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Yeah, mostly, seems agreeable.
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Dunno/Not sure/Not American and I think that matters
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Nah, you're crazy. Guns should be more restricted.
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26%
Nah, you're crazy. Guns should be less restricted.
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JC Christ CM come back when the meds wear off
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:21 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
ATF doesn't let such things be sold to civilians anymore because they contain certain explosive stuffs and thus need to be DD's, if I'm not mistaken.


You can even buy smoke grenades in the UK. Just go to an airsoft or paintball website. Cheap as well.


You can still buy smoke grenades, you just can't buy (new, you can still buy olders surplus ones) M18's because of certain things inside of them. Iirc there's a company working on building new ones with a different chemical lineup so they can be sold over the counter again.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:22 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
You can even buy smoke grenades in the UK. Just go to an airsoft or paintball website. Cheap as well.


You can still buy smoke grenades, you just can't buy (new, you can still buy olders surplus ones) M18's because of certain things inside of them. Iirc there's a company working on building new ones with a different chemical lineup so they can be sold over the counter again.


Look at the links I added to my post.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:24 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
You can still buy smoke grenades, you just can't buy (new, you can still buy olders surplus ones) M18's because of certain things inside of them. Iirc there's a company working on building new ones with a different chemical lineup so they can be sold over the counter again.


Look at the links I added to my post.


Those are some sissy grenades, y'all Brits need some M18's in your lives :p
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Postby Sovaal » Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:25 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Look at the links I added to my post.


Those are some sissy grenades, y'all Brits need some M18's in your lives :p

Pfft, incendiary weapons or go home.
Most of the time I have no idea what the hell I'm doing or talking about.

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"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:28 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Look at the links I added to my post.


Those are some sissy grenades, y'all Brits need some M18's in your lives :p


You mean more like this?

https://www.airsoftworld.net/enola-gaye ... -fuse.html

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Postby Sovaal » Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:31 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Those are some sissy grenades, y'all Brits need some M18's in your lives :p


You mean more like this?

https://www.airsoftworld.net/enola-gaye ... -fuse.html

Just going to say right now that they look like Axe deodorant cans.
Most of the time I have no idea what the hell I'm doing or talking about.

”Many forms of government have been tried and will be tried in this world of sin and woe.
No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time." -
Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:31 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Those are some sissy grenades, y'all Brits need some M18's in your lives :p


You mean more like this?

https://www.airsoftworld.net/enola-gaye ... -fuse.html


I've actually messed around with those before. They're not as good as M18's but for the price they can put out a good amount of smoke.

I really need to get a 37mm launcher so I can fire smoke rounds dammit.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:32 pm

Sovaal wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Those are some sissy grenades, y'all Brits need some M18's in your lives :p

Pfft, incendiary weapons or go home.


*throws one of these at you*
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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:36 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:


I've actually messed around with those before. They're not as good as M18's but for the price they can put out a good amount of smoke.

I really need to get a 37mm launcher so I can fire smoke rounds dammit.


That website also has Thunderflashes. I've not seen those in years. My cadet unit used to use them to simulate flash bangs without having to pay the MOD flash bang money.

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Postby Gig em Aggies » Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:44 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Sovaal wrote:Pfft, incendiary weapons or go home.


*throws one of these at you*


No you need one of these

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Postby Len Hyet » Thu Mar 15, 2018 3:05 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Florida Democrats are pushing for an amendment to the state constitution to ban rifles.

Remember, nobody wants to take your guns.

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Postby Torrocca » Thu Mar 15, 2018 3:12 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Florida Democrats are pushing for an amendment to the state constitution to ban rifles.

Remember, nobody wants to take your guns.


Ewww state-level Democrats git out of my swamp >:^(
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Thu Mar 15, 2018 3:24 pm

Remember no dissent allowed in schools where a forced mantra is established.
No Dissent Allowed At National School Walkout Event

n Wednesday, a student at a high school in Minnesota joined his classmates who were participating in the National School Walkout and was singled out and removed by his principal for holding a sign that said, “Guns Don’t Kill People, People Kill People.”

A student at the school said, “he was escorted off the property by our principal & threatened to be put into a police car.” pic.twitter.com/1V6eaL0eRi

— Ryan Saavedra (@RealSaavedra) March 15, 2018


I've heard from family and friends back home in MN, that there were many students who also held up signs in support of the NRA and to counter what quickly became an anti civil rights temper tantrum.

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Postby Hallistrom » Thu Mar 15, 2018 3:30 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:Remember no dissent allowed in schools where a forced mantra is established.
No Dissent Allowed At National School Walkout Event

n Wednesday, a student at a high school in Minnesota joined his classmates who were participating in the National School Walkout and was singled out and removed by his principal for holding a sign that said, “Guns Don’t Kill People, People Kill People.”

A student at the school said, “he was escorted off the property by our principal & threatened to be put into a police car.” pic.twitter.com/1V6eaL0eRi

— Ryan Saavedra (@RealSaavedra) March 15, 2018


I've heard from family and friends back home in MN, that there were many students who also held up signs in support of the NRA and to counter what quickly became an anti civil rights temper tantrum.


https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-truth-about-guns/


the truth about guns might not be the best source.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Mar 15, 2018 3:33 pm

Hallistrom wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:Remember no dissent allowed in schools where a forced mantra is established.
No Dissent Allowed At National School Walkout Event



I've heard from family and friends back home in MN, that there were many students who also held up signs in support of the NRA and to counter what quickly became an anti civil rights temper tantrum.


https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-truth-about-guns/


the truth about guns might not be the best source.


It contains video of the event, go back to lurking.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Thu Mar 15, 2018 3:34 pm

Hallistrom wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:Remember no dissent allowed in schools where a forced mantra is established.
No Dissent Allowed At National School Walkout Event



I've heard from family and friends back home in MN, that there were many students who also held up signs in support of the NRA and to counter what quickly became an anti civil rights temper tantrum.


https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-truth-about-guns/

the truth about guns might not be the best source.


In literally less time then it took you to post that bullshit opinion, you could have found any number of other sources saying the same thing to include actual video of the incident..

I know, I know, debating is hard.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Thu Mar 15, 2018 3:37 pm

Hallistrom wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:Remember no dissent allowed in schools where a forced mantra is established.
No Dissent Allowed At National School Walkout Event



I've heard from family and friends back home in MN, that there were many students who also held up signs in support of the NRA and to counter what quickly became an anti civil rights temper tantrum.


https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-truth-about-guns/


the truth about guns might not be the best source.


Color me shocked that your mediabiadfactcheck lists TTAG as a site that promotes a pro 2nd Amendment view, as if that is a bad thing. At least your linked site gave them props for "HIGH" factual reporting.
I also included the twitter link that was recorded by a fellow student. And as someone who was bred, born and raised in MN, I can vouch for the leftist slant and often pushed opinions from teachers to students, and woe be unto them who resist that push by their teachers.

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Postby Saiwania » Thu Mar 15, 2018 3:41 pm

Sovaal wrote:>Reasonable
>Racist
Pick one. Also, you where the guy who was having a hard time accepting that human genetics is open to mutations that change the physiology of offspring over them, so I don’t particularly put much stock in you claims of ‘reasoanbility’.


No, what I opposed was the idea that the human race used to be entirely Black in terms of skin color and is only from Africa. I think it more plausible that the different racial phenotypes came about separately in different locations, much like how agriculture was developed independently and different civilizations arose from that in different places at different times. The Mesopotamian one was different than the Indus Valley civilization just as the Yellow river civilization (precursor to China) was different.

It is because all of those formed separately with few to no external influences (asides from the minor trade relations between empires). Merchants got around to trading goods and technology but this didn't come about until later after agriculture and actual villages formed. The first were coastal settlements because fishing was safer and easier than regular hunting and gathering.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Mar 15, 2018 3:41 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Hallistrom wrote:
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-truth-about-guns/


the truth about guns might not be the best source.


It contains video of the event, go back to lurking.


Not really. It has a 12 second video that confirms nothing in the story other than a guy in a suit having a disagreement with a younger person with a sign that isn't visible.

It may well all be true but that video is hardly the slamdunk evidence you're pretending it is.

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Postby Ors Might » Thu Mar 15, 2018 3:41 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Florida Democrats are pushing for an amendment to the state constitution to ban rifles.

Remember, nobody wants to take your guns.


Ewww state-level Democrats git out of my swamp >:^(

It’s posts like this that make me seriously wonder if my communist days weren’t so bad after all.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Thu Mar 15, 2018 3:42 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Sovaal wrote:>Reasonable
>Racist
Pick one. Also, you where the guy who was having a hard time accepting that human genetics is open to mutations that change the physiology of offspring over them, so I don’t particularly put much stock in you claims of ‘reasoanbility’.


No, what I opposed was the idea that the human race used to be entirely Black in terms of skin color and is only from Africa. I think it more plausible that the different racial phenotypes came about separately in different locations, much like how agriculture was developed independently and different civilizations arose from that in different places at different times. The Mesopotamian one was different than the Indus Valley civilization just as the Yellow river civilization (precursor to China) was different.

It is because all of those formed separately with few to no external influences (asides from the minor trade relations between empires). Merchants got around to trading goods and technology but this didn't come about until later after agriculture and actual villages formed. The first were coastal settlements because fishing was safer and easier than regular hunting and gathering.


All of which has fucking nothing to do with Gun Control.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Mar 15, 2018 3:42 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Sovaal wrote:>Reasonable
>Racist
Pick one. Also, you where the guy who was having a hard time accepting that human genetics is open to mutations that change the physiology of offspring over them, so I don’t particularly put much stock in you claims of ‘reasoanbility’.


No, what I opposed was the idea that the human race used to be entirely Black in terms of skin color and is only from Africa.


And you're wrong. In the distant past your ancestors looked like sub-Saharan Africans.

Ors Might wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Ewww state-level Democrats git out of my swamp >:^(

It’s posts like this that make me seriously wonder if my communist days weren’t so bad after all.


They were.
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Postby Torrocca » Thu Mar 15, 2018 3:43 pm

Ors Might wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Ewww state-level Democrats git out of my swamp >:^(

It’s posts like this that make me seriously wonder if my communist days weren’t so bad after all.


Go anarchist instead comrade; break the state and have your guns without the stigma of being seen as a Stalinist!
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Thu Mar 15, 2018 3:45 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Ors Might wrote:It’s posts like this that make me seriously wonder if my communist days weren’t so bad after all.


Go anarchist instead comrade; break the state and have your guns without the stigma of being seen as a Stalinist!


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