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Yeah, mostly, seems agreeable.
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Dunno/Not sure/Not American and I think that matters
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Nah, you're crazy. Guns should be more restricted.
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Nah, you're crazy. Guns should be less restricted.
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JC Christ CM come back when the meds wear off
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:35 pm

Gig em Aggies wrote:
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Interesting... It's almost as if bigots lie to further their agenda...

You know what's even more interesting how Keshi's gonna explain himself out this preverbal paper bag.

You know damn well that he's just going to ignore it.
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Postby Big Jim P » Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:58 am

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Gig em Aggies wrote:You know what's even more interesting how Keshi's gonna explain himself out this preverbal paper bag.

You know damn well that he's just going to ignore it.


Indeed. A while back hes asked something, and i answered providing examples. Ignored,
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Postby Republic of Keshiland » Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:36 am

Every year everyone who owns a gun or wants to own a gun should be required to go through a house check, online check, and criminal check as well as pass a skills test and written test before getting their license renewed. Refusing to do any one of the 5 results in being barred for the whole year from having a gun refuse twice and it's a lifelong barring. Simple and safer.
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:38 am

Republic of Keshiland wrote:Every year everyone who owns a gun or wants to own a gun should be required to go through a house check, online check, and criminal check as well as pass a skills test and written test before getting their license renewed. Refusing to do any one of the 5 results in being barred for the whole year from having a gun refuse twice and it's a lifelong barring. Simple and safer.

No, this is not simple and safe, this is byzantine and stupid not to mention an invasion of privacy.
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Postby Republic of Keshiland » Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:44 am

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Republic of Keshiland wrote:Every year everyone who owns a gun or wants to own a gun should be required to go through a house check, online check, and criminal check as well as pass a skills test and written test before getting their license renewed. Refusing to do any one of the 5 results in being barred for the whole year from having a gun refuse twice and it's a lifelong barring. Simple and safer.

No, this is not simple and safe, this is byzantine and stupid not to mention an invasion of privacy.


Well if you want to have a deadly weapon then you should have to give up all privacy. Why should someone lose their life because you want your privacy?
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:47 am

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:No, this is not simple and safe, this is byzantine and stupid not to mention an invasion of privacy.


Well if you want to have a deadly weapon then you should have to give up all privacy. Why should someone lose their life because you want your privacy?

I could say the same thing about all the drugs you want to legalize

"If you want to have a deadly substance then you should have to give up all privacy. Why should someone loose their life in a Meth rage because you want privacy"

Even still, that's not an excuse to invade someone's privacy because that would imply ALL gun owners are dangerous maniacs.
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Postby Republic of Keshiland » Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:50 am

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Well if you want to have a deadly weapon then you should have to give up all privacy. Why should someone lose their life because you want your privacy?

I could say the same thing about all the drugs you want to legalize

"If you want to have a deadly substance then you should have to give up all privacy. Why should someone loose their life in a Meth rage because you want privacy"

Even still, that's not an excuse to invade someone's privacy because that would imply ALL gun owners are dangerous maniacs.


But I thought gun owners were in favour of stopping the crazies and dangerous that want/own guns.
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:51 am

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:I could say the same thing about all the drugs you want to legalize

"If you want to have a deadly substance then you should have to give up all privacy. Why should someone loose their life in a Meth rage because you want privacy"

Even still, that's not an excuse to invade someone's privacy because that would imply ALL gun owners are dangerous maniacs.


But I thought gun owners were in favour of stopping the crazies and dangerous that want/own guns.

Wanting to stop crazy people does not mean they want THEIR privacy invaded

I want to see terrorism stopped, but I would prefer it if the NSA didn't watch my internet traffic.
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Postby Republic of Keshiland » Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:59 am

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Republic of Keshiland wrote:
But I thought gun owners were in favour of stopping the crazies and dangerous that want/own guns.

Wanting to stop crazy people does not mean they want THEIR privacy invaded

I want to see terrorism stopped, but I would prefer it if the NSA didn't watch my internet traffic.


If you have nothing to hide you should not only not care about being watched but welcome it. Only those who are breaking the law should fear the government watching them.
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:00 am

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:Wanting to stop crazy people does not mean they want THEIR privacy invaded

I want to see terrorism stopped, but I would prefer it if the NSA didn't watch my internet traffic.


If you have nothing to hide you should not only not care about being watched but welcome it. Only those who are breaking the law should fear the government watching them.

"If you have nothing to hide. you have nothing to fear"

AKA, the same policies America has. You know, the corrupt and evil nation who orders cops to shoot on sight?
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:11 am

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:I could say the same thing about all the drugs you want to legalize

"If you want to have a deadly substance then you should have to give up all privacy. Why should someone loose their life in a Meth rage because you want privacy"

Even still, that's not an excuse to invade someone's privacy because that would imply ALL gun owners are dangerous maniacs.


But I thought gun owners were in favour of stopping the crazies and dangerous that want/own guns.

Are blacks and Muslims going to be subjected to the same privacy-violating searches?

Because I thought that they were in favor of stopping the dangerous criminals and terrorists in their communities...
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Postby Republic of Keshiland » Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:13 am

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Republic of Keshiland wrote:
If you have nothing to hide you should not only not care about being watched but welcome it. Only those who are breaking the law should fear the government watching them.

"If you have nothing to hide. you have nothing to fear"

AKA, the same policies America has. You know, the corrupt and evil nation who orders cops to shoot on sight?


So when I say that stuff about America or the police I get banned but when you guys say it it's fine #Biased
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:16 am

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:Wanting to stop crazy people does not mean they want THEIR privacy invaded

I want to see terrorism stopped, but I would prefer it if the NSA didn't watch my internet traffic.


If you have nothing to hide you should not only not care about being watched but welcome it. Only those who are breaking the law should fear the government watching them.

What a piss poor, lazy and illogical excuse/stance to take in order to shit all over the enumerations of the 4th Amendment.

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Postby Hammer Britannia » Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:16 am

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:"If you have nothing to hide. you have nothing to fear"

AKA, the same policies America has. You know, the corrupt and evil nation who orders cops to shoot on sight?


So when I say that stuff about America or the police I get banned but when you guys say it it's fine #Biased

I was pointing out that YOU SAID IT, and that YOU BELIEVE IT
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Postby Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft » Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:20 am

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:Wanting to stop crazy people does not mean they want THEIR privacy invaded

I want to see terrorism stopped, but I would prefer it if the NSA didn't watch my internet traffic.


If you have nothing to hide you should not only not care about being watched but welcome it. Only those who are breaking the law should fear the government watching them.

Problem: What if "something to hide" becomes "being a critic of the president"? How do you prevent such powers being used to create an Orwellian totalitarian surveillance state?
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Postby Republic of Keshiland » Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:28 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Republic of Keshiland wrote:
If you have nothing to hide you should not only not care about being watched but welcome it. Only those who are breaking the law should fear the government watching them.

What a piss poor, lazy and illogical excuse/stance to take in order to shit all over the enumerations of the 4th Amendment.


The founding father have proven that they were extremely negligent as they set up future America for massacres, inability to stop terrorism by protecting privacy at all costs, to protect people who need to be cnvicted by letting them plead the 5th like many serial killers who got off several times only to keep killing. So yeah they were terrible people probably laughing right now at the hole they have trapped us in. Not to mention not having popular vote for president.
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Postby Wysten » Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:31 am

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:What a piss poor, lazy and illogical excuse/stance to take in order to shit all over the enumerations of the 4th Amendment.


The founding father have proven that they were extremely negligent as they set up future America for massacres, inability to stop terrorism by protecting privacy at all costs, to protect people who need to be cnvicted by letting them plead the 5th like many serial killers who got off several times only to keep killing. So yeah they were terrible people probably laughing right now at the hole they have trapped us in. Not to mention not having popular vote for president.

The founding fathers were some of the most intelligent men of their time more so than you. They knew the price for freedom they knew that having the popular vote would mean that the 51% gets to rule the 49% making it a tyranny.
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Postby Republic of Keshiland » Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:31 am

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Republic of Keshiland wrote:
So when I say that stuff about America or the police I get banned but when you guys say it it's fine #Biased

I was pointing out that YOU SAID IT, and that YOU BELIEVE IT


So believing what you say matters in bannings -_- sigh
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Postby Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft » Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:32 am

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:What a piss poor, lazy and illogical excuse/stance to take in order to shit all over the enumerations of the 4th Amendment.


The founding father have proven that they were extremely negligent as they set up future America for massacres, inability to stop terrorism by protecting privacy at all costs, to protect people who need to be cnvicted by letting them plead the 5th like many serial killers who got off several times only to keep killing. So yeah they were terrible people probably laughing right now at the hole they have trapped us in. Not to mention not having popular vote for president.

Rates of terrorism actually are decreasing in the west, believe it or not. However, with terrorism becoming rarer, it gets far more media focus today. Also, if we're losing our privacy because of counter-terrorism measures, the terrorists are winning.

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Postby Republic of Keshiland » Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:33 am

Wysten wrote:
Republic of Keshiland wrote:
The founding father have proven that they were extremely negligent as they set up future America for massacres, inability to stop terrorism by protecting privacy at all costs, to protect people who need to be cnvicted by letting them plead the 5th like many serial killers who got off several times only to keep killing. So yeah they were terrible people probably laughing right now at the hole they have trapped us in. Not to mention not having popular vote for president.

The founding fathers were some of the most intelligent men of their time more so than you. They knew the price for freedom they knew that having the popular vote would mean that the 51% gets to rule the 49% making it a tyranny.


They only thought of how things effected their times. Not how it would effect the future also the EC is due to slavery.
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Postby Wysten » Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:33 am

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:I was pointing out that YOU SAID IT, and that YOU BELIEVE IT


So believing what you say matters in bannings -_- sigh

You are just asking for a ban and I'm not even joking you are.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:33 am

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:What a piss poor, lazy and illogical excuse/stance to take in order to shit all over the enumerations of the 4th Amendment.


The founding father have proven that they were extremely negligent as they set up future America for massacres, inability to stop terrorism by protecting privacy at all costs, to protect people who need to be convicted by letting them plead the 5th like many serial killers who got off several times only to keep killing. So yeah they were terrible people probably laughing right now at the hole they have trapped us in. Not to mention not having popular vote for president.


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Yes, free M16's for the masses.

Irony: An M16 stolen off the federal armory, had its serial-numbers ground-off, registered under the 1968 Machinegun Amnesty Act, is now C&R eligiable.

Granted, it's the gunbroker unicorn, and been more than a littled slightly abused. But it's looking for some TLC and CLP.

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:"If you have nothing to hide. you have nothing to fear"

AKA, the same policies America has. You know, the corrupt and evil nation who orders cops to shoot on sight?


So when I say that stuff about America or the police I get banned but when you guys say it it's fine #Biased

I know a person who had that mentality regarding the mods. He tried suing the mods for cyber-bullying.

Went-over about as poorly as you'd expect, since at the time:
1. The forum was hosted by the UK
2. UK had no such laws
3. The client was making up the laws as they went
4. As per previous bans, the client was in violation of forum's terms of agreement on multiple accounts

Their IP is now Delete-on-sight.
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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:38 am

Republic of Keshiland wrote:Every year everyone who owns a gun or wants to own a gun should be required to go through a house check, online check, and criminal check as well as pass a skills test and written test before getting their license renewed. Refusing to do any one of the 5 results in being barred for the whole year from having a gun refuse twice and it's a lifelong barring. Simple and safer.


Fuck no.
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Postby Republic of Keshiland » Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:41 am

Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Republic of Keshiland wrote:Every year everyone who owns a gun or wants to own a gun should be required to go through a house check, online check, and criminal check as well as pass a skills test and written test before getting their license renewed. Refusing to do any one of the 5 results in being barred for the whole year from having a gun refuse twice and it's a lifelong barring. Simple and safer.


Fuck no.


What are you hiding? Planning something illegal I would have over all my info on everything I am clean as can be
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