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Postby Valgora » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:42 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
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I don't think starting a world war is really relevant to this conversation.

If genocide is relevant then world war is relevant.
Valgora wrote:Genocide is the killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group/race.
That is a form of taking away rights.

I didn't say it's worse because it's not taking away rights. I said it's worse because the argument is ignoring the sheer gravity of genocide compared to gun control.


I never said that genocide is like gun control, I merely stated that both are forms of removing rights.
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Postby Tobleste » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:42 pm

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So if you had to choose between Americans being entirely banned from owning guns and being mass murdered, you'd see it as a 50/50 decision?


Having guns helps prevent mass murders being done by the government.


That's not what I asked and that's very debatable. Poland had guns. It didn't help them.
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Postby Kernen » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:43 pm

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Kernen wrote:You're one to talk.

Yes, because it happens a lot of times. ;)

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Postby Chernoslavia » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:43 pm

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Valgora wrote:
Yes

Plus, do you think that gun grabbers will go to the Gun Talk thread to debate?

If they started talking about regulating guns in the Gun Talk thread you'd sure find it on topic.


Or we'd just direct them to this thread like last time.
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Postby Sovaal » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:43 pm

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Kernen wrote:You're one to talk.


I bet you own a Casio watch too.

I mean at this point most of the people on this thread, of not the forum, are on a list probably.
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Postby Tobleste » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:44 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
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So if you had to choose between Americans being entirely banned from owning guns and being mass murdered, you'd see it as a 50/50 decision?

Nonsensical hypothetical hyperbole. A holy trinity.


It isn't hyperbole. He was the one who compared gun control to genocide. I'm asking which one he sees as worse. Blame him if you think it's nonsense.
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Postby Valgora » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:44 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
Valgora wrote:
Yes

Plus, do you think that gun grabbers will go to the Gun Talk thread to debate?

If they started talking about regulating guns in the Gun Talk thread you'd sure find it on topic.


It would be on topic; however, having a thread that's specifically for debating gun control and one to talk guns with others is better than having just one about guns in general.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:44 pm

Kernen wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:Yes, because it happens a lot of times. ;)

You're welcome to find all the examples of my psychoanalysis in the thread. You'll find no others. Insofar as what I said was in any way psychoanalysis.

Now where did I say you psychoanalyze? I said the forum loves psychoanalyzing me even without a doctorate.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:45 pm

Valgora wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:So The People's Front of Judea versus the Judean People's Front.


Yes

Plus, do you think that gun grabbers will go to the Gun Talk thread to debate?


Will that make the gun strokers angry?
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Postby Valgora » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:45 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Valgora wrote:
Yes

Plus, do you think that gun grabbers will go to the Gun Talk thread to debate?


Will that make the gun strokers angry?


Not really. It's just that we have a thread for specifically debating gun control.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:45 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:If they started talking about regulating guns in the Gun Talk thread you'd sure find it on topic.


Or we'd just direct them to this thread like last time.

While continuing to brag about guns owned or fired in this thread at the same time.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:46 pm

Tobleste wrote:
Valgora wrote:
Having guns helps prevent mass murders being done by the government.


That's not what I asked and that's very debatable. Poland had guns. It didn't help them.


59,000 casualties say it did...
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:46 pm

Valgora wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:If genocide is relevant then world war is relevant.

I didn't say it's worse because it's not taking away rights. I said it's worse because the argument is ignoring the sheer gravity of genocide compared to gun control.


I never said that genocide is like gun control, I merely stated that both are forms of removing rights.

That's literally saying genocide is like gun control.

Saying both are forms of removing rights is drawing a comparison, is saying genocide is like gun control.
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Postby Len Hyet » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:46 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Kernen wrote:You're one to talk.


I bet you own a Casio watch too.

Hey hey hey hey hey hey hey.

Leave my watch out of these shenanigans.

Petrasylvania wrote:
Kernen wrote:You're welcome to find all the examples of my psychoanalysis in the thread. You'll find no others. Insofar as what I said was in any way psychoanalysis.

Now where did I say you psychoanalyze? I said the forum loves psychoanalyzing me even without a doctorate.

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Kernen wrote:He won't respond. It doesn't fit his narrative.

I love how people love to psychoanalyze me every time I post.


Dude you literally just said that.
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Postby Valgora » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:46 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
Kernen wrote:You're welcome to find all the examples of my psychoanalysis in the thread. You'll find no others. Insofar as what I said was in any way psychoanalysis.

Now where did I say you psychoanalyze? I said the forum loves psychoanalyzing me even without a doctorate.


You don't need a doctorate to psychoanalyze.
Plus, we're not psychoanalyzing you, we're psychologically evaluating you.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:47 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Valgora wrote:
Yes

Plus, do you think that gun grabbers will go to the Gun Talk thread to debate?


Will that make the gun strokers angry?


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Kernen wrote:You're one to talk.


I bet you own a Casio watch too.


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Postby Petrasylvania » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:47 pm

Len Hyet wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
I bet you own a Casio watch too.

Hey hey hey hey hey hey hey.

Leave my watch out of these shenanigans.

Petrasylvania wrote:Now where did I say you psychoanalyze? I said the forum loves psychoanalyzing me even without a doctorate.

Petrasylvania wrote:I love how people love to psychoanalyze me every time I post.


Dude you literally just said that.

He claimed I was accusing him of psychoanalyzing and I made my point clear. Reading is Fundamental. :^]
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Kramanica wrote:
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You really do confuse me sometimes.


Like I said: I'm pro-gun, anti-right-wing-isms. :^)
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Petrasylvania wrote:
Len Hyet wrote:Hey hey hey hey hey hey hey.

Leave my watch out of these shenanigans.




Dude you literally just said that.

He claimed I was accusing him of psychoanalyzing and I made my point clear. Reading is Fundamental. :^]

But you were accusing him of psychoanalyzing. It's right fucking there.

If you weren't accusing him you wouldn't have said anything.
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Len Hyet wrote:Hey hey hey hey hey hey hey.

Leave my watch out of these shenanigans.




Dude you literally just said that.

He claimed I was accusing him of psychoanalyzing and I made my point clear. Reading is Fundamental. :^]

Pretending you weren't accusing him of psychoanalyzing you by putting a :^] at the end of your comment only further degrades your ever eroding claims of honest-effort posting :^]
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Postby Valgora » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:49 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
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I never said that genocide is like gun control, I merely stated that both are forms of removing rights.

That's literally saying genocide is like gun control.

Saying both are forms of removing rights is drawing a comparison, is saying genocide is like gun control.


Drawing a comparison is not the same as saying these two things are the same.
Both are forms of removing rights, that's merely a fact. I'm not trying to say gun control = genocide (although not having guns could make it easier for the government to commit genocide but I'm not going into that right now).
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Postby Kramanica » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:51 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:TIL the columbine shooting was the result of a failed bombing plot.

Propane and ball bearings were in the cafeteria, but they failed with the trigger device.

Originally they intended to use the guns to finish off survivors and those attempting to flee.

When the bomb failed, they went with a shooting instead.

When I read that thread, people pointed out that a tank of propane and a few bags of ballbearings are much more lethal than guns.

I was also reminded of the pressure cooker attack on that marathon.

Banning guns won't solve mass killings.

Their plan was to blow the school up and shoot people as they ran out.

If the bombs they placed in the cafeteria had went off with full force a lot more people would have died.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:54 pm

Valgora wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:That's literally saying genocide is like gun control.

Saying both are forms of removing rights is drawing a comparison, is saying genocide is like gun control.


Drawing a comparison is not the same as saying these two things are the same.

Like=/=same
Both are forms of removing rights, that's merely a fact. I'm not trying to say gun control = genocide (although not having guns could make it easier for the government to commit genocide but I'm not going into that right now).

The only two conceivable reason I can think of that somebody would draw such a comparison is to make the opponent seem like a Nazi. Otherwise the statement is trivially true and not worth saying.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:54 pm

Valgora wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:That's literally saying genocide is like gun control.

Saying both are forms of removing rights is drawing a comparison, is saying genocide is like gun control.


Drawing a comparison is not the same as saying these two things are the same.
Both are forms of removing rights, that's merely a fact. I'm not trying to say gun control = genocide (although not having guns could make it easier for the government to commit genocide but I'm not going into that right now).

I don't recall a government intent on eradicating a populace being stopped by a handful of people with small arms in history.
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