Gun Control: Shiny Toy Guns

[Gig em Aggies]

Just a reminder it might be a little while before i can get the next gun control up and running.

[Telconi]

It's the status quo in society, and has had a number of effects and influences a lot of behaviors. When discussing minority communities, if you don't routinely bring up racism and it's impacts, you're doing it wrong and your explanations and models will be faulty.

So it goes for issues involving men. I keep bringing it up and pointing out connections, but feminists are usually like "Everythings about feminism with you!" rather than actually addressing my points.

Do you contest the point that feminism contributed to a rise in fatherless households?
Do you contest the point that fatherless households are relevant to gun crime statistics?

If you don't contest it, but don't like it being brought up, that seems like you're just in denial and angry that feminism isn't as positive as you pretend it is.

It is both relevant and true. Deal with it.

How many shooters come from fatherless houses?
I mean mass shootings, not gang violence. I feel that they have different root causes.

I think they are different, I also think gang violence is the more pressing issue, as shocking as mass shootings are, that many kids die all the time to scattered gang violence and just plain old murder and nobody bats an eye.

[New Emeline]

Feminism is obsolete.

This is like arguing using leeches in medicine is obsolete. It's not obsolete, it was shit in the first place.

Many people would disagree with you on that.

Also, unrelated, but leeches can be used in medicine, just not the way they did in the Middle Ages. They can be used to increase circulation in reattached digits.

[Tobleste]

Yes. What's the comparison?

So because you disagree with them, their view is horrific and it's inexcusable that they're campaigning on it?

So you think campaigning for stronger gun laws with the aim of making society safer is equally wrong as campaigning for the genocide of 16 million people?

[Thermodolia]

Just a reminder it might be a little while before i can get the next gun control up and running.

Damn 500 pages already. Wow

[Petrasylvania]

Feminism is obsolete.

This is like arguing using leeches in medicine is obsolete. It's not obsolete, it was shit in the first place.

So you think women daring to demand equality in the first place was a mistake. :^]

[Telconi]

So because you disagree with them, their view is horrific and it's inexcusable that they're campaigning on it?

So you think campaigning for stronger gun laws with the aim of making society safer is equally wrong as campaigning for the genocide of 16 million people?

Yes.

[Gig em Aggies]

So because you disagree with them, their view is horrific and it's inexcusable that they're campaigning on it?

So you think campaigning for stronger gun laws with the aim of making society safer is equally wrong as campaigning for the genocide of 16 million people?

instead of wasting more money, ink, and paper to pass new laws you enforce the ones already on the books.

[Thermodolia]

This is like arguing using leeches in medicine is obsolete. It's not obsolete, it was shit in the first place.

So you think women daring to demand equality in the first place was a mistake. :^]

A four year old could come up with better bait

[Fartsniffage]

Feminism is obsolete.

This is like arguing using leeches in medicine is obsolete. It's not obsolete, it was shit in the first place.

Leeches are used in modern medicine.

[Valgora]

Feminism is obsolete.

This is like arguing using leeches in medicine is obsolete. It's not obsolete, it was shit in the first place.

Risking going off track: feminism has been very important. Without it we might still have Victorian Domesticity and women might not be able to vote. Not all forms of feminism are good, but to say feminism in itself is bad is not true.

That's the last I'm going to talk about it on this thread. Don't want to be the cause of going massively off track.

[Ostroeuropa]

This is like arguing using leeches in medicine is obsolete. It's not obsolete, it was shit in the first place.

So you think women daring to demand equality in the first place was a mistake. :^]

"So you're sayin'"

The notion that sexism = misogyny was shit in the first place, and its something some modern feminists are starting to admit to themselves, but unfortunately they come from a movement that has framed so many misandry caused problems as misogyny that they're still not very good on the topic because they often don't bother to re-evaluate what they think they know. As an example the bias against fathers, and the demonization of men on the topics of domestic violence and rape, are directly related to the activities of the feminist movement and its gynocentric framework, and those issues cause the perception of men as unsafe to children, which in turn, generates fatherlessness and may contribute to the prison gap by making judges see men as less important to their families than women. (Women often get lighter sentences because the children need them.) Fatherlessness has ties to crime, and violent crime, and mass shootings.

It's the status quo in society, and has had a number of effects and influences a lot of behaviors. When discussing minority communities, if you don't routinely bring up racism and it's impacts, you're doing it wrong and your explanations and models will be faulty.

So it goes for issues involving men. I keep bringing it up and pointing out connections, but feminists are usually like "Everythings about feminism with you!" rather than actually addressing my points.

Do you contest the point that feminism contributed to a rise in fatherless households?
Do you contest the point that fatherless households are relevant to gun crime statistics?

If you don't contest it, but don't like it being brought up, that seems like you're just in denial and angry that feminism isn't as positive as you pretend it is.

It is both relevant and true. Deal with it.

How many shooters come from fatherless houses?
I mean mass shootings, not gang violence. I feel that they have different root causes.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2018/ ... 35596.html

26/27 of the deadliest mass shootings.

[Tobleste]

So you think campaigning for stronger gun laws with the aim of making society safer is equally wrong as campaigning for the genocide of 16 million people?

Yes.

And you think your opponents are extremists but you aren't?

[Valgora]

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2018/ ... 35596.html

26/27 of the deadliest mass shootings.

I'd argue that being from a fatherless home is not a primary reason for mass shootings. I think that there are other causes that factor in that have a much bigger impact.

[Telconi]

Yes.

And you think your opponents are extremists but you aren't?

Yes.

[Ostroeuropa]

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2018/ ... 35596.html

26/27 of the deadliest mass shootings.

I'd argue that being from a fatherless home is not a primary reason for mass shootings. I think that there are other causes that factor in that have a much bigger impact.

It's one of the major predictive things. It's not the only one, but it is one. Dealing with it is necessary to deal with the issue.

[Chernoslavia]

Feminism is obsolete.

This is like arguing using leeches in medicine is obsolete. It's not obsolete, it was shit in the first place.

Don't think that's the right analogy to use but I suppose you're right. What I really hate more than feminism though are ''male-feminists''. I can understand females getting sucked into that nonsense, but with male feminists there has to be a level of self-hatred in em. Like ''we're the reason for everything wrong with society!'', I don't understand how any self-respecting male could be bullied into that kind of self hatred and submission.

[Hammer Britannia]

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2018/ ... 35596.html

26/27 of the deadliest mass shootings.

I'd argue that being from a fatherless home is not a primary reason for mass shootings. I think that there are other causes that factor in that have a much bigger impact.

I'd argue that it's just another straw on the back

Bullying, Fatherlessness, Poor Economics, Family Issues, etc.

All of that mixed together only leads to disaster.

[Tobleste]

And you think your opponents are extremists but you aren't?

Yes.

Well in case you're wondering, this is why millions of Americans think you and people with similar opinions to you are effectively heartless monsters. And no. It's not just because they disagree with you.

[Hammer Britannia]

Yes.

Well in case you're wondering, this is why millions of Americans think you and people with similar opinions to you are effectively heartless monsters. And no. It's not just because they disagree with you.

Why do millions think the oppisite? That those wanting gun control are hearless monsters who want to steal our freedoms?

[New Emeline]

Yes.

Well in case you're wondering, this is why millions of Americans think you and people with similar opinions to you are effectively heartless monsters. And no. It's not just because they disagree with you.

I don't know if I would go as far as that. Most gun control supporters don't think pro gun people are monsters, but that's just my experience.

[The Black Forrest]

Does he now? What about?

Presumably being a hateful evil monster?

Ahhh hate. I guess if you hate anybody that speaks out against your....well....desires they must be hateful.

[The Black Forrest]

Does he now? What about?

About respecting rights?

What rights are those?

[Telconi]

Yes.

Well in case you're wondering, this is why millions of Americans think you and people with similar opinions to you are effectively heartless monsters. And no. It's not just because they disagree with you.

That's great.

[Telconi]

Presumably being a hateful evil monster?

Ahhh hate. I guess if you hate anybody that speaks out against your....well....desires they must be hateful.

Sure.