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Yeah, mostly, seems agreeable.
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Dunno/Not sure/Not American and I think that matters
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Nah, you're crazy. Guns should be more restricted.
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26%
Nah, you're crazy. Guns should be less restricted.
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JC Christ CM come back when the meds wear off
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:17 am

NewLiberalParty wrote:Here is a real solution Split guns into 5 categories and regulate them all differently

Danger level 1. 1 bullet per reload- Only felons are barred

Danger level 2. 2-5 bullets no revolvers- Felons and mentally ill barred and those making violent threats

Danger level 3. Semi auto hand guns- Felons and mentally ill barred and those making violent threats as well as background checks and skills test/training must be 18 or older federally

Danger level 4. Semi auto rifles- Felons and mentally ill barred and those making violent threats as well as background checks and skills test/training, must be 25 or older with a check every 6 months.

Danger level 5. Automatics and sudo automatics- BAN includes attachments that make it sudo auto.


No.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:19 am

Torrocca wrote:
Sovaal wrote:Sometimes home intruder get shot. Should the home owners be charged?


That's a case where the home owner feels their life is in danger. Important distinction between protecting life vs. protecting property.

We shouldn’t ban guns because the workers need to be armed
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:24 am

NewLiberalParty wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Nobody needs a car.

Ban cars.


Cars have a use that does not involve killing people and made travel accessible on a large scale for the 1st time. Nice try.

Actually it was the locomotive that did that but nice try.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:27 am

Torrocca wrote:
Wysten wrote:You say detestable like we are some Central African country where we cut off the hands of people.


I mean, our police forces do frequently brutalize and unjustly kill people. It's legal though because they're law enforcement. :^)

We also have plenty of other detestable things regarding human rights in the country as well as across the world in the countries we "liberate".

I’m going to assume that we you dislike all our “liberations” if we did them in the name of spreeding communism?
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Postby NewLiberalParty » Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:28 am

Thermodolia wrote:
NewLiberalParty wrote:
Cars have a use that does not involve killing people and made travel accessible on a large scale for the 1st time. Nice try.

Actually it was the locomotive that did that but nice try.


Nope because people could run faster then those trains

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:31 am

NewLiberalParty wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Actually it was the locomotive that did that but nice try.


Nope because people could run faster then those trains


Holy shit Keshi, this is just fucking dumb lol
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Postby NewLiberalParty » Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:31 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
NewLiberalParty wrote:Here is a real solution Split guns into 5 categories and regulate them all differently

Danger level 1. 1 bullet per reload- Only felons are barred

Danger level 2. 2-5 bullets no revolvers- Felons and mentally ill barred and those making violent threats

Danger level 3. Semi auto hand guns- Felons and mentally ill barred and those making violent threats as well as background checks and skills test/training must be 18 or older federally

Danger level 4. Semi auto rifles- Felons and mentally ill barred and those making violent threats as well as background checks and skills test/training, must be 25 or older with a check every 6 months.

Danger level 5. Automatics and sudo automatics- BAN includes attachments that make it sudo auto.


No.


Won't even do reasonable regulation typical gun supporter. Lets the kids die, let the citizens die as long as I get to keep my metal death weapon.

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Postby NewLiberalParty » Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:32 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
NewLiberalParty wrote:
Nope because people could run faster then those trains


Holy shit Keshi, this is just fucking dumb lol


The early locomotives were really slow. Everyone knows that!

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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:33 am

NewLiberalParty wrote:The same people who are for guns are also for police executing people for having a gun.

Um no I’m not for the police committing any extrajudicial punishment.

Like make up your mind either you think owning a gun should be a right and thus a suspect having a gun should not be an excuse for police to shoot or you think guns are not a right and police should be justified in shooting if said suspect has a gun.

That’s not the same thing at all. For one the police and civilians lives might be in danger from the gun wielding suspect. Thus they have the right to defend themselves

Also you apparently think your right to own a gun is important enough to make K graders now have to go thought school shooting drills. Students litterally now have to worry about being killed in school and parent now have to worry about their child being killed at school.

So I guess we should ban fire because schools have fire drills
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Postby Wysten » Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:37 am

NewLiberalParty wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
No.


Won't even do reasonable regulation typical gun supporter. Lets the kids die, let the citizens die as long as I get to keep my metal death weapon.

There not all metal ya know.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:42 am

NewLiberalParty wrote:
Wysten wrote:My rights trump their feelings.


And my right to free speech trumps your feeling on people with PTSD being stable enough to own a deadly weapon :) right?

Oh for fucks sake Keshi PTSD doesn’t make you into a mindless killer. Honestly I more worried they would try to harm themselves than to kill others.
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Postby Topoliani » Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:42 am

NewLiberalParty wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
No.


Won't even do reasonable regulation typical gun supporter. Lets the kids die, let the citizens die as long as I get to keep my metal death weapon.

Let's see, I see two fallacies.

And your fallacies are appeal to emotion, which is Bolded and Strawman, which is Italicized

Why did I point this out? These are his only two arguments besides "Your dumb." (Which, yes, is technically a strawman, but if he can use it why can't I?)
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:42 am

Thermodolia wrote:
NewLiberalParty wrote:
And my right to free speech trumps your feeling on people with PTSD being stable enough to own a deadly weapon :) right?

Oh for fucks sake Keshi PTSD doesn’t make you into a mindless killer. Honestly I more worried they would try to harm themselves than to kill others.


Na man, PTSD turned me into John fuckin' Rambo.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:44 am

NewLiberalParty wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Does your knowledge of PTSD come from anything other than watching First Blood?


It comes from watching survivor and seeing someone jump and get really freaked out when the fire popped. I don't want someone to be armed when that happens.

That doesn’t mean that everyone with PTSD acts the exact same
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Postby Topoliani » Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:44 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Oh for fucks sake Keshi PTSD doesn’t make you into a mindless killer. Honestly I more worried they would try to harm themselves than to kill others.


Na man, PTSD turned me into John fuckin' Rambo.

My PTSD turned me into that guy from Bane

Yeah, not Bane, just a guy who took orders from him.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:44 am

Topoliani wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Na man, PTSD turned me into John fuckin' Rambo.

My PTSD turned me into that guy from Bane


I think we need to crash this plane.
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Postby Ors Might » Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:48 am

NewLiberalParty wrote:Here is a real solution Split guns into 5 categories and regulate them all differently

Danger level 1. 1 bullet per reload- Only felons are barred

Danger level 2. 2-5 bullets revolvers- Felons and mentally ill barred and those making violent threats

Danger level 3. Semi auto hand guns- Felons and mentally ill barred and those making violent threats as well as background checks and skills test/training must be 18 or older federally

Danger level 4. Semi auto rifles- Felons and mentally ill barred and those making violent threats as well as background checks and skills test/training, must be 25 or older with a check every 6 months.

Danger level 5. Automatics and sudo automatics- BAN includes attachments that make it sudo auto.

Fuck all of that.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:48 am

Torrocca wrote:
Wysten wrote:How do you plan on getting 300 million guns?


Large compensations to gun owners for their humble cooperation.

Gun buyback plans haven’t worked in the US. Why? Because people will cheat the system. Or they fear getting arrested.
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Postby NewLiberalParty » Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:49 am

Ors Might wrote:
NewLiberalParty wrote:Here is a real solution Split guns into 5 categories and regulate them all differently

Danger level 1. 1 bullet per reload- Only felons are barred

Danger level 2. 2-5 bullets revolvers- Felons and mentally ill barred and those making violent threats

Danger level 3. Semi auto hand guns- Felons and mentally ill barred and those making violent threats as well as background checks and skills test/training must be 18 or older federally

Danger level 4. Semi auto rifles- Felons and mentally ill barred and those making violent threats as well as background checks and skills test/training, must be 25 or older with a check every 6 months.

Danger level 5. Automatics and sudo automatics- BAN includes attachments that make it sudo auto.

Fuck all of that.


Why? Its all resonable

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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:49 am

Torrocca wrote:
Gig em Aggies wrote:Where do you plan on getting all that money from to compensate people? If you want my gun I want at least 5 million if not more for every gun I own anything lower and you get lead as a parting gift.


I'm sure that'd get you a good response from the government officials trying to buy your guns. :roll:

Wysten wrote:And who is going to be footing the bill for this?


Make it the government with the money they got. Half a million per gun wouldn't even dent their massive budget.

So you are willing to pay 300 Trillion?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:49 am

NewLiberalParty wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Fuck all of that.


Why? Its all resonable


Nothing you've ever suggested is reasonable.
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Postby Topoliani » Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:49 am

NewLiberalParty wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Fuck all of that.


Why? Its all resonable

Keshi, it's only reasonable because you agree with it

Replace the guns with drugs, I.E Danger level 5 would be Meth, and you would bash it
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Postby Ors Might » Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:50 am

NewLiberalParty wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Fuck all of that.


Why? Its all resonable

No it’s not. I don’t know if I’d believe that there’s a single gun owner in America that would accept one fucking bullet capacity firearms. You’d be giving the private gun manufacturers a field day with all the business they’d get.
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Postby NewLiberalParty » Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:51 am

Topoliani wrote:
NewLiberalParty wrote:
Why? Its all resonable

Keshi, it's only reasonable because you agree with it

Replace the guns with drugs, I.E Danger level 5 would be Meth, and you would bash it


Drugs minus Alcohol and Tabacco only hurt the User.

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Postby Ors Might » Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:52 am

NewLiberalParty wrote:
Topoliani wrote:Keshi, it's only reasonable because you agree with it

Replace the guns with drugs, I.E Danger level 5 would be Meth, and you would bash it


Drugs minus Alcohol and Tabacco only hurt the User.

Nobody under the influence of non-alcoholic drugs have ever hurt anyone?
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