Gun Control: Shiny Toy Guns

[Torrocca]

Fuck, I've been bamboozled by the invisible hand of the long dead Founding Fathers again!



I mean, maybe for now. Five years, though? Ten? We'll see how long that lasts. :^)



Right here. ATM (according to the data) it's a small 51% majority, but it's still a majority.

Right so I'm just supposed to bow down and accept your "prediction" plus that's just bunk science stuff.

I dunno about you, but I'd say science and data's pretty important.

[NewLiberalParty]

The same people who are for guns are also for police executing people for having a gun. Like make up your mind either you think owning a gun should be a right and thus a suspect having a gun should not be an excuse for police to shoot or you think guns are not a right and police should be justified in shooting if said suspect has a gun.

Also you apparently think your right to own a gun is important enough to make K graders now have to go thought school shooting drills. Students litterally now have to worry about being killed in school and parent now have to worry about their child being killed at school.

[Wysten]

You know if you make enough snarky comments you might become the new Keshi.

Could always try and disprove me. Never know, might actually work.

Still waiting on an answer to this though:

Are human lives more important than guns, yes or no?

No I am not going to answer that because you missed what I said which was. "My rights trump everyone's feelings."

[Torrocca]

I mean, our police forces do frequently brutalize and unjustly kill people. It's legal though because they're law enforcement. :^)

We also have plenty of other detestable things regarding human rights in the country as well as across the world in the countries we "liberate".

aww fuck part's of America really do suck...

Yeah, they're the parts where people murder other people in mass shootings with guns.

[Torrocca]

Could always try and disprove me. Never know, might actually work.

Still waiting on an answer to this though:

No I am not going to answer that because you missed what I said which was. "My rights trump everyone's feelings."

Which, again, more or less implies you think human lives are less valuable than a gun.

[Gig em Aggies]

You know if you make enough snarky comments you might become the new Keshi.

Could always try and disprove me. Never know, might actually work.

Still waiting on an answer to this though:

Are human lives more important than guns, yes or no?

Let me ask you this why ask a question when we know if he doesn't give you what you want to hear your just gonna call him a heartless monster. Democracy works because we have people who have different beliefs otherwise it will just be a bland and dull Orwellian 1984 world.

[Wysten]

The same people who are for guns are also for police executing people for having a gun. Like make up your mind either you think owning a gun should be a right and thus a suspect having a gun should not be an excuse for police to shoot or you think guns are not a right and police should be justified in shooting if said suspect has a gun.

Also you apparently think your right to own a gun is important enough to make K graders now have to go thought school shooting drills. Students litterally now have to worry about being killed in school and parent now have to worry about their child being killed at school.

To quote Alucard, Keshi
https://youtu.be/5AcVHzU3h8A

[Telconi]

The same people who are for guns are also for police executing people for having a gun. Like make up your mind either you think owning a gun should be a right and thus a suspect having a gun should not be an excuse for police to shoot or you think guns are not a right and police should be justified in shooting if said suspect has a gun.

Also you apparently think your right to own a gun is important enough to make K graders now have to go thought school shooting drills. Students litterally now have to worry about being killed in school and parent now have to worry about their child being killed at school.

Holy tap dancing walruses lactating in swimming pools Batman, what a massive freaking generalization!

[Sovaal]

The same people who are for guns are also for police executing people for having a gun. Like make up your mind either you think owning a gun should be a right and thus a suspect having a gun should not be an excuse for police to shoot or you think guns are not a right and police should be justified in shooting if said suspect has a gun.

Also you apparently think your right to own a gun is important enough to make K graders now have to go thought school shooting drills. Students litterally now have to worry about being killed in school and parent now have to worry about their child being killed at school.

Pretty big claims there.

[Torrocca]

Could always try and disprove me. Never know, might actually work.

Still waiting on an answer to this though:

Let me ask you this why ask a question when we know if he doesn't give you what you want to hear your just gonna call him a heartless monster. Democracy works because we have people who have different beliefs otherwise it will just be a bland and dull Orwellian 1984 world.

Because the world certainly was dull and boring without democracy. :^)

Not that I'm against democracy - no idea why you brought that up. I'm against killing machines. Like guns.

[Germanic Templars]

And now for a crowd favorite: [Citation Needed]

Right here. ATM (according to the data) it's a small 51% majority, but it's still a majority.

I-it's ma-majority I swear!

And manga is literature... Sure...

[Telconi]

Let me ask you this why ask a question when we know if he doesn't give you what you want to hear your just gonna call him a heartless monster. Democracy works because we have people who have different beliefs otherwise it will just be a bland and dull Orwellian 1984 world.

Because the world certainly was dull and boring without democracy. :^)

Not that I'm against democracy - no idea why you brought that up. I'm against killing machines. Like guns.

Yeah, we know...

[Grinning Dragon]

The same people who are for guns are also for police executing people for having a gun. Like make up your mind either you think owning a gun should be a right and thus a suspect having a gun should not be an excuse for police to shoot or you think guns are not a right and police should be justified in shooting if said suspect has a gun.

Also you apparently think your right to own a gun is important enough to make K graders now have to go thought school shooting drills. Students litterally now have to worry about being killed in school and parent now have to worry about their child being killed at school.

I remember when I was in grade school we did nuclear attack drills, we literally had to worry about being killed in a nuclear attack and my parents had to worry about my brother and I being vaporized or develop super human abilities and powers due to a radioactive mutation.

[Wysten]

Right here. ATM (according to the data) it's a small 51% majority, but it's still a majority.

I-it's ma-majority I swear!

And manga is literature... Sure...

That latter one is debatable.

[Torrocca]

Right here. ATM (according to the data) it's a small 51% majority, but it's still a majority.

I-it's ma-majority I swear!

And manga is literature... Sure...

I mean, I guess if you live in a topsy turvy world 51 out of 100 isn't a majority, sure. On earth, though, us human beings do consider 51 out of 100 to be a majority.

[NewLiberalParty]

The same people who are for guns are also for police executing people for having a gun. Like make up your mind either you think owning a gun should be a right and thus a suspect having a gun should not be an excuse for police to shoot or you think guns are not a right and police should be justified in shooting if said suspect has a gun.

Also you apparently think your right to own a gun is important enough to make K graders now have to go thought school shooting drills. Students litterally now have to worry about being killed in school and parent now have to worry about their child being killed at school.

I remember when I was in grade school we did nuclear attack drills, we literally had to worry about being killed in a nuclear attack and my parents had to worry about my brother and I being vaporized or develop super human abilities and powers due to a radioactive mutation.

No one was ever killed by a nuke at school countless have been killed by guns at school. Not comparable

[Gig em Aggies]

The same people who are for guns are also for police executing people for having a gun. Like make up your mind either you think owning a gun should be a right and thus a suspect having a gun should not be an excuse for police to shoot or you think guns are not a right and police should be justified in shooting if said suspect has a gun.

Also you apparently think your right to own a gun is important enough to make K graders now have to go thought school shooting drills. Students litterally now have to worry about being killed in school and parent now have to worry about their child being killed at school.

To quote Alucard, Keshi
https://youtu.be/5AcVHzU3h8A

No no no this is more appropriate https://youtu.be/MEvHzx-nal0

[Germanic Templars]

I-it's ma-majority I swear!

And manga is literature... Sure...

I mean, I guess if you live in a topsy turvy world 51 out of 100 isn't a majority, sure. On earth, though, us human beings do consider 51 out of 100 to be a majority.

Point is, what is preventing this from flopping to 51% is support for guns in say another few months?

[Sovaal]

Let me ask you this why ask a question when we know if he doesn't give you what you want to hear your just gonna call him a heartless monster. Democracy works because we have people who have different beliefs otherwise it will just be a bland and dull Orwellian 1984 world.

Because the world certainly was dull and boring without democracy. :^)

Not that I'm against democracy - no idea why you brought that up. I'm against killing machines. Like guns.

The human brain is the ultimate killing machine. Hands the second. In fact, there is some thought that our hands evolved in a specific way to be able to make the first.

[Spirit of Hope]

The same people who are for guns are also for police executing people for having a gun. Like make up your mind either you think owning a gun should be a right and thus a suspect having a gun should not be an excuse for police to shoot or you think guns are not a right and police should be justified in shooting if said suspect has a gun.

1) An armed suspect not complying with orders, and acting in such a way that a n officer fears for their life, or the lives of others, is a justification to shoot. The right to own a gun does not extend to the right to threaten others with that gun.
2) Police shootings of "armed" and "dangerous" suspects is a huge issue, and is deeply connected with gun violence in that the American criminal justice system is deeply flawed and part of the issue.

Also you apparently think your right to own a gun is important enough to make K graders now have to go thought school shooting drills. Students litterally now have to worry about being killed in school and parent now have to worry about their child being killed at school.

People have to worry about that even if guns didn't exist. The worst mass killing of students at a school in the US was carried out by a guy using dynamite. I think that the right to own guns is worth the damage to society they cause, but that we should still try to find ways to reduce that damage.

[Sovaal]

I remember when I was in grade school we did nuclear attack drills, we literally had to worry about being killed in a nuclear attack and my parents had to worry about my brother and I being vaporized or develop super human abilities and powers due to a radioactive mutation.

No one was ever killed by a nuke at school countless have been killed by guns at school. Not comparable

Pretty sure the kids of Hiroshima and Nagasaki where at school on the days of the bombs.

[Grinning Dragon]

I remember when I was in grade school we did nuclear attack drills, we literally had to worry about being killed in a nuclear attack and my parents had to worry about my brother and I being vaporized or develop super human abilities and powers due to a radioactive mutation.

No one was ever killed by a nuke at school countless have been killed by guns at school. Not comparable

Why isn't it? You are projecting fear and using fear as a motivation and or reason to punish millions of people and their enumerated rights because of the actions of one.

[Gig em Aggies]

I remember when I was in grade school we did nuclear attack drills, we literally had to worry about being killed in a nuclear attack and my parents had to worry about my brother and I being vaporized or develop super human abilities and powers due to a radioactive mutation.

No one was ever killed by a nuke at school countless have been killed by guns at school. Not comparable

Oh boy do the people in Nagasaki and Hiroshima have some words for you.

[Torrocca]

I mean, I guess if you live in a topsy turvy world 51 out of 100 isn't a majority, sure. On earth, though, us human beings do consider 51 out of 100 to be a majority.

Point is, what is preventing this from flopping to 51% is support for guns in say another few months?

I dunno, probably the part in the data I provided that shows that the biggest age group in favor of gun control is the 18-29 age range (at 58%) and the second biggest is the 30-49 age range (at 53%)?

[NewLiberalParty]

The same people who are for guns are also for police executing people for having a gun. Like make up your mind either you think owning a gun should be a right and thus a suspect having a gun should not be an excuse for police to shoot or you think guns are not a right and police should be justified in shooting if said suspect has a gun.

1) An armed suspect not complying with orders, and acting in such a way that a n officer fears for their life, or the lives of others, is a justification to shoot. The right to own a gun does not extend to the right to threaten others with that gun.
2) Police shootings of "armed" and "dangerous" suspects is a huge issue, and is deeply connected with gun violence in that the American criminal justice system is deeply flawed and part of the issue.

Also you apparently think your right to own a gun is important enough to make K graders now have to go thought school shooting drills. Students litterally now have to worry about being killed in school and parent now have to worry about their child being killed at school.

People have to worry about that even if guns didn't exist. The worst mass killing of students at a school in the US was carried out by a guy using dynamite. I think that the right to own guns is worth the damage to society they cause, but that we should still try to find ways to reduce that damage.

You should say this to the parents of kids killed by a gun man in school. If you would not or could not then you know that stance is wrong.