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Am I Right?

Yeah, mostly, seems agreeable.
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22%
Dunno/Not sure/Not American and I think that matters
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6%
Nah, you're crazy. Guns should be more restricted.
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Nah, you're crazy. Guns should be less restricted.
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JC Christ CM come back when the meds wear off
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Total votes : 724

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Hammer Britannia
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:38 pm

Mujahidah wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:I was thinking he was looking extra fascist, but hey apparently he is against clear backpacks, because they violate the 1st Amendment? but then again he is an idiot and his parents are probably idiots too.


Attacking a kid. So classy.

You do realize that's the point, right?
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Postby Mujahidah » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:39 pm

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Mujahidah wrote:
Attacking a kid. So classy.

Pointing out his flaws is attacking? Hey he is the one who put himself out in the public square for the world to see, and as such he is not above reproach.


You literally compared him to nazis earlier, and then accused him of looking "fascist" and "Like a hog." Thats pretty clearly attacking.
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Postby Mujahidah » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:39 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Mujahidah wrote:
Attacking a kid. So classy.


When he includes himself in the debate and tries to make himself a leader it's not really off limits, no?


Honestly the ad hominem rhetoric is a shitty method of arguing with anyone, regardless of age.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:41 pm

Mujahidah wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
When he includes himself in the debate and tries to make himself a leader it's not really off limits, no?


Honestly the ad hominem rhetoric is a shitty method of arguing with anyone, regardless of age.


It's a culture war thing, there's gonna be lots of personal attacks and insults thrown around because the two sides are just different at the end of the day.
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Postby Albrenia » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:41 pm

If one wants to argue against the opinion of 'kids' and not get called uncivilised I suggest avoiding using personal attacks such as calling them 'idiot' and the like. Not saying you 'must' or even 'should' do it, just a bit of advise from a random guy.

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Postby Mujahidah » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:45 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Mujahidah wrote:
Honestly the ad hominem rhetoric is a shitty method of arguing with anyone, regardless of age.


It's a culture war thing, there's gonna be lots of personal attacks and insults thrown around because the two sides are just different at the end of the day.


That kind of discourse is counterproductive and shouldn't be legitimized.
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Postby Manokan Republic » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:50 pm

Mujahidah wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:I was thinking he was looking extra fascist, but hey apparently he is against clear backpacks, because they violate the 1st Amendment? but then again he is an idiot and his parents are probably idiots too.


Attacking a kid. So classy.

He's like 18 isn't he?

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:55 pm

Mujahidah wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
It's a culture war thing, there's gonna be lots of personal attacks and insults thrown around because the two sides are just different at the end of the day.


That kind of discourse is counterproductive and shouldn't be legitimized.


I'd normally agree but it's already par for the course. The two sides are too dug in to ever do anything else.
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Postby Mujahidah » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:59 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Mujahidah wrote:
That kind of discourse is counterproductive and shouldn't be legitimized.


I'd normally agree but it's already par for the course. The two sides are too dug in to ever do anything else.


That doesn't mean you help normalize it.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Fri Mar 23, 2018 3:32 pm

Now, I may be amiss here, I am not seeing how the DOJ has the authority to ban/regulate nor has the ability to redefine what a machine gun is without the congress amending the law.
BREAKING: President Trump, DOJ Plans to Ban Bump Fire Stocks Revealed
“President Donald Trump announced Friday evening plans for the Justice Department to ban all bump stocks, pending a mandated comment period,”

DOJ proposal

If this goes through, I foresee immediate challenges before the ink is even dry.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Mar 23, 2018 3:37 pm

Quite simply put they can't. It's been judged on 3 separate occasions now that bump stocks do not meet the legal definition, any such attempt to make a regulation is quickly going to die in court.
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Postby Kramanica » Fri Mar 23, 2018 4:05 pm

Mujahidah wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:I was thinking he was looking extra fascist, but hey apparently he is against clear backpacks, because they violate the 1st Amendment? but then again he is an idiot and his parents are probably idiots too.


Attacking a kid. So classy.

He is an idiot, though.

He chose to insert himself into the political world and use ad hominem attacks against pretty much anyone who disagrees with him, up to and including calling them child murderers.

He can't hide behind "b-but he's a kid" and "b-but he's a victim".
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Fri Mar 23, 2018 4:10 pm

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Colion Noir Responds to David Hogg’s White Privilege
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Full version of this video by Colion Noir.
The March For Less Freedom
Colion brings to light diverse opinions on the March For Our Lives. In the Season 7 premiere, Colion does the job the media won't: tell the truth about the diversity of opinions that exist around the issue of individual freedom in America. Featuring an interview with Grammy-winning rapper, producer and activist Killer Mike and an original report from inner city St. Louis by Kevin Dixie.


That was downright moving.

Seriously, CN needs to take over the NRA and run for POTUS already.

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Postby Sovaal » Fri Mar 23, 2018 4:14 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:
Full version of this video by Colion Noir.
The March For Less Freedom


That was downright moving.

Seriously, CN needs to take over the NRA and run for POTUS already.

I’d vote for him.
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Fri Mar 23, 2018 4:15 pm

Mujahidah wrote:That kind of discourse is counterproductive and shouldn't be legitimized.

Except you just did it yourself.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Fri Mar 23, 2018 4:35 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:
Full version of this video by Colion Noir.
The March For Less Freedom


That was downright moving.

Seriously, CN needs to take over the NRA and run for POTUS already.

I'd vote for CN.
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Postby Taihei Tengoku » Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:03 pm

so whos going shooting tomorrow
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Fri Mar 23, 2018 10:00 pm

Taihei Tengoku wrote:so whos going shooting tomorrow

A bunch of us were thinking of going downtown to show our support for the 2nd Amendment and protest those "national gun grabber coming out day" anti 2nd Amendment protesters.

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Postby Telconi » Fri Mar 23, 2018 10:16 pm

Taihei Tengoku wrote:so whos going shooting tomorrow


Probably not, Sunday most likely tho.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Fri Mar 23, 2018 10:30 pm

Telconi wrote:
Taihei Tengoku wrote:so whos going shooting tomorrow


Probably not, Sunday most likely tho.

Maybe buy some ammo and or firearms on Saturday to use Sunday?

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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Fri Mar 23, 2018 10:49 pm

Taihei Tengoku wrote:so whos going shooting tomorrow

Well, I've been meaning to sight in my rifles for the NRA rifle instructor certification course I'm enrolled in.

Letting gun get manhandled off the bed of a truck to get dropped scope-first onto pavement probably didn't help the boresight, any.
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Postby Big Jim P » Sat Mar 24, 2018 4:14 am

Taihei Tengoku wrote:so whos going shooting tomorrow


Not me, unfortunately. However I may go buy a new gun or two, a few new 40-round mags for my AR plus some ammo. Maybe a 100-round mag if there are any left at my local shop.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sat Mar 24, 2018 7:12 am

Guys, why can't we be more like Europe?

Notice that the story was buried for nine hours after the police went in and ended it, because the media can't have people saying "if only there was a good guy with a gun in the supermarket" the day before the March for Less Freedom...
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Sat Mar 24, 2018 7:14 am

If I had the money and time, I would start a counter-protest in March For Our Lives...


We deserve this, gun owners voice's has been suppressed for too long.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Mar 24, 2018 7:17 am

Hammer Britannia wrote:If I had the money and time, I would start a counter-protest in March For Our Lives...


We deserve this, gun owners voice's has been suppressed for too long.


We don't need marches. Donate to groups like GOA, NRA-ILA and all those folks and make sure you vote for pro-gun people whenever possible and we'll have far more success.
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