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Yeah, mostly, seems agreeable.
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Dunno/Not sure/Not American and I think that matters
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Nah, you're crazy. Guns should be more restricted.
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26%
Nah, you're crazy. Guns should be less restricted.
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JC Christ CM come back when the meds wear off
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Postby Wysten » Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:04 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Wysten wrote:I believe that my rights under the US Constitution trumps everyone's feelings.


... So basically guns are more important than human lives.

Where are you getting all this straw because I really need to feed my horses.
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Postby Sovaal » Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:04 pm

NewLiberalParty wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:
Why do you feel the need to tell me and others what we do or do not need? Need is irrelevant.
Please explain what makes a round AP?
Bumpstocks and or weapons with a giggle switch are fun to shoot, just for the hell of it and waste a bunch of ammo.


A round is AP if it can break through bullet proof vests.
Bump stocks turn weapons automatic.
The fact that you will sit there and say that you value your fun over stopping the mass slaughter of civilians especally children is exactly why I put the burdon of these massacures on both the NRA and gun supporters. Just once I would like to see gun supports stand up and say, "Its time to keep assault weapons out of the hands of people who are not even old enough to drink" or "Lets keep guns out of the hands of those who make threats of violence" or how about" Lets ban APB and Bump stock because they do more harm then good and I don't want my fellow Americans to die because of someonething that could be avoided and not really affect my gun rights at all."

The simple fact is that gun owners seem totally against regulation that would not hinder their ability to own or use a gun in a reasonable way.

Again, most rifle rounds can go through most body armor. Theres a reason even plate armor went out of style.
Most of the time I have no idea what the hell I'm doing or talking about.

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"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Torrocca » Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:05 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
... So basically guns are more important than human lives.


As is free speech, the right to assemble, the right to hold whatever religion you want etc etc.


Free speech, assemblies, and religious affiliation don't kill people.

Wysten wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
... So basically guns are more important than human lives.

Where are you getting all this straw because I really need to feed my horses.


Are human lives more important than guns, yes or no?
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Postby Sovaal » Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:05 pm

Wysten wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
... So basically guns are more important than human lives.

Where are you getting all this straw because I really need to feed my horses.

I wasn’t think about opening of a straw emporium. Straw hats, straw men, straw beds and straw pillows, straws, bendy straws, curly straws...
Most of the time I have no idea what the hell I'm doing or talking about.

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No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time." -
Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Northern Davincia » Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:07 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
As is free speech, the right to assemble, the right to hold whatever religion you want etc etc.


Free speech, assemblies, and religious affiliation don't kill people.

Wysten wrote:Where are you getting all this straw because I really need to feed my horses.


Are human lives more important than guns, yes or no?

Is property more important than human lives? In some cases, yes, in situations of self-defense. Rights should not be construed as more or less important.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:08 pm

Sovaal wrote:
Wysten wrote:Where are you getting all this straw because I really need to feed my horses.

I wasn’t think about opening of a straw emporium. Straw hats, straw men, straw beds and straw pillows, straws, bendy straws, curly straws...

I could use another panama hat...
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:08 pm

NewLiberalParty wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:
Why do you feel the need to tell me and others what we do or do not need? Need is irrelevant.
Please explain what makes a round AP?
Bumpstocks and or weapons with a giggle switch are fun to shoot, just for the hell of it and waste a bunch of ammo.


A round is AP if it can break through bullet proof vests.
Bump stocks turn weapons automatic.
The fact that you will sit there and say that you value your fun over stopping the mass slaughter of civilians especally children is exactly why I put the burdon of these massacures on both the NRA and gun supporters. Just once I would like to see gun supports stand up and say, "Its time to keep assault weapons out of the hands of people who are not even old enough to drink" or "Lets keep guns out of the hands of those who make threats of violence" or how about" Lets ban APB and Bump stock because they do more harm then good and I don't want my fellow Americans to die because of someonething that could be avoided and not really affect my gun rights at all."

The simple fact is that gun owners seem totally against regulation that would not hinder their ability to own or use a gun in a reasonable way.


Do you have any idea of ballistics and the different levels of body armor and the effect therein?
Other than a political made up term for a firearm, just what exactly is an "Assault Weapon"?
None of my firearms nor any of my accessories let alone the millions of other peoples are to blame. None of those of which you have emotionally attacked and wish to prohibit isn't going to accomplish what you want.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:08 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
As is free speech, the right to assemble, the right to hold whatever religion you want etc etc.


Free speech, assemblies, and religious affiliation don't kill people.

Wysten wrote:Where are you getting all this straw because I really need to feed my horses.


Are human lives more important than guns, yes or no?


Free speech and the spread of ideas has killed a massive amount of people.
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Postby NewLiberalParty » Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:09 pm

Sovaal wrote:
NewLiberalParty wrote:
A round is AP if it can break through bullet proof vests.
Bump stocks turn weapons automatic.
The fact that you will sit there and say that you value your fun over stopping the mass slaughter of civilians especally children is exactly why I put the burdon of these massacures on both the NRA and gun supporters. Just once I would like to see gun supports stand up and say, "Its time to keep assault weapons out of the hands of people who are not even old enough to drink" or "Lets keep guns out of the hands of those who make threats of violence" or how about" Lets ban APB and Bump stock because they do more harm then good and I don't want my fellow Americans to die because of someonething that could be avoided and not really affect my gun rights at all."

The simple fact is that gun owners seem totally against regulation that would not hinder their ability to own or use a gun in a reasonable way.

Again, most rifle rounds can go through most body armor. Theres a reason even plate armor went out of style.


Can you explain to me how banning devices that turn guns auto or sudo auto affect your gun rights at all? How does threats being taken as confessions and taking guns away from people like the school shooter who said he was going to be a professional school shooter affect your gun rights in anyway?

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Torrocca
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Postby Torrocca » Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:10 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Free speech, assemblies, and religious affiliation don't kill people.



Are human lives more important than guns, yes or no?

Is property more important than human lives? In some cases, yes


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Postby Sovaal » Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:11 pm

NewLiberalParty wrote:
Sovaal wrote:Again, most rifle rounds can go through most body armor. Theres a reason even plate armor went out of style.


Can you explain to me how banning devices that turn guns auto or sudo auto affect your gun rights at all? How does threats being taken as confessions and taking guns away from people like the school shooter who said he was going to be a professional school shooter affect your gun rights in anyway?

You realize that that U wasn’t talking about either of those, correct? How about reaponding to what I post instead. Anyway, the FBI should have looked into him, and bumpstocks are stupid anyway and can be made with a grip, a stock, and a bit of wire.
Most of the time I have no idea what the hell I'm doing or talking about.

”Many forms of government have been tried and will be tried in this world of sin and woe.
No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time." -
Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby NewLiberalParty » Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:11 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
NewLiberalParty wrote:
A round is AP if it can break through bullet proof vests.
Bump stocks turn weapons automatic.
The fact that you will sit there and say that you value your fun over stopping the mass slaughter of civilians especally children is exactly why I put the burdon of these massacures on both the NRA and gun supporters. Just once I would like to see gun supports stand up and say, "Its time to keep assault weapons out of the hands of people who are not even old enough to drink" or "Lets keep guns out of the hands of those who make threats of violence" or how about" Lets ban APB and Bump stock because they do more harm then good and I don't want my fellow Americans to die because of someonething that could be avoided and not really affect my gun rights at all."

The simple fact is that gun owners seem totally against regulation that would not hinder their ability to own or use a gun in a reasonable way.


Do you have any idea of ballistics and the different levels of body armor and the effect therein?
Other than a political made up term for a firearm, just what exactly is an "Assault Weapon"?
None of my firearms nor any of my accessories let alone the millions of other peoples are to blame. None of those of which you have emotionally attacked and wish to prohibit isn't going to accomplish what you want.


Assault weapon is a semi auto or auto rifle! Mass shooters mostly use Semi auto rifles. Removing those would stop most if not all of them.

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Postby Torrocca » Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:11 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Free speech, assemblies, and religious affiliation don't kill people.



Are human lives more important than guns, yes or no?


Free speech and the spread of ideas has killed a massive amount of people.


Free speech didn't come about with the idea of killing in mind, however. Guns were invented for the explicit purpose of killing.
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Postby Big Jim P » Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:11 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:Please explain what makes a round AP?

If "Teflon" comes up at any point, I just might fucking shoot my computer in a fit of rage...


Has anyone called an AR a "high powered" rifle recently? :rofl:
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Postby Sovaal » Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:11 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Is property more important than human lives? In some cases, yes


Image

Sometimes home intruder get shot. Should the home owners be charged?
Most of the time I have no idea what the hell I'm doing or talking about.

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No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time." -
Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:12 pm

You can bumpfire with your bare hands lol, and the only reason the stocks exist is because of gun control.
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:12 pm

Sovaal wrote:
Wysten wrote:Where are you getting all this straw because I really need to feed my horses.

I wasn’t think about opening of a straw emporium. Straw hats, straw men, straw beds and straw pillows, straws, bendy straws, curly straws...

Hey now don't be doing that straw women and straw kids deserve to be recognized too.
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Postby Sovaal » Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:13 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:If "Teflon" comes up at any point, I just might fucking shoot my computer in a fit of rage...


Has anyone called an AR a "high powered" rifle recently? :rofl:

If you want. A cringe fest look up “ar 15” on YouTube. “Military high powered semi automatic assault rifle” descriptions abound.
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No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time." -
Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Torrocca » Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:13 pm

Sovaal wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Image

Sometimes home intruder get shot. Should the home owners be charged?


That's a case where the home owner feels their life is in danger. Important distinction between protecting life vs. protecting property.
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Postby Germanic Templars » Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:13 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Free speech and the spread of ideas has killed a massive amount of people.


Free speech didn't come about with the idea of killing in mind, however. Guns were invented for the explicit purpose of killing.


And yet much like the bow and arrow, and the crossbow, they are used for hunting or for recreational use.

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Postby Big Jim P » Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:13 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Free speech and the spread of ideas has killed a massive amount of people.


Free speech didn't come about with the idea of killing in mind, however. Guns were invented for the explicit purpose of killing.


You make the mistake of assuming both that all guns are designed for killing and that all killing is bad. :roll:
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Postby NewLiberalParty » Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:13 pm

Sovaal wrote:
NewLiberalParty wrote:
Can you explain to me how banning devices that turn guns auto or sudo auto affect your gun rights at all? How does threats being taken as confessions and taking guns away from people like the school shooter who said he was going to be a professional school shooter affect your gun rights in anyway?

You realize that that U wasn’t talking about either of those, correct? How about reaponding to what I post instead. Anyway, the FBI should have looked into him, and bumpstocks are stupid anyway and can be made with a grip, a stock, and a bit of wire.


APB are ones that are designed to penitrate bullet proof vests of police. Thus if that is what its intent is, time to ban it! Simple.

You were trying to avoid having to admit that you want APB to be legal because "all bullets can possably do that"

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Postby Germanic Templars » Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:13 pm

NewLiberalParty wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:
Do you have any idea of ballistics and the different levels of body armor and the effect therein?
Other than a political made up term for a firearm, just what exactly is an "Assault Weapon"?
None of my firearms nor any of my accessories let alone the millions of other peoples are to blame. None of those of which you have emotionally attacked and wish to prohibit isn't going to accomplish what you want.


Assault weapon is a semi auto or auto rifle! Mass shooters mostly use Semi auto rifles. Removing those would stop most if not all of them.


This right here got my almonds thinking so much, they turned into milk.

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:13 pm

NewLiberalParty wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:
Do you have any idea of ballistics and the different levels of body armor and the effect therein?
Other than a political made up term for a firearm, just what exactly is an "Assault Weapon"?
None of my firearms nor any of my accessories let alone the millions of other peoples are to blame. None of those of which you have emotionally attacked and wish to prohibit isn't going to accomplish what you want.


Assault weapon is a semi auto or auto rifle! Mass shooters mostly use Semi auto rifles. Removing those would stop most if not all of them.


So a Ruger Mini14 is an assault weapon? How about a Marlin model 60?

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:14 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Free speech and the spread of ideas has killed a massive amount of people.


Free speech didn't come about with the idea of killing in mind, however. Guns were invented for the explicit purpose of killing.


I don't give a shit what the purpose was. If you want to save lives and think that's worth more than anything go rail against any and all freedoms if you want to be consistent.
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