for improvement in he area of stopping some fairly obvious potential shooters without stopping every citizen from owning certain types of firearms. Another potential solution has two benifits. It’s that we end the four years of high school (since so many of these shootings take place here). Instead give everyone scholarships with the money. Highshools don’t teach much that’s useful and most of what is taught that’s useful are in underfunded shop classes. After all few of these shootings seem to be happening on college campuses, the majority are high school. Plus, we’d have a much more skilled workforce and considering the amounts of teen depression that are centered around school, a much happier workforce as well.

There is already a solution, enforce and or act on evidence within the laws that are already in place. The whole fiasco that lead up to the shooting, directly lies at the feet of govt, local, state and federal, they dashed and dined and now expect the population to pick up the tab.

Exactly, we can focus on solutions that don’t involve taking away the rights of law abiding citizens.