Gun Control: Shiny Toy Guns

[Manokan Republic]

Interesting. What leads you to believe guns are so bad?

That we have more deaths by the hands of Americans with guns then by terrorist attacks by terrorist organizations. Also because of guns we have the most murderous police force in the world. A study just came out that showed over 2000 people a year are shot or killed by police in the US. Lastly over 83K people are injured by guns each year. This is why I hate guns.

88,0000 people die a year from alcohol, roughly 60,000 from illegal drugs, and 480,000 die from cigarettes and tobacco products. This includes other innocent people in car accidents, people exposed to second hand smoke and even, violence, as the drugs can alter their minds, with roughly 46.7% of violent criminals classifying as drug dependent, compared to about 9.4% of the population that use drugs, and drug users being more likely to commit violent crimes in general. 14.6% of marijuana users committed violent crimes, compared to 6.3% of monthly alcohol abusers, and 2.7% of people not on any drugs. [1] Those on the left often ironically argue for legalizing drugs which kill WAY more than guns, like 10,000 murders a year, but not guns because, although guns can be used for self defense and drugs are completely worthless to society other than for recreation, they themselves take drugs, so how can they argue to ban them? It's nothing but hypocrisy, favoritism about their own personal biases on what they want to keep, not death tolls.

Terrorism is a very small portion of all deaths in the U.S., and the big thing is to keep out of the U.S. instead of like countries where it's more common and thousands die a year. Terrorism is more of a problem when it destroys hospitals and that sort of thing, turning an area in to a warzone where 10 times as many people die from starvation and medical problems due to a lack of services rather than the terrorism itself. And that aside, having terrorism as an arbitrary rubric is pointless.

[Manokan Republic]

Alright Keshi, fuck off with that shit.


Anyway, nothings you’ve put forth is doable or legal.

It would be doable in almost every other country (free country) on earth.

This isn't really the case like you might think it is.

When I did a comparison of United Nations figures of gun ownership and compared it to the homicide rate, I found that most of the countries with low murders (in to the top 25 lowest) had a higher than average world gun ownership rate, or over 8.9 guns per person. These figures are self reported and some countries, such as Japan, are known to distort their figures specifically for political purposes but, I'll include them anyways. 20 out of the 25 (80%) of countries with the lowest homicide rates in the world had a higher gun ownership rate higher than the world average (or 8.9 guns per 100 people). Of these, 15 had a gun ownership rate higher than 15 per person (60%), and 7 (28%) have a firearm ownership rate of 30 per 100. For countries with the highest homicide rates, 8 out of 25 (32%) had higher gun ownership rate than the world average. Only 2 out of 25 (8%) had a rate at or above 15.0, and zero had a rate higher than 30.0. Essentially, 80% of country's had more than the world average for gun ownership, and 60% had significantly more than the world average, compared to 32% and 8% for high homicides. This means that, country's with high homicides tend to have less guns, and country's with low homicides tend to have more guns, implying a positive benefit for owning more guns. The type of gun also makes little difference, with handguns used for most murders in general (roughly 90% of mass shootings and 98% of regular murders), and the worst mass shooting in the world, in Norway, killing 67 people. So tiny pocket pistols tend to be as lethal as large "assault rifles" or even slightly worse.

[Len Hyet]

New Hogue grips for my SP101 should improve my gun control considerably.

"What does gun control mean to you?"

"Proper breathing and trigger squeeze."

[The New California Republic]

Nope, we are not going to indulge your little authoritarian fantasies again, Keshiland.

You can argue against someone's "fantasies" without making a post that is nothing but a cheap flamebaity jab at the player. Knock it off.

I want to apologize. I was hitting the bottle very hard yesterday, and may have led me to lash out a bit, and that was completely uncalled for and inappropriate. But the drink wasn't at fault, it was ultimately me, so the responsibility for all that is mine and mine alone, so I sincerely apologize for my behavior. It won't happen again.

[Thermodolia]

hahahahaha wait let me laugh harder hahahahahaha you wish. plus how will YOU pay for all this to be implemented?

Yes I will take a 1% tax hike to get 90% of the american population banned from owning a firearm.

A 1% tax hike isn't going to cut it. It's going to more like a 50% tax hike

[Thermodolia]

Interesting. What leads you to believe guns are so bad?

That we have more deaths by the hands of Americans with guns then by terrorist attacks by terrorist organizations. Also because of guns we have the most murderous police force in the world. A study just came out that showed over 2000 people a year are shot or killed by police in the US. Lastly over 83K people are injured by guns each year. This is why I hate guns.

So by that logic you should hate drugs, yet you don't

[Holy Tedalonia]

Damn, Keshi got banned again? This is happening more and more.

[The Two Jerseys]

How about this if you want a gun you must pass military training (not serve)

How does that ensure good conduct?

Considering that several mass shooters passed military training (and actually served on top of it), it doesn't.

[The New California Republic]

How does that ensure good conduct?

Considering that several mass shooters passed military training (and actually served on top of it), it doesn't.

Don't forget Lee Harvey Oswald had military training, and he definitely could be trusted with a gun. Not.

[Thermodolia]

Considering that several mass shooters passed military training (and actually served on top of it), it doesn't.

Don't forget Lee Harvey Oswald had military training, and he definitely could be trusted with a gun. Not.

Or Timothy McVeigh, who was a Gulf war veteran.

Hey would you look at that the military is full of assholes just like the civilian world is

[The New California Republic]

Don't forget Lee Harvey Oswald had military training, and he definitely could be trusted with a gun. Not.

Or Timothy McVeigh, who was a Gulf war veteran.

Hey would you look at that the military is full of assholes just like the civilian world is

Or Charles Whitman, who also had military training. Although in that case there was the possibility that an undiagnosed brain tumor affected his behavior. But that fact just proves even more that military training is no guarantee of "good behavior" with firearms.

[Salandriagado]

Don't forget Lee Harvey Oswald had military training, and he definitely could be trusted with a gun. Not.

Or Timothy McVeigh, who was a Gulf war veteran.

Hey would you look at that the military is full of assholes just like the civilian world is

Turns out, military training mostly makes sure you hit the thing that you're trying to hit, not that you don't shoot at the wrong things.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Considering that several mass shooters passed military training (and actually served on top of it), it doesn't.

Don't forget Lee Harvey Oswald had military training, and he definitely could be trusted with a gun. Not.

I trust him with a gun, but I don't trust him upholding the law.

[Big Jim P]

New Hogue grips for my SP101 should improve my gun control considerably.

"What does gun control mean to you?"

"Proper breathing and trigger squeeze."

Hitting what you aim for.

[Thermodolia]

"What does gun control mean to you?"

"Proper breathing and trigger squeeze."

Hitting what you aim for.

Got two head shots tonight while shooting at the range

[Big Jim P]

Hitting what you aim for.

Got two head shots tonight while shooting at the range

Good shooting.

[The New California Republic]

Hitting what you aim for.

Got two head shots tonight while shooting at the range

I once beat my instructor's time when doing a timed multiple target engagement with a pistol, it was only by a hundredth of a second, but it was still amazing regardless.

[Thermodolia]

Got two head shots tonight while shooting at the range

Good shooting.

I thought so considering that I haven't shot in three-four months

[Paddy O Fernature]

Know I'm late, but Merry Christmas Gun Control threadders.

Enjoy the gift of on topic Songify.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

Know I'm late, but Merry Christmas Gun Control threadders.

Enjoy the gift of on topic Songify.

I raise you some tasty satire

[Gig em Aggies]

Know I'm late, but Merry Christmas Gun Control threadders.

Enjoy the gift of on topic Songify.

I raise you some tasty satire

nice one I needed that after coming off my ban

[Hurtful Thoughts]

I raise you some tasty satire

nice one I needed that after coming off my ban

Meanwhile, gun control in Russia

[Greed and Death]

Considering that several mass shooters passed military training (and actually served on top of it), it doesn't.

Don't forget Lee Harvey Oswald had military training, and he definitely could be trusted with a gun. Not.

He also defected to the Soviet Union came back when he realized communism sucked in the soviet union.
Attempted to Defect to Cuba then shot Kennedy believing doing so would help him be accepted there.

Yes defecting should bar Firearm ownership. Background checks weren't a thing back then.

[United Muscovite Nations]

After thinking about it for a while, I can't really think of any constitutional basis for prohibiting people from owning firearms on the basis of simply having a mental illness. Is there an angle I'm missing?

[Ors Might]

After thinking about it for a while, I can't really think of any constitutional basis for prohibiting people from owning firearms on the basis of simply having a mental illness. Is there an angle I'm missing?

I could only see an argument for it being justified if the person in question is prevented from functioning safely outside of a mental ward but even then it’s questionable as they’re both a minority among the mentally ill and I don’t imagine they’re given guns anyway.