Gun Control: Shiny Toy Guns

[Fartsniffage]

That doesn't really matter though, because the combination of the 2nd Amendment and the pro-gun side sticking to their guns (pardon the pun) means that although they may be less numerous, a lot of them are willing to vote based on this one issue (which is understandable, considering to them it's a literal human right). The NRA is one expression of this effective use of their democratic power.

Also, as I said, the 2nd Amendment basically hands it to the pro-gun folks legally, so you guys might be stuck with them unless you're willing to amend your Constitution.

I'm anti-gun myself, by the way, I just try to see things from all sides.

The odds of this happening are so astronomically small that I actually lul'd. Its just not going to happen absent what will basically amount to a revolution.

Hasn't it happened like 27 times in the past?

[Licana]

As to those saying this movement is supporting a minority position, guess what? You're wrong.

A little quiz about Americans' opinions on specific types of gun control this movement is promoting. Every position, except a total gun ban which was also thrown in and not supported by them, has majority support, usually supermajority support.

>538

And yet, even this source makes this statement near the top of the article.

Americans’ support of gun laws is known to increase in the aftermath of a mass shooting, so these numbers may decrease as time (hopefully) passes without another incident.

Further, under what context are these questions asked? Do these people know how "strict" their gun laws are? Are their opinions coloured by the strictness (or lack thereof) of their state's gun laws? Do they know that any purchase coming through an FFL requires a background check already? Can they define what an "assault weapon" is? There's a lot of questions that can be asked that throw doubt in the usefulness of this poll in gauging popular support even without calling into question the demographics of those polled.

[Kernen]

Indeed. There's a reason why I don't argue over this topic for the US anymore. In my mind, we lost, you won and now we need to find other ways to fix the problems of mass shootings.

Glad to see some people on your side can see the writing on the wall.

The recent statistics do make it seem as though people on the whole support more gun control. But the trend over the last 30 years shows an overall progression in favor of gun rights over gun control, with only momentary spikes. where the gun grabbers are in the majority. I suspect this will settle relatively soon.

[Kernen]

The odds of this happening are so astronomically small that I actually lul'd. Its just not going to happen absent what will basically amount to a revolution.

Hasn't it happened like 27 times in the past?

Not with a Bill of Rights amendment. There are more than a few differences between the Bill of Rights and the subsequent amendments.

[Fartsniffage]

Hasn't it happened like 27 times in the past?

Not with a Bill of Rights amendment. There are more than a few differences between the Bill of Rights and the subsequent amendments.

Such as?

[Mujahidah]

Hasn't it happened like 27 times in the past?

Not with a Bill of Rights amendment. There are more than a few differences between the Bill of Rights and the subsequent amendments.

Legally speaking the Bill of Rights are just 10 Amendments that can be repealed just like any of the other ones can.

[Taihei Tengoku]

There's only two tribes in this holler, and it's only big enough for one.

The True Red Tribe will beat down the Red Reappropriators!

You are about as blue as they come.

[Kernen]

Not with a Bill of Rights amendment. There are more than a few differences between the Bill of Rights and the subsequent amendments.

Legally speaking the Bill of Rights are just 10 Amendments that can be repealed just like any of the other ones can.

D'aww.

Procedurally, yes. But they are the rights that were, in their original conception, were added because the Constitutional COnvention was unable to add them directly to the constitution at the time of drafting (if Founder correspondance is to be believed).

Amendments which guarantee substantive rights to individuals are guarded more jealously by courts and legislatures, and are therefore less likely to change.

Got anything else?

[Kernen]

Not with a Bill of Rights amendment. There are more than a few differences between the Bill of Rights and the subsequent amendments.

Such as?

Legally speaking the Bill of Rights are just 10 Amendments that can be repealed just like any of the other ones can.

D'aww.

Procedurally, yes. But they are the rights that were, in their original conception, were added because the Constitutional COnvention was unable to add them directly to the constitution at the time of drafting (if Founder correspondance is to be believed).

Amendments which guarantee substantive rights to individuals are guarded more jealously by courts and legislatures, and are therefore less likely to change.

Got anything else?

[Torrocca]

The True Red Tribe will beat down the Red Reappropriators!

You are about as blue as they come.

>Anarchist
>Blue

weeeeew laddie

[Mujahidah]

Legally speaking the Bill of Rights are just 10 Amendments that can be repealed just like any of the other ones can.

D'aww.

This is an extension of "Don't call me cute," though I can't remember if that was directed at you or someone else. Regardless, knock it off.

Procedurally, yes.

Thats all that matters. Legally, if there was enough political support, they could be repealed.

But they are the rights that were, in their original conception, were added because the Constitutional COnvention was unable to add them directly to the constitution at the time of drafting (if the Federalist papers are to be believed)

Amendments which guarantee substantive rights to individuals are guarded more jealously by courts and legislatures, and are therefore less likely to change.

I only said that it could be repealed, not that it should be or realistically will be.

Got anything else?

What's that supposed to mean? I never said that it should be repealed.

[Gig em Aggies]

Not with a Bill of Rights amendment. There are more than a few differences between the Bill of Rights and the subsequent amendments.

Legally speaking the Bill of Rights are just 10 Amendments that can be repealed just like any of the other ones can.

And how many times has anyone even gotten to a committee to amend or repeal any one of the Bill of Rights amendments? 0% just because their called amendments doesn't mean they should be amended.

[Mujahidah]

Legally speaking the Bill of Rights are just 10 Amendments that can be repealed just like any of the other ones can.

And how many times has anyone even gotten to a committee to amend or repeal any one of the Bill of Rights amendments? 0% just because their called amendments doesn't mean they should be amended.

Where did I advocate for repealing the 2A or did I say that such activity was practical?

[Kernen]

This is an extension of "Don't call me cute," though I can't remember if that was directed at you or someone else. Regardless, knock it off.

If you can't handle contempt toward your arguments, I can't help you. Block me?

Thats all that matters. Legally, if there was enough political support, they could be repealed.

Oh dear. No, realistically, that is not the case. It is theoretically possible for my Constitutional Textbook's atoms to all rearrange themselves into gold. It is so unlikely as to be virtually impossible.

I only said that it could be repealed, not that it should be or realistically will be.

Any my open contempt at that argument is focused entirely on the realism, not the legal possibility. Textbook. Atoms.

[Taihei Tengoku]

You are about as blue as they come.

>Anarchist
>Blue

weeeeew laddie

Whatever buzzword you describe yourself with is far less important than the cultural milieu you were raised in--and that you are splitting hairs over what word describes your specific ideology gives your Blueness away. You are a Blue Triber through and through, wishing to make the world one big university campus governed by thousands of student unions.

[Gig em Aggies]

And how many times has anyone even gotten to a committee to amend or repeal any one of the Bill of Rights amendments? 0% just because their called amendments doesn't mean they should be amended.

Where did I advocate for repealing the 2A or did I say that such activity was practical?

Legally speaking the Bill of Rights are just 10 Amendments that can be repealed just like any of the other ones can.

Right here since you seem to forget what you write one or two posts ago.

[Fartsniffage]

This is an extension of "Don't call me cute," though I can't remember if that was directed at you or someone else. Regardless, knock it off.

If you can't handle contempt toward your arguments, I can't help you. Block me?

Thats all that matters. Legally, if there was enough political support, they could be repealed.

Oh dear. No, realistically, that is not the case. It is theoretically possible for my Constitutional Textbook's atoms to all rearrange themselves into gold. It is so unlikely as to be virtually impossible.

I only said that it could be repealed, not that it should be or realistically will be.

Any my open contempt at that argument is focused entirely on the realism, not the legal possibility. Textbook. Atoms.

Stop being an ass. This is a thread for debate and discussion.

[Torrocca]

>Anarchist
>Blue

weeeeew laddie

Whatever buzzword you describe yourself with is far less important than the cultural milieu you were raised in--and that you are splitting hairs over what word describes your specific ideology gives your Blueness away. You are a Blue Triber through and through, wishing to make the world one big university campus governed by thousands of student unions.

f a l s e
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I'm an anarchist through and through :^)

[Mujahidah]

Where did I advocate for repealing the 2A or did I say that such activity was practical?

Legally speaking the Bill of Rights are just 10 Amendments that can be repealed just like any of the other ones can.

Right here since you seem to forget what you write one or two posts ago.

Thats not advocacy. I was pointing out that it could happen. I didn't say should. In fact, I believe that it should remain.

[Gig em Aggies]

If you can't handle contempt toward your arguments, I can't help you. Block me?



Oh dear. No, realistically, that is not the case. It is theoretically possible for my Constitutional Textbook's atoms to all rearrange themselves into gold. It is so unlikely as to be virtually impossible.



Any my open contempt at that argument is focused entirely on the realism, not the legal possibility. Textbook. Atoms.

Stop being an ass. This is a thread for debate and discussion.

And yet most of the time we all act like an ass but at least we still debate doesn't mean we can't act like an ass.

[Kernen]

If you can't handle contempt toward your arguments, I can't help you. Block me?



Oh dear. No, realistically, that is not the case. It is theoretically possible for my Constitutional Textbook's atoms to all rearrange themselves into gold. It is so unlikely as to be virtually impossible.



Any my open contempt at that argument is focused entirely on the realism, not the legal possibility. Textbook. Atoms.

Stop being an ass. This is a thread for debate and discussion.

I'm an ass. Its my schtick. I'm a bad person primarily because I'm an ass. Its why I'm studying law. Gotta channel that bad juju.

Granted, I only care about arguments. The people behind them are, on the whole, fine.

[Gig em Aggies]

Legally speaking the Bill of Rights are just 10 Amendments that can be repealed just like any of the other ones can.

Right here since you seem to forget what you write one or two posts ago.

Thats not advocacy. I was pointing out that it could happen. I didn't say should. In fact, I believe that it should remain.

Well if you want it to remain then don't bring hypothetical what ifs into the debate they mean nothing.

[Fartsniffage]

Stop being an ass. This is a thread for debate and discussion.

And yet most of the time we all act like an ass but at least we still debate doesn't mean we can't act like an ass.

Manners maketh man.

[Kernen]

And yet most of the time we all act like an ass but at least we still debate doesn't mean we can't act like an ass.

Manners maketh man.

Take all the fools out of this world and there wouldn't be any fun living in it, or profit. I'm just providing a service.

[Fartsniffage]

Manners maketh man.

Take all the fools out of this world and there wouldn't be any fun living in it, or profit. I'm just providing a service.

*locks you in a pub with me*