Gun Control: Shiny Toy Guns

[Washington Resistance Army]

3. If you are being stabbed or attempted stabbed shoot to wound not to kill.

Yeah, no. If someone is trying to kill you then you should try to kill them ASAP.

[Gun Manufacturers]

This is simply the only LOGICAL way that the gun problem must be handled

Police- People must be required to announce that they are armed and then keep their hands on their head while the police take out the ID from where they tell them it is. Not announcing it must carry an automatic 5 year penalty regardless of how scared the holder is of telling the police. Police also should be banned from shooting unless an unannounced gun is found

Civilian- All conceal carry holders must be required to wear a badge stating they are armed. There is simply no reason not to.

Justifiable shootings- A shooting should only be justified if the person you shot had a gun pointed at you. Anything less should be voluntary manslaughter to 1st-degree murder

What you consider logical, isn't.

[Thermodolia]

This is simply the only LOGICAL way that the gun problem must be handled

Police- People must be required to announce that they are armed and then keep their hands on their head

Ok that’s sans the hands on head deal is pretty much standard procedure.

while the police take out the ID from where they tell them it is.

No cop is going to do that. That’s just unsafe

Not announcing it must carry an automatic 5 year penalty regardless of how scared the holder is of telling the police. Police also should be banned from shooting unless an unannounced gun is found

That’s just dumb

Civilian- All conceal carry holders must be required to wear a badge stating they are armed. There is simply no reason not to.

What happened the last time we told a certain group of people to wear a badge stating who they are. I wonder how that worked out.

Justifiable shootings- A shooting should only be justified if the person you shot had a gun pointed at you.

What about a knife? Or a guy hopped up on acid?

Anything less should be voluntary manslaughter to 1st-degree murder

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Dumb. Extremely dumb.

[Thermodolia]

He's back!

Lemmie just crack my neck and get into this.

So!

1. No, that's stupid.

2. No, that's also stupid.

3. That's even stupider!


I did it guys!

Okay but in all seriousness point one is completely unnecessary and betrays the fact you've never actually interacted with the police.

Point two is stupid because it defeats the purpose of concealed carry, namely, that it's concealed.

And point three is stupid because someone trying to stab me is absolutely a justified shooting.

well the 1st instance is better then you not saying you are armed and then one of them yelling HE HAS A GUN!

Responsible gun owners already inform the police that they are armed

2. No one should be allowed to hide their weapon. It just makes committing crimes and creating dangerous situations easier

Most crimes are committed by unconcealed guns not concealed

3. If you are being stabbed or attempted stabbed shoot to wound not to kill.

That’s extremely hard to do and extremely stupid. You don’t shoot to wound.

[Chernoslavia]

well the 1st instance is better then you not saying you are armed and then one of them yelling HE HAS A GUN!

Responsible gun owners already inform the police that they are armed

2. No one should be allowed to hide their weapon. It just makes committing crimes and creating dangerous situations easier

Most crimes are committed by unconcealed guns not concealed

3. If you are being stabbed or attempted stabbed shoot to wound not to kill.

That’s extremely hard to do and extremely stupid. You don’t shoot to wound.

Holy fuck man.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

Unless batteries have improved several leaps and bound in teh past 20 years, yeah... the mass of energy/fuel required to roast someone with a laser is about on-par with lugging a flamethrower.

Also about the same limit on trigger-time of about 9 seconds.

I mean don't get me wrong, battery technology has improved immeasurably in the past 20 years, just not to the extent that it would make laser rifles portable enough to carry around comfortably. It would involve something like a flamethrower setup, where one person is carrying the laser rifle, and a buddy is lugging around the battery pack on their back. But more likely both the person carrying the laser rifle and their buddy would each be carrying a battery pack, because the thing would burn through power in a ridiculously short time.

As far as civilian carry of such weapons is concerned, I doubt many civilians would want one, especially in the early days. Initially they are likely to be prohibitively expensive, extremely clunky to handle and carry around, unreliable, and have maintenance issues.

But actually another issue would be posed with laser weapons: shooting ranges would need a complete redesign in terms of the backstop. A laser beam would likely pass right through the sand or earth backstops that are used in outdoor ranges, and the combination of rubber/kevlar curtains and metal backplate in indoor ranges would possibly make the laser beam reflect back up the range! A potential counter to this, if shooting at paper/cardboard targets, would be to set the power of the beam so that it was just high enough to mark the paper/cardboard, and not cut right through it and continue down the range.

Well, high power lasers also have this tendancy to "haze" the lens, kinda like how cheap polycarb lenses pick up scratches, the tiny bit of opacity means that the lens picks up a fair amount of heat-buildup each time you fire, every time you fire, and unlike your targets, it'll never miss.

So at some point, you'll always need to replace the precision-ground crystal-clear glass. If it gets a premature scratch from dirt (or worse, gets a solid object stuck resting against it when fired) it'll be like squirting water at a lit lightbulb.

That, and the constant need to refocus the lens for any given range made the German HELEX system untennable... that burned roughly 2 tons of fuel per shot to take down a missile... this was deemed a fuel-efficient laser weapon, and still is regarded as such.
(the laser was essentially powered by a blast-frnace that'd dump 2 tons of fuel into a gas-dynamic laser for every 1.5 second burst. This is what it took to produce enough heat in the form of light to blow up an airplane. Exhaust heat was often 4x as intense and hazardous as the laser beam itself)

[Telconi]

Easy response to everything Keshiland will say until the end of time.

"NO!, that's foolish, and your reasoning is downright unacceptable."

[Hurtful Thoughts]

Easy response to everything Keshiland will say until the end of time.

"NO!, that's foolish, and your reasoning is downright unacceptable."

Keshi won't be back for another week.

Nice to see that you're rehearsing already, though.

ohwait... he got on parole!

Even some trained marksman can't hit a moving hand you always aim for center mass and keep firing until he turns tail or is on the ground bleeding.

I have had a lot of firearms training, and I'd class myself as a pretty good shot, and even I would struggle to hit a hand-sized target that was moving rapidly at close range. It just isn't possible, it really isn't.

To be fair, if you have the hand-eye coordination to shoot a hand, you could probably just steal his knife and stab the stabber to death with it.

If the stabber had that kind of skill, he'd be a freaking jedi slicing bullets in half anyways.

[Salandriagado]

well the 1st instance is better then you not saying you are armed and then one of them yelling HE HAS A GUN!

Responsible gun owners already inform the police that they are armed

2. No one should be allowed to hide their weapon. It just makes committing crimes and creating dangerous situations easier

Most crimes are committed by unconcealed guns not concealed

3. If you are being stabbed or attempted stabbed shoot to wound not to kill.

That’s extremely hard to do and extremely stupid. You don’t shoot to wound.

To be fair, you don't shoot to kill, either: you shoot to stop them, and the fact that this often results in death is just a side-effect.

[Uxupox]

He's back!

Lemmie just crack my neck and get into this.

So!

1. No, that's stupid.

2. No, that's also stupid.

3. That's even stupider!


I did it guys!

Okay but in all seriousness point one is completely unnecessary and betrays the fact you've never actually interacted with the police.

Point two is stupid because it defeats the purpose of concealed carry, namely, that it's concealed.

And point three is stupid because someone trying to stab me is absolutely a justified shooting.

well the 1st instance is better then you not saying you are armed and then one of them yelling HE HAS A GUN!

2. No one should be allowed to hide their weapon. It just makes committing crimes and creating dangerous situations easier

3. If you are being stabbed or attempted stabbed shoot to wound not to kill.

Excuse that person that is trying to save himself by calmly trying to wound hit a non-vital point in the body.

[The Two Jerseys]

well the 1st instance is better then you not saying you are armed and then one of them yelling HE HAS A GUN!

2. No one should be allowed to hide their weapon. It just makes committing crimes and creating dangerous situations easier

3. If you are being stabbed or attempted stabbed shoot to wound not to kill.

Excuse that person that is trying to save himself by calmly trying to wound hit a non-vital point in the body.

Is the guy with the knife going to be a sporting chap and stab at non-vital points as well?

[The New California Republic]

Excuse that person that is trying to save himself by calmly trying to wound hit a non-vital point in the body.

Is the guy with the knife going to be a sporting chap and stab at non-vital points as well?

To be honest, in that kind of dire situation you are within your rights to use any and all means available to save yourself from the guy with the knife, even eye gouging is fair play at that point.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

Excuse that person that is trying to save himself by calmly trying to wound hit a non-vital point in the body.

Is the guy with the knife going to be a sporting chap and stab at non-vital points as well?

I think I'm going to have to lean towards the Clint Eastwood approach to a fair fight

[Uxupox]

Excuse that person that is trying to save himself by calmly trying to wound hit a non-vital point in the body.

Is the guy with the knife going to be a sporting chap and stab at non-vital points as well?

it wouldn't be fair if he didn't.

[The Two Jerseys]

Is the guy with the knife going to be a sporting chap and stab at non-vital points as well?

it wouldn't be fair if he didn't.

Well that's awfully sporting of him.

But is he going to return my wallet and its contents, or are we playing for keeps?

[Sovaal]

This is simply the only LOGICAL way that the gun problem must be handled

Uh huh, I’m sure it will be. /s

Police- People must be required to announce that they are armed and then keep their hands on their head while the police take out the ID from where they tell them it is.

When do they have to do this?

Not announcing it must carry an automatic 5 year penalty

Yah nah.

regardless of how scared the holder is of telling the police.

So they have to follow the commands of the slave patrol, huh?

Police also should be banned from shooting unless an unannounced gun is found

So do you mean execution style or if they are threatened with a gun? What about other dangerous weapons?

Civilian- All conceal carry holders must be required to wear a badge stating they are armed. There is simply no reason not to.

Seems you don’t know the definiiion of ‘concealed’.

Justifiable shootings- A shooting should only be justified if the person you shot had a gun pointed at you. Anything less should be voluntary manslaughter to 1st-degree murder

So no protecting ourselves from unarmed rapists and muggers? What if they have a knife?

Think Keshi, what part of this is logical?

[Telconi]

Responsible gun owners already inform the police that they are armed


Most crimes are committed by unconcealed guns not concealed


That’s extremely hard to do and extremely stupid. You don’t shoot to wound.

To be fair, you don't shoot to kill, either: you shoot to stop them, and the fact that this often results in death is just a side-effect.

Ehhh, not quite...

[Uxupox]

it wouldn't be fair if he didn't.

Well that's awfully sporting of him.

But is he going to return my wallet and its contents, or are we playing for keeps?

glory to the first man who dies as well as their wallet?

[Sovaal]

To be fair, you don't shoot to kill, either: you shoot to stop them, and the fact that this often results in death is just a side-effect.

Ehhh, not quite...

I mean, tunes out that killing is a pretty effective measure to make someone stop doing something. Of course that requires shooting to kill, which if you pull out your lethal weapon should be the goal.

[Chernoslavia]

Ehhh, not quite...

I mean, tunes out that killing is a pretty effective measure to make someone stop doing something. Of course that requires shooting to kill, which if you pull out your lethal weapon should be the goal.

I’ll never forget my reaction to finding out that one law in the UK actually forbids you to shoot someone even when someone is trying to stab you. The law only allows you to use “equal force”.

[The Two Jerseys]

I mean, tunes out that killing is a pretty effective measure to make someone stop doing something. Of course that requires shooting to kill, which if you pull out your lethal weapon should be the goal.

I’ll never forget my reaction to finding out that one law in the UK actually forbids you to shoot someone even when someone is trying to stab you. The law only allows you to use “equal force”.

Wait, what?

[Hurtful Thoughts]

I’ll never forget my reaction to finding out that one law in the UK actually forbids you to shoot someone even when someone is trying to stab you. The law only allows you to use “equal force”.

Wait, what?

iirc, Australia has the same...

Although there, bringing your own knife to the knife fight can and has been construed as "pre-meditated" enough not to be self-defense.

So you're only allowed to try defending yourself if you aren't physically prepared to do so,

[Uxupox]

Wait, what?

iirc, Australia has the same...

Although there, bringing your own knife to the knife fight can and has been construed as "pre-meditated" enough not to be self-defense.

what kind of ridiculous laws of the land are that.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

iirc, Australia has the same...

Although there, bringing your own knife to the knife fight can and has been construed as "pre-meditated" enough not to be self-defense.

what kind of ridiculous laws of the land are that.

Someone, somewher, at some point, convinced another someone that [bringing something = being prepared to use something = intent to use]

So if you bring a weapon of any sort anywhere you're obviously intending to use it somehow.

I guess their fighter jets don't need ejection seats or parachutes, then. No body-armor for police, either.

A fire extinguisher, in my home?! But I have no intent to start a fire!

Seatbelts? I have no plans on crashing into that wombat...

Life insurance? But I don't plan on dying today...

... I have this feeling Keshi was agreeing with some lines of this text until he realized this post is satire.

[Ors Might]

what kind of ridiculous laws of the land are that.

Someone, somewher, at some point, convinced another someone that [bringing something = being prepared to use something = intent to use]

So if you bring a weapon of any sort anywhere you're obviously intending to use it somehow.

I guess their fighter jets don't need ejection seats or parachutes, then. No body-armor for police, either.

A fire extinguisher, in my home?! But I have no intent to start a fire!

Seatbelts? I have no plans on crashing into that wombat...

Life insurance? But I don't plan on dying today...

... I have this feeling Keshi was agreeing with some lines of this text until he realized this post is satire.

What the fuck