Gun Control: Shiny Toy Guns

[Torrocca]

I pretty sure those kids haven't said that.

But I'm also pretty sure they have received numerous death threats from the right, been called crisis actors among other things numerous times by the right, been slandered as a bald lesbian by a politician on the right, been told to perform CPR on bullet-riddled friends of theirs in school by a politician on the right, and much more.

Oh and here I was thinking you wanted to save lives my bad.

I am. CPR doesn't stop dying from gunshot wounds at all.

It not like almost adult kids could do something that I don't know would maybe prolong a victims life to the point they could survive but cpr

CPR is specifically for stopped hearts.

and stopping the bleeding and saving a life that way is for losers,

Reactive measures aren't addressing the core issue.

restricting millions of people's rights that won't do anything to stop the next mass shooting

So how many mass bombings have we had in schools in America since the regulations made after the Bath School bombing that've killed dozens of children? How many have we seen in theaters, sports stadiums, concerts, or elsewhere in America?

[Wysten]

I have sympathy for these people, but when they try and call us child killers and blame us for tragedies, than yes I will take issue with it and respond in kind.

I pretty sure those kids haven't said that.

But I'm also pretty sure they have received numerous death threats from the right, been called crisis actors among other things numerous times by the right, been slandered as a bald lesbian by a politician on the right, been told to perform CPR on bullet-riddled friends of theirs in school by a politician on the right, and much more.

"When I see you I can't help but think of looking down the barrel of an AR-15."

[Gig em Aggies]

Nope it sounds like I didn't give a flying flip about safety since we hardly had anything to worry about plus these kids will have this stigma on them most of the time it will rub off on the wrong way for potential employers or colleges except those in California who could care less about constitutional rights. Plus did you see how students from columbine didn't get all pissy and march to restrict a constitutional right after their school got shot up no some of those who survived grew up and moved on with their lives while others actually did meaningful things such as these people https://www.denverpost.com/2009/04/18/c ... y-are-now/. These teens are dishonor the fallen by rubbing salt in the wounds how many times should they keep retelling how their school mates died before they realize they're doing more harm then good.

You do realize the kids from Columbine A) didn't have the means to get their message across the country and the world like the kids from Parkland do today and B) were literally at the time the largest mass school shooting in history, at a time where these sorts of mass-shooting events weren't nearly as common in America, right? Things changed since then.

You young people are funny acting like TV, Radio, Internet, Physical Mail, and Newspapers and magazines weren't method(s) to get a message out.

[Torrocca]

Try here aaand here. (^:

And all I see is a twitter page with only 14,000 people following which isn't a lot mind you for a group of that size. (^:

You asked for proof of thousands. I provided proof of thousands. (^:

[Torrocca]

I pretty sure those kids haven't said that.

But I'm also pretty sure they have received numerous death threats from the right, been called crisis actors among other things numerous times by the right, been slandered as a bald lesbian by a politician on the right, been told to perform CPR on bullet-riddled friends of theirs in school by a politician on the right, and much more.

"When I see you I can't help but think of looking down the barrel of an AR-15."

Gonna need a source and context to that quote.

You do realize the kids from Columbine A) didn't have the means to get their message across the country and the world like the kids from Parkland do today and B) were literally at the time the largest mass school shooting in history, at a time where these sorts of mass-shooting events weren't nearly as common in America, right? Things changed since then.

You young people are funny acting like TV, Radio, Internet, Physical Mail, and Newspapers and magazines weren't method(s) to get a message out.

That's no where near as efficient as social media has been. Let's not even try to pretend it has been, because that's just asinine.

[Big Jim P]

Thy are being used to push an agenda.

People don't speak of their own agency now when it's a point you disagree with, I guess.

Hogg has said that himself.

Proof?

You first point is a strawman.

Your second, watch his interviews and read his tweets. He, and many others have directly blamed the NRA for these shootings, when, in fact, none of the shooters were associated with the NRA.

[Gig em Aggies]

Oh and here I was thinking you wanted to save lives my bad.

I am. CPR doesn't stop dying from gunshot wounds at all.

It not like almost adult kids could do something that I don't know would maybe prolong a victims life to the point they could survive but cpr

CPR is specifically for stopped hearts.

and stopping the bleeding and saving a life that way is for losers,

Reactive measures aren't addressing the core issue.

restricting millions of people's rights that won't do anything to stop the next mass shooting

So how many mass bombings have we had in schools in America since the regulations made after the Bath School bombing that've killed dozens of children? How many have we seen in theaters, sports stadiums, concerts, or elsewhere in America?

Actually it deals with breathing as well and in conjunction with clotting the blood coming from the bullet wounds a gun shot victim has a increased chance of survival. But who cares about that when restricting millions of innocent people's rights is waaaay more important then learning basic life saving skills or learning how to jerryrig a sling or brace, or any other simple medical techniques to prolong life.

[Torrocca]

People don't speak of their own agency now when it's a point you disagree with, I guess.



Proof?

You first point is a strawman.

Mmhmm. And kids are puppets to their masters with no real voices of their own because they disagree with your personal beliefs on guns.

Your second, watch his interviews and read his tweets. He, and many others have directly blamed the NRA for these shootings, when, in fact, none of the shooters were associated with the NRA.

Well the NRA's a piece of shit organization that should rightly get fucked so fuck them anyway. :^)

[Wysten]

"When I see you I can't help but think of looking down the barrel of an AR-15."

Gonna need a source and context to that quote.

You young people are funny acting like TV, Radio, Internet, Physical Mail, and Newspapers and magazines weren't method(s) to get a message out.

That's no where near as efficient as social media has been. Let's not even try to pretend it has been, because that's just asinine.

Here ya go :^)

[Torrocca]

I am. CPR doesn't stop dying from gunshot wounds at all.



CPR is specifically for stopped hearts.



Reactive measures aren't addressing the core issue.



So how many mass bombings have we had in schools in America since the regulations made after the Bath School bombing that've killed dozens of children? How many have we seen in theaters, sports stadiums, concerts, or elsewhere in America?

Actually it deals with breathing as well and in conjunction with clotting the blood coming from the bullet wounds a gun shot victim has a increased chance of survival.

I've literally never ever once heard of someone using CPR of all things to help a gunshot wound victim. Hell, my former JROTC instructor said that what you do is get pressure on a piece of cloth on the wound first and foremost, not CPR.

But who cares about that when restricting millions of innocent people's rights is waaaay more important

So how many mass bombings have we had in schools in America since the regulations made after the Bath School bombing that've killed dozens of children? How many have we seen in theaters, sports stadiums, concerts, or elsewhere in America?

then learning basic life saving skills or learning how to jerryrig a sling or brace, or any other simple medical techniques to prolong life.

Why should we ever have proactive laws meant to reduce anything dangerous to people whatsoever when we could just train children to become adhoc combat medics in an active shooting situation?

[Torrocca]

Gonna need a source and context to that quote.



That's no where near as efficient as social media has been. Let's not even try to pretend it has been, because that's just asinine.

Here ya go :^)

Hmm, context is that Rubio's got the NRA deep in his pockets and utterly refused to do anything meaningful in regards to the conversations he had with the kids there.

Yeah, I'm with him on that one. Rubio's a fuckwit.

[Wysten]

Actually it deals with breathing as well and in conjunction with clotting the blood coming from the bullet wounds a gun shot victim has a increased chance of survival.

I've literally never ever once heard of someone using CPR of all things to help a gunshot wound victim. Hell, my former JROTC instructor said that what you do is get pressure on a piece of cloth on the wound first and foremost, not CPR.

But who cares about that when restricting millions of innocent people's rights is waaaay more important

So how many mass bombings have we had in schools in America since the regulations made after the Bath School bombing that've killed dozens of children? How many have we seen in theaters, sports stadiums, concerts, or elsewhere in America?

then learning basic life saving skills or learning how to jerryrig a sling or brace, or any other simple medical techniques to prolong life.

Why should we ever have proactive laws meant to reduce anything dangerous to people whatsoever when we could just train children to become adhoc combat medics in an active shooting situation?

You do realize this is shit boy scouts learn their first year in right?

[Torrocca]

I've literally never ever once heard of someone using CPR of all things to help a gunshot wound victim. Hell, my former JROTC instructor said that what you do is get pressure on a piece of cloth on the wound first and foremost, not CPR.



So how many mass bombings have we had in schools in America since the regulations made after the Bath School bombing that've killed dozens of children? How many have we seen in theaters, sports stadiums, concerts, or elsewhere in America?



Why should we ever have proactive laws meant to reduce anything dangerous to people whatsoever when we could just train children to become adhoc combat medics in an active shooting situation?

You do realize this is shit boy scouts learn their first year in right?

And how is that preventing school shootings, which is the point of the "March For Our Lives" movement?

[Wysten]

Here ya go :^)

Hmm, context is that Rubio's got the NRA deep in his pockets and utterly refused to do anything meaningful in regards to the conversations he had with the kids there.

Yeah, I'm with him on that one. Rubio's a fuckwit.

So he deserved to be called a mass murder because he disagrees with someone?
Out of a 20 Million Dollar campaign according to WP Rubio only got around five grand from the NRA here

[Gig em Aggies]

Actually it deals with breathing as well and in conjunction with clotting the blood coming from the bullet wounds a gun shot victim has a increased chance of survival.

I've literally never ever once heard of someone using CPR of all things to help a gunshot wound victim. Hell, my former JROTC instructor said that what you do is get pressure on a piece of cloth on the wound first and foremost, not CPR.

But who cares about that when restricting millions of innocent people's rights is waaaay more important

So how many mass bombings have we had in schools in America since the regulations made after the Bath School bombing that've killed dozens of children? How many have we seen in theaters, sports stadiums, concerts, or elsewhere in America?

then learning basic life saving skills or learning how to jerryrig a sling or brace, or any other simple medical techniques to prolong life.

Why should we ever have proactive laws meant to reduce anything dangerous to people whatsoever when we could just train children to become adhoc combat medics in an active shooting situation?

Hello is anyone in there, I said using cpr inconjunction with clotting blood. Plus

Some time before 9:30 a.m. EST on Friday, December 14, 2012, Lanza shot and killed his mother Nancy Lanza, aged 52, at their Newtown home with a .22-caliber Savage MK II-F bolt action rifle.[27] Investigators later found her body clad in pajamas, in her bed, with four gunshot wounds to her head.[28] Lanza then drove to Sandy Hook Elementary School in his mother's car.[27][29]


Red circle: Sandy Hook Elementary School
Black circle: Lanza household
Mass shooting begins
Shortly after 9:35 a.m., using his mother's Bushmaster XM15-E2S rifle,[5][30][31] Lanza shot his way through a glass panel next to the locked front entrance doors of the school.[32][33][34] He was wearing black clothing, yellow earplugs, sunglasses,[35] an olive green utility vest, and was carrying magazines for the rifle.[36] Initial reports which had stated that he had been wearing body armor were incorrect.[37] Some of those present heard the initial shots on the school intercom system, which was being used for morning announcements.

this shooter shot and killed his mother then STOLE her rifle. So tell me how are any of the laws that you and the anti-freedom people proposing would have stopped sandyhook. Example: I mean I can go right now and steal my dads shotgun or steal a gun from a sporting goods store and shoot up someplace so how would a AWB or HCMB stop me mhhh. Why don't you tell me that.

[Wysten]

You do realize this is shit boy scouts learn their first year in right?

And how is that preventing school shootings, which is the point of the "March For Our Lives" movement?

I'm not saying that is going to prevent anything, I'm just saying you are comparing basic first aid to fully loaded comabt medics.

[Gig em Aggies]

First aid is the assistance given to any person suffering a sudden illness or injury,[1] with care provided to preserve life, prevent the condition from worsening, or to promote recovery. It includes initial intervention in a serious condition prior to professional medical help being available, such as performing CPR while awaiting an ambulance, as well as the complete treatment of minor conditions, such as applying a plaster to a cut. First aid is generally performed by the layperson, with many people trained in providing basic levels of first aid, and others willing to do so from acquired knowledge.

[Big Jim P]

You first point is a strawman.

Mmhmm. And kids are puppets to their masters with no real voices of their own because they disagree with your personal beliefs on guns.

Your second, watch his interviews and read his tweets. He, and many others have directly blamed the NRA for these shootings, when, in fact, none of the shooters were associated with the NRA.

Well the NRA's a piece of shit organization that should rightly get fucked so fuck them anyway. :^)

First: I don't require someone to agree with me to listen to them. Nor do I place an age limit.

Two: Why do you say the NRA is a shit organization? Disclaimer: Although I am a life member of the NRA, I thoroughly disagree with their current willingness to compromise on our inherent right to bear arms.

[Torrocca]

Hmm, context is that Rubio's got the NRA deep in his pockets and utterly refused to do anything meaningful in regards to the conversations he had with the kids there.

Yeah, I'm with him on that one. Rubio's a fuckwit.

So he deserved to be called a mass murder because he disagrees with someone?
Out of a 20 Million Dollar campaign according to WP Rubio only got around five grand from the NRA here

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Could've worked toward helping put in place proactive measures to prevent something like that from happening, like, oh I dunno, laws that disqualify people who've threatened murder and the like from being able to legally access a gun.

And how is that preventing school shootings, which is the point of the "March For Our Lives" movement?

I'm not saying that is going to prevent anything, I'm just saying you are comparing basic first aid to fully loaded comabt medics.

Yeah, because a school-shooting's a high stress situation where people are dying of multiple gunshot wounds and this asinine idea that kids, "should learn CPR," a-la Rick Santorum is fucking stupid because somehow a kid getting shot at is going to be able to stabilize their friend/classmate/teacher that's been shot calmly and safely and possibly save their life.

I've literally never ever once heard of someone using CPR of all things to help a gunshot wound victim. Hell, my former JROTC instructor said that what you do is get pressure on a piece of cloth on the wound first and foremost, not CPR.



So how many mass bombings have we had in schools in America since the regulations made after the Bath School bombing that've killed dozens of children? How many have we seen in theaters, sports stadiums, concerts, or elsewhere in America?



Why should we ever have proactive laws meant to reduce anything dangerous to people whatsoever when we could just train children to become adhoc combat medics in an active shooting situation?

Hello is anyone in there, I said using cpr inconjunction with clotting blood.

I'm pretty sure any medical professional ever would tell you that's a shitty idea.

Plus

Some time before 9:30 a.m. EST on Friday, December 14, 2012, Lanza shot and killed his mother Nancy Lanza, aged 52, at their Newtown home with a .22-caliber Savage MK II-F bolt action rifle.[27] Investigators later found her body clad in pajamas, in her bed, with four gunshot wounds to her head.[28] Lanza then drove to Sandy Hook Elementary School in his mother's car.[27][29]


Red circle: Sandy Hook Elementary School
Black circle: Lanza household
Mass shooting begins
Shortly after 9:35 a.m., using his mother's Bushmaster XM15-E2S rifle,[5][30][31] Lanza shot his way through a glass panel next to the locked front entrance doors of the school.[32][33][34] He was wearing black clothing, yellow earplugs, sunglasses,[35] an olive green utility vest, and was carrying magazines for the rifle.[36] Initial reports which had stated that he had been wearing body armor were incorrect.[37] Some of those present heard the initial shots on the school intercom system, which was being used for morning announcements.

this shooter shot and killed his mother then STOLE her rifle. So tell me how are any of the laws that you and the anti-freedom people proposing would have stopped sandyhook. Example: I mean I can go right now and steal my dads shotgun or steal a gun from a sporting goods store and shoot up someplace so how would a AWB or HCMB stop me mhhh. Why don't you tell me that.

Proactive measures such as making sure those guns were safely secured could've prevented that. Seriously, stop acting like I'm saying, "AUTOMATIC WEAPONS BAN," or, "HIGH CAPACITY MAGAZINE BAN," when I'm saying proactive measures because that's being disingenuous as all hell.

[Manokan Republic]

Here ya go :^)

Hmm, context is that Rubio's got the NRA deep in his pockets and utterly refused to do anything meaningful in regards to the conversations he had with the kids there.

Yeah, I'm with him on that one. Rubio's a fuckwit.

I love how you go from "the kids didn't say that" to "I support the kids saying that".

So here you go, you and the other people at the event actually blame the other side for being responsible for these tragedies. This is exactly what we're talking about.

[Big Jim P]

You do realize this is shit boy scouts learn their first year in right?

And how is that preventing school shootings, which is the point of the "March For Our Lives" movement?

The point to the march wasn't to prevent shootings. It was to support civilian disarmament.

[Torrocca]

Mmhmm. And kids are puppets to their masters with no real voices of their own because they disagree with your personal beliefs on guns.



Well the NRA's a piece of shit organization that should rightly get fucked so fuck them anyway. :^)

First: I don't require someone to agree with me to listen to them. Nor do I place an age limit.

Yet you insinuate the kids are being coached into having a political stance contrary your own. Hmm.

Two: Why do you say the NRA is a shit organization?

Oh I dunno, maybe the part where they promoted gun violence against those that disagreed with the GOP's agenda?

Disclaimer: Although I am a life member of the NRA, I thoroughly disagree with their current willingness to compromise on our inherent right to bear arms.

"Compromise"? What a load of baloney, they aren't even trying to do anything of the sort.

[Manokan Republic]

Two: Why do you say the NRA is a shit organization?

Oh I dunno, maybe the part where they promoted gun violence against those that disagreed with the GOP's agenda?

Oh? When?

[Torrocca]

Hmm, context is that Rubio's got the NRA deep in his pockets and utterly refused to do anything meaningful in regards to the conversations he had with the kids there.

Yeah, I'm with him on that one. Rubio's a fuckwit.

I love how you go from "the kids didn't say that" to "I support the kids saying that".

Yup, me asking for a source and context is equivalent to me saying that that wasn't said at all. Right.

So here you go, you and the other people at the event actually blame the other side for being responsible for these tragedies. This is exactly what we're talking about.

Nah, but fuck Rubio regardless. :^)

And how is that preventing school shootings, which is the point of the "March For Our Lives" movement?

The point to the march wasn't to prevent shootings. It was to support civilian disarmament.

Mmhmm. Whatever makes you paranoid about the current generation.

[Big Jim P]

First aid is the assistance given to any person suffering a sudden illness or injury,[1] with care provided to preserve life, prevent the condition from worsening, or to promote recovery. It includes initial intervention in a serious condition prior to professional medical help being available, such as performing CPR while awaiting an ambulance, as well as the complete treatment of minor conditions, such as applying a plaster to a cut. First aid is generally performed by the layperson, with many people trained in providing basic levels of first aid, and others willing to do so from acquired knowledge.

As an aside, I am taking CPR training tomorrow as a job requirement. I am in charge of a crew operating dangerous equipment that can do farm more damage to a person than a gun can.