Gun Control: Shiny Toy Guns

[Telconi]

The fallout universe allowed Americans to own laser weapons.

Real lasers are notoriously inefficient, are prone to overheating, and draw large amounts of power. The large battery would need to be in the form of a backpack, which would likely weigh a lot, and would only give a few shots.

I think we will likely see portable Gauss rifles before we see portable laser weapons, but like lasers there are problems with inefficiency. Another problem would be the significant electromagnetic field that a Gauss rifle would generate, so don't wear an expensive wristwatch when using one, it would likely get fried...

Most expensive wristwatch I own isn't electrical...

Can't EMP springs! So there!

[The New California Republic]

Most expensive wristwatch I own isn't electrical...

Can't EMP springs! So there!

Magnetism affects mechanical watches too. I was once in an area in a University that had very high electromagnetic emissions, my mechanical watch stopped dead. It was even an anti-magnetic watch, but they are only proof against it up to a certain point. The thing fought hard, but it eventually gave in.

[Gig em Aggies]

Most expensive wristwatch I own isn't electrical...

Can't EMP springs! So there!

Magnetism affects mechanical watches too. I was once in an area in a University that had very high electromagnetic emissions, my mechanical watch stopped dead. It was even an anti-magnetic watch, but they are only proof against it up to a certain point. The thing fought hard, but it eventually gave in.

To be honest most detentions of emps will occur at very high altitudes so i think his mechanical watch will be safe.

[The New California Republic]

Magnetism affects mechanical watches too. I was once in an area in a University that had very high electromagnetic emissions, my mechanical watch stopped dead. It was even an anti-magnetic watch, but they are only proof against it up to a certain point. The thing fought hard, but it eventually gave in.

To be honest most detentions of emps will occur at very high altitudes so i think his mechanical watch will be safe.

I wasn't meaning EMP from nuclear detonations, I was referring to the electromagnetism of a Gauss rifle having the potential to interfere with any watch, even a mechanical one.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

The fallout universe allowed Americans to own laser weapons.

Real lasers are notoriously inefficient, are prone to overheating, and draw large amounts of power. The large battery would need to be in the form of a backpack, which would likely weigh a lot, and would only give a few shots.

I think we will likely see portable Gauss rifles before we see portable laser weapons, but like lasers there are problems with inefficiency. Another problem would be the significant electromagnetic field that a Gauss rifle would generate, so don't wear an expensive wristwatch when using one, it would likely get fried...

Unless batteries have improved several leaps and bound in teh past 20 years, yeah... the mass of energy/fuel required to roast someone with a laser is about on-par with lugging a flamethrower.

Also about the same limit on trigger-time of about 9 seconds.

Are cannons still legally allowed?

If they're muzzle loading cannons you don't even need paperwork.

But breech-loaders are fun!
-Beer-can mortars/howitzers are more practical, though, cement-filled cans...

[The New California Republic]

Real lasers are notoriously inefficient, are prone to overheating, and draw large amounts of power. The large battery would need to be in the form of a backpack, which would likely weigh a lot, and would only give a few shots.

Unless batteries have improved several leaps and bound in teh past 20 years, yeah... the mass of energy/fuel required to roast someone with a laser is about on-par with lugging a flamethrower.

Also about the same limit on trigger-time of about 9 seconds.

I mean don't get me wrong, battery technology has improved immeasurably in the past 20 years, just not to the extent that it would make laser rifles portable enough to carry around comfortably. It would involve something like a flamethrower setup, where one person is carrying the laser rifle, and a buddy is lugging around the battery pack on their back. But more likely both the person carrying the laser rifle and their buddy would each be carrying a battery pack, because the thing would burn through power in a ridiculously short time.

As far as civilian carry of such weapons is concerned, I doubt many civilians would want one, especially in the early days. Initially they are likely to be prohibitively expensive, extremely clunky to handle and carry around, unreliable, and have maintenance issues.

But actually another issue would be posed with laser weapons: shooting ranges would need a complete redesign in terms of the backstop. A laser beam would likely pass right through the sand or earth backstops that are used in outdoor ranges, and the combination of rubber/kevlar curtains and metal backplate in indoor ranges would possibly make the laser beam reflect back up the range! A potential counter to this, if shooting at paper/cardboard targets, would be to set the power of the beam so that it was just high enough to mark the paper/cardboard, and not cut right through it and continue down the range.

[Republic of Keshiland]

This is simply the only LOGICAL way that the gun problem must be handled

Police- People must be required to announce that they are armed and then keep their hands on their head while the police take out the ID from where they tell them it is. Not announcing it must carry an automatic 5 year penalty regardless of how scared the holder is of telling the police. Police also should be banned from shooting unless an unannounced gun is found

Civilian- All conceal carry holders must be required to wear a badge stating they are armed. There is simply no reason not to.

Justifiable shootings- A shooting should only be justified if the person you shot had a gun pointed at you. Anything less should be voluntary manslaughter to 1st-degree murder

[Len Hyet]

This is simply the only LOGICAL way that the gun problem must be handled

Police- People must be required to announce that they are armed and then keep their hands on their head while the police take out the ID from where they tell them it is. Not announcing it must carry an automatic 5 year penalty regardless of how scared the holder is of telling the police. Police also should be banned from shooting unless an unannounced gun is found

Civilian- All conceal carry holders must be required to wear a badge stating they are armed. There is simply no reason not to.

Justifiable shootings- A shooting should only be justified if the person you shot had a gun pointed at you. Anything less should be voluntary manslaughter to 1st-degree murder

He's back!

Lemmie just crack my neck and get into this.

So!

1. No, that's stupid.

2. No, that's also stupid.

3. That's even stupider!


I did it guys!

Okay but in all seriousness point one is completely unnecessary and betrays the fact you've never actually interacted with the police.

Point two is stupid because it defeats the purpose of concealed carry, namely, that it's concealed.

And point three is stupid because someone trying to stab me is absolutely a justified shooting.

[Republic of Keshiland]

This is simply the only LOGICAL way that the gun problem must be handled

Police- People must be required to announce that they are armed and then keep their hands on their head while the police take out the ID from where they tell them it is. Not announcing it must carry an automatic 5 year penalty regardless of how scared the holder is of telling the police. Police also should be banned from shooting unless an unannounced gun is found

Civilian- All conceal carry holders must be required to wear a badge stating they are armed. There is simply no reason not to.

Justifiable shootings- A shooting should only be justified if the person you shot had a gun pointed at you. Anything less should be voluntary manslaughter to 1st-degree murder

He's back!

Lemmie just crack my neck and get into this.

So!

1. No, that's stupid.

2. No, that's also stupid.

3. That's even stupider!


I did it guys!

Okay but in all seriousness point one is completely unnecessary and betrays the fact you've never actually interacted with the police.

Point two is stupid because it defeats the purpose of concealed carry, namely, that it's concealed.

And point three is stupid because someone trying to stab me is absolutely a justified shooting.

well the 1st instance is better then you not saying you are armed and then one of them yelling HE HAS A GUN!

2. No one should be allowed to hide their weapon. It just makes committing crimes and creating dangerous situations easier

3. If you are being stabbed or attempted stabbed shoot to wound not to kill.

[The New California Republic]

Police- People must be required to announce that they are armed and then keep their hands on their head while the police take out the ID from where they tell them it is. Not announcing it must carry an automatic 5 year penalty regardless of how scared the holder is of telling the police. Police also should be banned from shooting unless an unannounced gun is found

Nonsense. Punishing someone for being scared, are you serious?

Civilian- All conceal carry holders must be required to wear a badge stating they are armed. There is simply no reason not to.

What is the point of concealed carry if you are wearing a badge saying that you are? Do you know the Nazis tried a similar trick with people that they didn't like?

Justifiable shootings- A shooting should only be justified if the person you shot had a gun pointed at you. Anything less should be voluntary manslaughter to 1st-degree murder

Nope. If the person has a knife etc, then shooting them is entirely justified.

[Len Hyet]

He's back!

Lemmie just crack my neck and get into this.

So!

1. No, that's stupid.

2. No, that's also stupid.

3. That's even stupider!


I did it guys!

Okay but in all seriousness point one is completely unnecessary and betrays the fact you've never actually interacted with the police.

Point two is stupid because it defeats the purpose of concealed carry, namely, that it's concealed.

And point three is stupid because someone trying to stab me is absolutely a justified shooting.

well the 1st instance is better then you not saying you are armed and then one of them yelling HE HAS A GUN!

2. No one should be allowed to hide their weapon. It just makes committing crimes and creating dangerous situations easier

3. If you are being stabbed or attempted stabbed shoot to wound not to kill.

1. Or I just calmly inform the officer I'm a concealed carry holder and keep my hands on the steering wheel like a normal person.

2. It also makes defending yourself easier.

3. Shooting to wound is a myth, and we've just established once again you know absolutely nothing about guns.

[The New California Republic]

3. If you are being stabbed or attempted stabbed shoot to wound not to kill.

Nope. Impossible when you are being attacked, it is impossible to make a shot that accurate and discerning when you are being violently attacked. You aim for the center of mass and hope for the best.

[Great Minarchistan]

If you are being stabbed or attempted stabbed shoot to wound not to kill.

So people under a death threat carrying a gun would be prosecuted on your world if they used it to kill the stabber? I love how you want to reduce firearm deaths (that are already ridiculously low) by privileging criminals.

[Republic of Keshiland]

If you are being stabbed or attempted stabbed shoot to wound not to kill.

So people under a death threat carrying a gun would be prosecuted on your world if they used it to kill the stabber? I love how you want to reduce firearm deaths (that are already ridiculously low) by privileging criminals.

Just shoot the person in the hand that they have the knife in or shoot them in the foot not that hard. Killing someone with a short ranged weapon when yours is long ranged is not excusable

[Wysten]

So people under a death threat carrying a gun would be prosecuted on your world if they used it to kill the stabber? I love how you want to reduce firearm deaths (that are already ridiculously low) by privileging criminals.

Just shoot the person in the hand that they have the knife in or shoot them in the foot not that hard. Killing someone with a short ranged weapon when yours is long ranged is not excusable

Even some trained marksman can't hit a moving hand you always aim for center mass and keep firing until he turns tail or is on the ground bleeding.

[The New California Republic]

So people under a death threat carrying a gun would be prosecuted on your world if they used it to kill the stabber? I love how you want to reduce firearm deaths (that are already ridiculously low) by privileging criminals.

Just shoot the person in the hand that they have the knife in or shoot them in the foot not that hard. Killing someone with a short ranged weapon when yours is long ranged is not excusable

Wrong. You clearly have no idea of the practicalities of handling firearms, if you think that this is a realistic thing to be able to do during combat. It is perfectly reasonable to shoot to kill someone who is attacking you with a knife with intent to kill.

[The New California Republic]

Just shoot the person in the hand that they have the knife in or shoot them in the foot not that hard. Killing someone with a short ranged weapon when yours is long ranged is not excusable

Even some trained marksman can't hit a moving hand you always aim for center mass and keep firing until he turns tail or is on the ground bleeding.

I have had a lot of firearms training, and I'd class myself as a pretty good shot, and even I would struggle to hit a hand-sized target that was moving rapidly at close range. It just isn't possible, it really isn't.

[Salandriagado]

This is simply the only LOGICAL way that the gun problem must be handled

Police- People must be required to announce that they are armed and then keep their hands on their head while the police take out the ID from where they tell them it is. Not announcing it must carry an automatic 5 year penalty regardless of how scared the holder is of telling the police. Police also should be banned from shooting unless an unannounced gun is found

So if a murderer just announces that he's got his gun before he starts shooting, the police can't shoot back.

Civilian- All conceal carry holders must be required to wear a badge stating they are armed. There is simply no reason not to.

Missing the point.

Justifiable shootings- A shooting should only be justified if the person you shot had a gun pointed at you. Anything less should be voluntary manslaughter to 1st-degree murder

Someone having a knife to your throat? Or someone else's throat?

[Republic of Keshiland]

This is simply the only LOGICAL way that the gun problem must be handled

Police- People must be required to announce that they are armed and then keep their hands on their head while the police take out the ID from where they tell them it is. Not announcing it must carry an automatic 5 year penalty regardless of how scared the holder is of telling the police. Police also should be banned from shooting unless an unannounced gun is found

So if a murderer just announces that he's got his gun before he starts shooting, the police can't shoot back.

Civilian- All conceal carry holders must be required to wear a badge stating they are armed. There is simply no reason not to.

Missing the point.

Justifiable shootings- A shooting should only be justified if the person you shot had a gun pointed at you. Anything less should be voluntary manslaughter to 1st-degree murder

Someone having a knife to your throat? Or someone else's throat?

No the police cant shoot unless shot at. If you can get away you can't shoot

[Gig em Aggies]

This is simply the only LOGICAL way that the gun problem must be handled

Police- People must be required to announce that they are armed and then keep their hands on their head while the police take out the ID from where they tell them it is. Not announcing it must carry an automatic 5 year penalty regardless of how scared the holder is of telling the police. Police also should be banned from shooting unless an unannounced gun is found

So if a murderer just announces that he's got his gun before he starts shooting, the police can't shoot back.

Civilian- All conceal carry holders must be required to wear a badge stating they are armed. There is simply no reason not to.

Missing the point.

Justifiable shootings- A shooting should only be justified if the person you shot had a gun pointed at you. Anything less should be voluntary manslaughter to 1st-degree murder

Someone having a knife to your throat? Or someone else's throat?

You know after Georgia let me down in the National Championship I know that K wont with his endless amounts of foolery and uninformed ideas and antics.

[Wysten]

So if a murderer just announces that he's got his gun before he starts shooting, the police can't shoot back.



Missing the point.



Someone having a knife to your throat? Or someone else's throat?

You know after Georgia let me down in the National Championship I know that K wont with his endless amounts of foolery and uninformed ideas and antics.

ROLL TIDE

[The New California Republic]

So if a murderer just announces that he's got his gun before he starts shooting, the police can't shoot back.

No the police cant shoot unless shot at. If you can get away you can't shoot

Nonsense. Total nonsense. So if a gunman is shooting civilians but not the police, then the police can't shoot the gunman? Absolute lunacy...

[Wysten]

So if a murderer just announces that he's got his gun before he starts shooting, the police can't shoot back.



Missing the point.



Someone having a knife to your throat? Or someone else's throat?

No the police cant shoot unless shot at. If you can get away you can't shoot

So not only do you not have any idea about how guns work you also have no idea have the police work either and you no experience dealing with either of them so please put all your ideas here

[Zeclil]

So people under a death threat carrying a gun would be prosecuted on your world if they used it to kill the stabber? I love how you want to reduce firearm deaths (that are already ridiculously low) by privileging criminals.

Just shoot the person in the hand that they have the knife in or shoot them in the foot not that hard. Killing someone with a short ranged weapon when yours is long ranged is not excusable

You've clearly never shot a gun before.

As an aside

[Salandriagado]

So people under a death threat carrying a gun would be prosecuted on your world if they used it to kill the stabber? I love how you want to reduce firearm deaths (that are already ridiculously low) by privileging criminals.

Just shoot the person in the hand that they have the knife in or shoot them in the foot not that hard. Killing someone with a short ranged weapon when yours is long ranged is not excusable

Nobody in the world can shoot like that. Also, what happens if the person with the knife is already at close range?