Gun Control: Shiny Toy Guns

[Zyr and Pony]

It's not an infringement, if it's legal and constitutional.

From DC v Heller (in a section that the Mass case didn't overrule in any way)





Okay, certain arms, I concede that much. Notably not all guns, however, especially since that would never pass constitutional muster, and the Dems know that, so they're not going to try to go that far, unless there's a radical change in opinion towards banning all guns (and I expect hell to hit absolute zero first).

Ok, so you concede that the operating legal body pushing gun control wants to ban guns. I don't want guns banned, hence, they can screw off.

Too bad for you then that they're too big to just screw off. And if they get major gains in the midterms, well..

[Washington Resistance Army]

Ok, so you concede that the operating legal body pushing gun control wants to ban guns. I don't want guns banned, hence, they can screw off.

Too bad for you then that they're too big to just screw off. And if they get major gains in the midterms, well..

I really hope they push gun control, it'll make for some awesome senate gains for us.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Ok, so you concede that the operating legal body pushing gun control wants to ban guns. I don't want guns banned, hence, they can screw off.

Too bad for you then that they're too big to just screw off. And if they get major gains in the midterms, well..

Well then they can continue to fuck right on off.

[Telconi]

Ok, so you concede that the operating legal body pushing gun control wants to ban guns. I don't want guns banned, hence, they can screw off.

Too bad for you then that they're too big to just screw off. And if they get major gains in the midterms, well..

Yay, fracturing of society!

[Northeast American Federation]

Too bad for you then that they're too big to just screw off. And if they get major gains in the midterms, well..

Yay, fracturing of society!

Almost makes you think of that one other time in American history when somebody tried to seize all the guns......

[Telconi]

Yay, fracturing of society!

Almost makes you think of that one other time in American history when somebody tried to seize all the guns......

Hopefully that can be avoided...

[Zyr and Pony]

Yay, fracturing of society!

Almost makes you think of that one other time in American history when somebody tried to seize all the guns......

So, you're saying that if dems try to pass new gun control, gun rights people will rebel, possibly subverting the will of the people? Really? I don't see it, but if it does happen I expect it to be put down, hard, like the Confederates in the Civil War, except faster.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Almost makes you think of that one other time in American history when somebody tried to seize all the guns......

So, you're saying that if dems try to pass new gun control, gun rights people will rebel, possibly subverting the will of the people? Really? I don't see it, but if it does happen I expect it to be put down, hard, like the Confederates in the Civil War, except faster.

And here we go with this portion of the gun debate merry-go-round again.

[Zyr and Pony]

So, you're saying that if dems try to pass new gun control, gun rights people will rebel, possibly subverting the will of the people? Really? I don't see it, but if it does happen I expect it to be put down, hard, like the Confederates in the Civil War, except faster.

And here we go with this portion of the gun debate merry-go-round again.

Hey, it's not my side suggesting rebellion over losing an election.

[The Two Jerseys]

So, you're saying that if dems try to pass new gun control, gun rights people will rebel, possibly subverting the will of the people? Really? I don't see it, but if it does happen I expect it to be put down, hard, like the Confederates in the Civil War, except faster.

And here we go with this portion of the gun debate merry-go-round again.

It's like the anti-gun people have a fetish about the federal government carpet bombing its own citizens...

[Telconi]

Almost makes you think of that one other time in American history when somebody tried to seize all the guns......

So, you're saying that if dems try to pass new gun control, gun rights people will rebel, possibly subverting the will of the people? Really? I don't see it, but if it does happen I expect it to be put down, hard, like the Confederates in the Civil War, except faster.

I think if they push hard enough they might not like what people start doing.

[Northeast American Federation]

And here we go with this portion of the gun debate merry-go-round again.

Hey, it's not my side suggesting rebellion over losing an election.

Well, certain people are all too keen on taking away rights and increasingly turning the US into a police state any time a tragedy occurs. There has to come a line where enough is enough.

[Telconi]

And here we go with this portion of the gun debate merry-go-round again.

It's like the anti-gun people have a fetish about the federal government carpet bombing its own citizens...

>Anti-Gun

You mean people with a fetish for government oppression have a fetish for government oppression.

[Paddy O Fernature]

And here we go with this portion of the gun debate merry-go-round again.

Hey, it's not my side suggesting rebellion over losing an election.

So, you're a Trump supporter then I take it?

[Zyr and Pony]

And here we go with this portion of the gun debate merry-go-round again.

It's like the anti-gun people have a fetish about the federal government carpet bombing its own citizens...

No, it's like the people with a pro-gun fetish have a fetish for rebelling against the government when it does things they don't like.

[Grinning Dragon]

And here we go with this portion of the gun debate merry-go-round again.

It's like the anti-gun people have a fetish about the federal government carpet bombing its own citizens...

Nah, nah, more like they want people with guns by threat of force to collect guns, then carpet bomb citizens who resist or don't comply.

[Zyr and Pony]

Hey, it's not my side suggesting rebellion over losing an election.

So, you're a Trump supporter then I take it?

No, but nice ad hom that does nothing to advance the discussion.

And no democrats have suggested rebellion, far as I know

[Manokan Republic]

But a major party is...

Prove it. You have yet to, so far, so show me the democratic plank that says that they want to ban guns, with a link to the democratic platform, as if that was part of the party's platform, it would certainly be in the party'ds platform. That you haven't suggests you're lying

The assault weapon's ban for example would not only ban a variety of different weapon's that have the ability to accept accessories like adjustable stocks, pistol grips, and barrel shrouds, as well as things like bayonets (I.E. a knife you can mount to your gun), but also lists dozens of rifle types by name and manufacturer, to my knowledge over 100. A text document in congress can be found here, and there are other sources detailing the same information out there.

The only logical elements from these are banning grenade launcher and rocket launcher attachments, which have ironically been banned from 1934, and the 10 round magazine ban, which while I oppose the magazine ban it at least makes some kind of sense as the idea that less bullets = less deaths is at least logical, although a person can simply reload a magazine and keep shooting. Assault weapons are used for less than 2% of crimes and 9.7% of mass shootings, which makes sense given that the criteria mostly applies to rifles and is completely arbitrary and that, specifically 10-round or less pocket pistols are used overwhelmingly to commit most crimes. The deadliest mass shooting in the world killed 67 people with a handgun, deadly than las vegas with a rate-increased "machine-gun-like" assault weapon, which is to be expected when one realizes handguns have historically proven to be far more lethal.

[Zyr and Pony]

It's like the anti-gun people have a fetish about the federal government carpet bombing its own citizens...

Nah, nah, more like they want people with guns by threat of force to collect guns, then carpet bomb citizens who resist or comply.

I love how the pro-gun side loves to respond with strawmen, ad homs, and well poisoning to snarky posts.

[Paddy O Fernature]

So, you're a Trump supporter then I take it?

No, but nice ad hom that does nothing to advance the discussion.

And no democrats have suggested rebellion, far as I know

Cal-Exit ring a fucking bell?

As it's literally just that.

[Grinning Dragon]

It's like the anti-gun people have a fetish about the federal government carpet bombing its own citizens...

No, it's like the people with a pro-gun fetish have a fetish for rebelling against the government when it does things they don't like.

To be fair this country was founded with people rebelling against a govt because of things they didn't like.

[Zyr and Pony]

Prove it. You have yet to, so far, so show me the democratic plank that says that they want to ban guns, with a link to the democratic platform, as if that was part of the party's platform, it would certainly be in the party'ds platform. That you haven't suggests you're lying

The assault weapon's ban for example would not only ban a variety of different weapon's that have the ability to accept accessories like adjustable stocks, pistol grips, and barrel shrouds, as well as things like bayonets (I.E. a knife you can mount to your gun), but also lists dozens of rifle types by name and manufacturer, to my knowledge over 100. A text document in congress can be found here, and there are other sources detailing the same information out there.

The only logical elements from these are banning grenade launcher and rocket launcher attachments, which have ironically been banned from 1934, and the 10 round magazine ban, which while I oppose the magazine ban it at least makes some kind of sense as the idea that less bullets = less deaths is at least logical, although a person can simply reload a magazine and keep shooting. Assault weapons are used for less than 2% of crimes and 9.7% of mass shootings, which makes sense given that the criteria mostly applies to rifles and is completely arbitrary and that, specifically 10-round or less pocket pistols are used overwhelmingly to commit most crimes. The deadliest mass shooting in the world killed 67 people with a handgun, deadly than las vegas with a rate-increased "machine-gun-like" assault weapon, which is to be expected when one realizes handguns have historically proven to be far more lethal.

I already conceded that much, thank you.

[Manokan Republic]

Nah, nah, more like they want people with guns by threat of force to collect guns, then carpet bomb citizens who resist or comply.

I love how the pro-gun side loves to respond with strawmen, ad homs, and well poisoning to snarky posts.

People on both sides do this all the time. xP

It can be annoying but the arguments get stale and repetitive over time, especially when you have to introduce basic facts in to the conversation.

[Washington Resistance Army]

No, but nice ad hom that does nothing to advance the discussion.

And no democrats have suggested rebellion, far as I know

Cal-Exit ring a fucking bell?

As it's literally just that.

I wish Calexit happened.

[The Two Jerseys]

It's like the anti-gun people have a fetish about the federal government carpet bombing its own citizens...

No, it's like the people with a pro-gun fetish have a fetish for rebelling against the government when it does things they don't like.

Funny, I've never heard about the NFA Rebellion of 1934, or the GCA Rebellion of 1968, or the Hughes Amendment Rebellion of 1986, or the AWB Rebellion of 1994...