Gun Control: Shiny Toy Guns

[Hallistrom]

If it walks like a duck...

Then you don't know how a duck walks

Did I ask for your opinion?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Then you don't know how a duck walks

Did I ask for your opinion?

Given you're posting in a public forum, yes. If you don't want people to reply feel free to stop posting

[Hammer Britannia]

Then you don't know how a duck walks

Did I ask for your opinion?

Did we ask for yours?

[Wysten]

It isn't that public schools are a part of a liberal conspiracy, it's about how liberal conspirators try to join public schools to promote their ideology.

Examples include the leaders of BAMN and antifa associated organization lead by a middle school teacher, the Evergreen madness where students rioted, the Berkley university riots where police stood down, and so on and so forth where all the university professors were involved in the riots. It's not that all education is tainted, it's that a small number of crazies join up specifically to recruit people for their cause. We know for a fact that the Russians liked to infiltrate universities and media companies to spread their message, so it's not that crazy to think other people would do it.

'Egads! A small Asian woman hurt a Neo Nazis fee fees! The humanity!

I mean naming your organization By Any Means Necessary and trying to silence everyone right of Marx does raise some eyebrows.

[Len Hyet]

Then you don't know how a duck walks

Did I ask for your opinion?

Nope but the beauty of an open forum is I can give it all the same.

You've got zero idea what you're talking about, you basically just spew buzzwords linked together in a desperate attempt at coherence without making any actual effort towards presenting a reasoned logical argument. If you spent half as much time on research as you did dismissing your opponents as reactionaries and neo-Nazis you'd not only receive a much warmer welcome in the thread, I dare say you'd end up with a modestly defensible argument.

[Salandriagado]

So I've read the last page, and I still have literally no idea what it's about, except that neither the words "gun" nor "control" have appeared anywhere on it.

[Wysten]

Did I ask for your opinion?

Nope but the beauty of an open forum is I can give it all the same.

You've got zero idea what you're talking about, you basically just spew buzzwords linked together in a desperate attempt at coherence without making any actual effort towards presenting a reasoned logical argument. If you spent half as much time on research as you did dismissing your opponents as reactionaries and neo-Nazis you'd not only receive a much warmer welcome in the thread, I dare say you'd end up with a modestly defensible argument.

Nothing anti-gun is defensible when the blessed Saints WRA and Len Hyet show up.

[Ors Might]

Nope but the beauty of an open forum is I can give it all the same.

You've got zero idea what you're talking about, you basically just spew buzzwords linked together in a desperate attempt at coherence without making any actual effort towards presenting a reasoned logical argument. If you spent half as much time on research as you did dismissing your opponents as reactionaries and neo-Nazis you'd not only receive a much warmer welcome in the thread, I dare say you'd end up with a modestly defensible argument.

Nothing anti-gun is defensible when the blessed Saints WRA and Len Hyet show up.

Amen.

[Torrocca]

Did I ask for your opinion?

Nope but the beauty of an open forum is I can give it all the same.

You've got zero idea what you're talking about, you basically just spew buzzwords linked together in a desperate attempt at coherence without making any actual effort towards presenting a reasoned logical argument. If you spent half as much time on research as you did dismissing your opponents as reactionaries and neo-Nazis you'd not only receive a much warmer welcome in the thread, I dare say you'd end up with a modestly defensible argument.

I mean, shit, I at least tried to present half-reasonable points in my gun-control/anti-arming-teachers points before I realized I was being an overreactive reactionary to something that legitimately had a bit of an effect on me.

[Sovaal]

Can we move on from Hallistrom and his, ‘lovely’, personality?

[Grinning Dragon]

I don't understand how a school can claim authority over a student, when said student isn't on school grounds, let alone dictate what said student can or cannot do on THEIR time.
NJ Gun Clubs Threaten Lawsuit Over Lacy Township Students’ Gun Range Photos

Two students at Lacey Township High-school, NJ were suspended for posting a picture of themselves shooting guns at a private gun range with the caption “fun day at the range“. The school's zero tolerance policy says that students cannot be in possession of weapons at any time, whether on or off campus

This is clearly unconstitutional, and an egregious power grab by school admins.

[Salandriagado]

I don't understand how a school can claim authority over a student, when said student isn't on school grounds, let alone dictate what said student can or cannot do on THEIR time.
NJ Gun Clubs Threaten Lawsuit Over Lacy Township Students’ Gun Range Photos

Two students at Lacey Township High-school, NJ were suspended for posting a picture of themselves shooting guns at a private gun range with the caption “fun day at the range“. The school's zero tolerance policy says that students cannot be in possession of weapons at any time, whether on or off campus

This is clearly unconstitutional, and an egregious power grab by school admins.

No it isn't. They're enforcing a contract that the parents signed when they started. The moral of the story here is to read contracts before you sign them.

[Telconi]

I don't understand how a school can claim authority over a student, when said student isn't on school grounds, let alone dictate what said student can or cannot do on THEIR time.
NJ Gun Clubs Threaten Lawsuit Over Lacy Township Students’ Gun Range Photos

Two students at Lacey Township High-school, NJ were suspended for posting a picture of themselves shooting guns at a private gun range with the caption “fun day at the range“. The school's zero tolerance policy says that students cannot be in possession of weapons at any time, whether on or off campus

This is clearly unconstitutional, and an egregious power grab by school admins.

I hope whoever wrote that policy is miserable for the rest of their days. And whoever fucking enforced it too.

[Ors Might]

I don't understand how a school can claim authority over a student, when said student isn't on school grounds, let alone dictate what said student can or cannot do on THEIR time.
NJ Gun Clubs Threaten Lawsuit Over Lacy Township Students’ Gun Range Photos

Two students at Lacey Township High-school, NJ were suspended for posting a picture of themselves shooting guns at a private gun range with the caption “fun day at the range“. The school's zero tolerance policy says that students cannot be in possession of weapons at any time, whether on or off campus

This is clearly unconstitutional, and an egregious power grab by school admins.

Jesus Christ this is some corrupt bullshit.

[Telconi]

I don't understand how a school can claim authority over a student, when said student isn't on school grounds, let alone dictate what said student can or cannot do on THEIR time.
NJ Gun Clubs Threaten Lawsuit Over Lacy Township Students’ Gun Range Photos

This is clearly unconstitutional, and an egregious power grab by school admins.

No it isn't. They're enforcing a contract that the parents signed when they started. The moral of the story here is to read contracts before you sign them.

A contract which restricts rights of a party is void.

[Salandriagado]

No it isn't. They're enforcing a contract that the parents signed when they started. The moral of the story here is to read contracts before you sign them.

A contract which restricts rights of a party is void.

That's just not true. You can sign a contract agreeing not to exercise a right, and be subject to the consequences defined in said contract if you do exercise that right. NDAs are literally this for the right to free speech.

[Manokan Republic]

So I've read the last page, and I still have literally no idea what it's about, except that neither the words "gun" nor "control" have appeared anywhere on it.

Gun violence is not unique from other forms of violence, and so the best way to prevent gun violence is general anti-violence measures, not specific form of gun control. In essence, it's a broader topic that doesn't involve only guns.

[Taihei Tengoku]

Since when did you turn into a contractarian?

[Salandriagado]

So I've read the last page, and I still have literally no idea what it's about, except that neither the words "gun" nor "control" have appeared anywhere on it.

Gun violence is not unique from other forms of violence, and so the best way to prevent gun violence is general anti-violence measures, not specific form of gun control. In essence, it's a broader topic that doesn't involve only guns.

Read the page in question down to my post. Even with your post, I still don't know what it was about.

[Sovaal]

I don't understand how a school can claim authority over a student, when said student isn't on school grounds, let alone dictate what said student can or cannot do on THEIR time.
NJ Gun Clubs Threaten Lawsuit Over Lacy Township Students’ Gun Range Photos

Two students at Lacey Township High-school, NJ were suspended for posting a picture of themselves shooting guns at a private gun range with the caption “fun day at the range“. The school's zero tolerance policy says that students cannot be in possession of weapons at any time, whether on or off campus

This is clearly unconstitutional, and an egregious power grab by school admins.

Public or private school?

[Manokan Republic]

A contract which restricts rights of a party is void.

That's just not true. You can sign a contract agreeing not to exercise a right, and be subject to the consequences defined in said contract if you do exercise that right. NDAs are literally this for the right to free speech.

A non-disclosure agreement is different than your right to say, freedom of a speech, as a restriction on some speech is not the same as all speech. A blanket "you can't handle any firearm" is different from "you can't release the specifications on this one firearm" or "you can't bring a firearm to school" or something.

Furthermore it's a public high school so they can't be allowed to force you in to doing things like that. What it basically means is that half the population will be expelled as half of homes have guns in them and if kids can't be around guns ,than half of all families now have to withdraw their kids from school. That's denying people a right to an education for exercising their freedom of speech and right to own a gun which is, patently unconstitutional.

[Manokan Republic]

I don't understand how a school can claim authority over a student, when said student isn't on school grounds, let alone dictate what said student can or cannot do on THEIR time.
NJ Gun Clubs Threaten Lawsuit Over Lacy Township Students’ Gun Range Photos

This is clearly unconstitutional, and an egregious power grab by school admins.

Public or private school?

It's public I believe.

[Telconi]

A contract which restricts rights of a party is void.

That's just not true. You can sign a contract agreeing not to exercise a right, and be subject to the consequences defined in said contract if you do exercise that right. NDAs are literally this for the right to free speech.

No, an NDA is like saying 'don't bring a gun to campus' I'm under NDAs, none of them wholesale remove my right to free speech.

[Sovaal]

Public or private school?

It's public I believe.

If it’s a private school i can at least understand it, and honestly don’t see much anyone should do beyond critique them. If it’s a public school how ever I hope they get their fucking socks sued off.

[Spirit of Hope]

A contract which restricts rights of a party is void.

That's just not true. You can sign a contract agreeing not to exercise a right, and be subject to the consequences defined in said contract if you do exercise that right. NDAs are literally this for the right to free speech.

A valid point, but it is a little disingenuous for a public high school to try and make that point. Since attending school is required until 16, and the ability of parents to send their children to another school can run the range from costly to impossible. A private school might have a better leg to stand on.