Gun Control: Shiny Toy Guns

[Republic of Keshiland]

A country where ever action and spoken word was monitored would be the safest and least crime ridden county in the world. You could still live life normally but all crime would be stoppable before it began.

That is not living. That is the exact opposite of living and a strong example of why the Second Amendment should exist. I get it. You don't like guns; I'd go so far as to say that you hate guns. That's cool. If they aren't for you, then don't get one. Meanwhile, there are better alternatives than an all out ban.

Ill let the gun issue go when we stop having so many shootings.

[Greater Redosia]

A statement like that is why people do not take you seriously. I mean, I lean to the left but even I have to stop and think "This has to be a joke". People on both sides of the aisle view "1984" as a warning, not an instruction manual, and definitely not a utopia.

A country where every action and spoken word was monitored would be the safest and least crime ridden county in the world. You could still live life normally but all crime would be stoppable before it began.

"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery" -Thomas Jefferson 1787
Great, now Jefferson is rolling in his grave. Who will be forced to start twirling in the dirt next? But now back to "gun" control, not "total" control my dear Keshi.

[Gun Manufacturers]

If only we could harness the energy of Orwell's spinning body we would not need fossil fuels anymore.

His novel is the type of country I want to recreate maybe make the orwells party. The great Big brother state!

Statements like this are why you'd never get elected if you run for office.

[The Sheika]

Ill let the gun issue go when we stop having so many shootings.

Well then here is an opportunity to present an idea that does not involve the idea of taking away guns. There are compromises that can be made, so let's see if you can think of one.

[Republic of Keshiland]

Ill let the gun issue go when we stop having so many shootings.

Well then here is an opportunity to present an idea that does not involve the idea of taking away guns. There are compromises that can be made, so let's see if you can think of one.

Every "compromise" you guys make its punishment after crime not prevention before crime. Its as simple as this. If my state was allowed to be 100% gun free I would be fine even if in a state next to me there was all out war. Thats how much I want guns to be a states rights issue.

[Gun Manufacturers]

Well then here is an opportunity to present an idea that does not involve the idea of taking away guns. There are compromises that can be made, so let's see if you can think of one.

Every "compromise" you guys make its punishment after crime not prevention before crime. Its as simple as this. If my state was allowed to be 100% gun free I would be fine even if in a state next to me there was all out war. Thats how much I want guns to be a states rights issue.

But your state will NEVER be 100% gun free, and the right to bear arms ISN'T a states rights issue.

[The Sheika]

Well then here is an opportunity to present an idea that does not involve the idea of taking away guns. There are compromises that can be made, so let's see if you can think of one.

Every "compromise" you guys make its punishment after crime not prevention before crime. Its as simple as this. If my state was allowed to be 100% gun free I would be fine even if in a state next to me there was all out war. Thats how much I want guns to be a states rights issue.

Yes, most punishments come after a crime has taken place because you can't punish someone for something they haven't done. That's how it works. In regards to prevention, there are plenty of measures that can be taken to help reduce shootings. Regardless of your state being 100% gun free, that is no guarantee of 100% safety. If somebody is truly determined to cause harm to others they will find a way to carry that out no matter where it is. All the more reason why there is a chance of a reasonable compromise being made without the removal of firearms.

[Republic of Keshiland]

Every "compromise" you guys make its punishment after crime not prevention before crime. Its as simple as this. If my state was allowed to be 100% gun free I would be fine even if in a state next to me there was all out war. Thats how much I want guns to be a states rights issue.

But your state will NEVER be 100% gun free, and the right to beaar arms ISN'T a states rights issue.

Guns are not human rights. Every other free nation has no right to own a gun so that says a lot. Why the hell do you care if my state 80% wants guns gone? Mind your own business!

[Hammer Britannia]

But your state will NEVER be 100% gun free, and the right to beaar arms ISN'T a states rights issue.

Guns are not human rights. Every other free nation has no right to own a gun so that says a lot. Why the hell do you care if my state 80% wants guns gone? Mind your own business!

1. No nation except authoritarian North Korea and shitholes in Africa have fully banned guns for civ usage
2. Where the fuck did you get that 80% from?

[Wysten]

But your state will NEVER be 100% gun free, and the right to beaar arms ISN'T a states rights issue.

Guns are not human rights. Every other free nation has no right to own a gun so that says a lot. Why the hell do you care if my state 80% wants guns gone? Mind your own business!

>Wants 1984 to happen
>Says mind your own business

[Republic of Keshiland]

Guns are not human rights. Every other free nation has no right to own a gun so that says a lot. Why the hell do you care if my state 80% wants guns gone? Mind your own business!

1. No nation except authoritarian North Korea and shitholes in Africa have fully banned guns for civ usage
2. Where the fuck did you get that 80% from?

20% or less own guns. 80% do not.

[Grinning Dragon]

Well then here is an opportunity to present an idea that does not involve the idea of taking away guns. There are compromises that can be made, so let's see if you can think of one.

Every "compromise" you guys make its punishment after crime not prevention before crime. Its as simple as this. If my state was allowed to be 100% gun free I would be fine even if in a state next to me there was all out war. Thats how much I want guns to be a states rights issue.

States don't have rights, they have powers. Please see the 10th Amendment.
The other issue is, the states have all ratified the US Constitution as the highest law of the and in the US Constitution, there is the enumeration of the 2nd Amendment, in which is binding upon the states.

[The Sheika]

1. No nation except authoritarian North Korea and shitholes in Africa have fully banned guns for civ usage
2. Where the fuck did you get that 80% from?

20% or less own guns. 80% do not.

Lack of owning a firearm does not mean hating firearms. You don't have to have a gun to support the Second Amendment.

[Hammer Britannia]

1. No nation except authoritarian North Korea and shitholes in Africa have fully banned guns for civ usage
2. Where the fuck did you get that 80% from?

20% or less own guns. 80% do not.

Just because someone doesn't own a gun doesn't mean they want them banned

[Grinning Dragon]

But your state will NEVER be 100% gun free, and the right to beaar arms ISN'T a states rights issue.

Guns are not human rights. Every other free nation has no right to own a gun so that says a lot. Why the hell do you care if my state 80% wants guns gone? Mind your own business!

You and others keep making this claim as if it matters, the US isn't other countries, other countries isn't the US. In the US, the right to keep and bear arms is a right, that is all that matters in this context.

[Gun Manufacturers]

But your state will NEVER be 100% gun free, and the right to beaar arms ISN'T a states rights issue.

Guns are not human rights. Every other free nation has no right to own a gun so that says a lot. Why the hell do you care if my state 80% wants guns gone? Mind your own business!

Guns are an American right, which is where you (sometimes), my family, and I live. And I have several relatives in Maryland (one of which has a purple heart from his service in the Army during Vietnam, and owns firearms).

[Gun Manufacturers]

1. No nation except authoritarian North Korea and shitholes in Africa have fully banned guns for civ usage
2. Where the fuck did you get that 80% from?

20% or less own guns. 80% do not.

Just because they don't own firearms doesn't mean they want them gone. For a long time, I didn't own firearms, but I wasn't anti-gun. My mother doesn't own firearms, but she has no issue with my brother in law, my nephew, and I own them.

[Thermodolia]

Every year everyone who owns a gun or wants to own a gun should be required to go through a house check, online check, and criminal check as well as pass a skills test and written test before getting their license renewed. Refusing to do any one of the 5 results in being barred for the whole year from having a gun refuse twice and it's a lifelong barring. Simple and safer.

Fuck that

[Thermodolia]

If you have nothing to hide you should not only not care about being watched but welcome it. Only those who are breaking the law should fear the government watching them.

Problem: What if "something to hide" becomes "being a critic of the president"? How do you prevent such powers being used to create an Orwellian totalitarian surveillance state?

Don’t worry citizen the thought police will protect you

[Hurtful Thoughts]

Then you would be arrested for a frivolous report.

Its home invasion if you don't invite them in. So I would be correct I would just be using more tense language then this due is a CC carrier but won't leave me home but is not a dangerous threat. I want the gun owner who was rude enough to come into my house to be afraid when the police show up so they never do it again.

Doesn't work when you invite them over, and you realize halfway after enjoying a movie with your GF that she's retired army and a CC-holder, and that bulge in her pocket ain't cause she's a trap.

She then proceeds to wrestle/cuddle and things get awkward when the police show up after hearing girlish screaming.

Least that's what happens when you start dating the cute ones.

[Thermodolia]

If only we could harness the energy of Orwell's spinning body we would not need fossil fuels anymore.

His novel is the type of country I want to recreate maybe make the orwells party. The great Big brother state!

Clearly you are joking right?

[Republic of Keshiland]

His novel is the type of country I want to recreate maybe make the orwells party. The great Big brother state!

Clearly you are joking right?

Nope total servaliance for crime would make a country the least crime-ridden country in the world

[Thermodolia]

A statement like that is why people do not take you seriously. I mean, I lean to the left but even I have to stop and think "This has to be a joke". People on both sides of the aisle view "1984" as a warning, not an instruction manual, and definitely not a utopia.

A country where every action and spoken word was monitored would be the safest and least crime ridden county in the world. You could still live life normally but all crime would be stoppable before it began.

“Mr Keshiland you are under arrest for thought crime against the state”

[Wysten]

Clearly you are joking right?

Nope total servaliance for crime would make a country the least crime-ridden country in the world

Big Brother called they want their motives back.

[Len Hyet]

Clearly you are joking right?

Nope total servaliance for crime would make a country the least crime-ridden country in the world

Repeat after me, 1984 was a warning, not an instruction manual