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Yeah, mostly, seems agreeable.
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Dunno/Not sure/Not American and I think that matters
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Nah, you're crazy. Guns should be more restricted.
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Nah, you're crazy. Guns should be less restricted.
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JC Christ CM come back when the meds wear off
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Postby Republic of Keshiland » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:13 am

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Republic of Keshiland wrote:
There is a problem because gun owners are not out marching and speaking out about bad people with guns nor are they actively trying to stop mass shooters with their "good guy gun" Supporting the 2A without speaking out about the bad apples means you are okay with the bad apples same with the police in this country who protect their own same with the military who protects their own.

By this logic, black people and Muslims are a problem because they don't do enough to stop crime and terrorism.


They are not part of the same group by choice and the extremists are opportunists, not real believers.
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:13 am

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:
Why does everything you post have to be wrapped up in emotions? Keep the emotions out of it and think through logically, like stone cold vulcan logic. fuck appeals to emotions.


Its not appeiling to emotions to tell the people with guns to call out and dissown the bad people with guns!

And its not appealing to burn the constitution and call police the slave patrol, and to say the military commits genocide and then expect to be voted into office.
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Postby The Sheika » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:14 am

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
The Sheika wrote:That's quite a leap that you made there. Supporting the Second Amendment does not mean you have to speak out against somebody who committed a mass shooting. Common sense would dictate that it is obvious what happened was tragic. As for not actively trying to stop mass shooters; I do seem to recall a gentleman in Texas running toward the church that had come under fire who was trying to stop it. You may focus on the bad, but there are good people who are strong supporters of the Second Amendment.


If they are not running towards the shooter in a shooting to kill them then they have no reason to be armed.The only way the Good guy with a gun argument holds up is if all the good guys with guns in mass shooting situations go towards the bullets not away from them.

Did you miss the point I made about the gentlemen running toward the church? Did you also miss the news coverage that said "good guy with a gun" stopped a truck and told the driver to chase the shooter as the shooter was trying to flee? He ran toward the bullets, he ran after the shooter.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:15 am

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:By this logic, black people and Muslims are a problem because they don't do enough to stop crime and terrorism.


They are not part of the same group by choice and the extremists are opportunists, not real believers.

That applies to gun owners as well.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:15 am

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:
Why does everything you post have to be wrapped up in emotions? Keep the emotions out of it and think through logically, like stone cold vulcan logic. fuck appeals to emotions.


Its not appealing to emotions to tell the people with guns to call out and disown the bad people with guns!

Interesting enough, gun owners do condemn the actions of those who use firearms to injure or kill without just cause to do so.
You on the other hand continue to appeal to emotion as if everyone should dance in the blood of victims and turn on the water works like Niagara Falls.

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Postby Gig em Aggies » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:15 am

The Sheika wrote:
Republic of Keshiland wrote:
If they are not running towards the shooter in a shooting to kill them then they have no reason to be armed.The only way the Good guy with a gun argument holds up is if all the good guys with guns in mass shooting situations go towards the bullets not away from them.

Did you miss the point I made about the gentlemen running toward the church? Did you also miss the news coverage that said "good guy with a gun" stopped a truck and told the driver to chase the shooter as the shooter was trying to flee? He ran toward the bullets, he ran after the shooter.

He dont care he just wants to cherry pick out all that makes him look good even if everything he states is wrong or made up
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Postby Wysten » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:15 am

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:By this logic, black people and Muslims are a problem because they don't do enough to stop crime and terrorism.


They are not part of the same group by choice and the extremists are opportunists, not real believers.

Actually Islamic extremists take it literally they are super believers per say.
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Postby Republic of Keshiland » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:16 am

Telconi wrote:
Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Its not appeiling to emotions to tell the people with guns to call out and dissown the bad people with guns!


We do, every damn time... You don't care though, too busy being a bigot...


Really? Because all I hear are 1. Guns don't kill people, people kill people 2. FALSE FLAG or 3. They're gonna take away our guns!

Don't get me started on the police/military.
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Postby Telconi » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:18 am

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:By this logic, black people and Muslims are a problem because they don't do enough to stop crime and terrorism.


They are not part of the same group by choice and the extremists are opportunists, not real believers.


Muslims are Muslims by choice. Black folks engage in their community by choice. Criminals with guns are opportunists. Criminals with guns don't represent the beliefs of the gun rights community...

0/4 that's bad...
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Postby Len Hyet » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:18 am

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Telconi wrote:
We do, every damn time... You don't care though, too busy being a bigot...


Really? Because all I hear are 1. Guns don't kill people, people kill people 2. FALSE FLAG or 3. They're gonna take away our guns!

Don't get me started on the police/military.

Just because I enjoy watching you make a fool of yourself:

NRA on Sandy Hook "The National Rifle Association -- 4 million mothers, fathers, sons and daughters -- join the nation in horror, outrage, grief, and earnest prayer for the families of Newtown, Connecticut, who have suffered such an incomprehensible loss as a result of this unspeakable crime."

The Newtown Police Chief "My thoughts are always with the victims' families, who suffered the most on that day and the very painful days thereafter. The impact on the families who lost loved ones in a hail of bullets has always been my priority and will continue to be in my thoughts until the day I leave this earth."

But please, open your mouth further and let more uninformed nonsense spill out.
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:19 am

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Telconi wrote:
We do, every damn time... You don't care though, too busy being a bigot...


Really? Because all I hear are 1. Guns don't kill people, people kill people 2. FALSE FLAG or 3. They're gonna take away our guns!

Don't get me started on the police/military.

1. We never said that
2. Where did we say anything about a false flag
3. Well your comments sure lend credence to that statement as you want to take away our guns.
Dont worry you already said the police are slave patrols and kill thousands upon thousands as well you said the military commits genocide w/o giving proof.
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Postby Telconi » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:19 am

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Telconi wrote:
We do, every damn time... You don't care though, too busy being a bigot...


Really? Because all I hear are 1. Guns don't kill people, people kill people 2. FALSE FLAG or 3. They're gonna take away our guns!

Don't get me started on the police/military.


Your lack of observation is neither my fault nor my problem.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:20 am

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Telconi wrote:
We do, every damn time... You don't care though, too busy being a bigot...


Really? Because all I hear are 1. Guns don't kill people, people kill people 2. FALSE FLAG or 3. They're gonna take away our guns!

Don't get me started on the police/military.

1. Well guns all by themselves are incapable of doing harm, a tool requires a person to manipulate said tool.
2. What?
3. Happened unconstitutionally, in New Orleans after hurricane Katrina. As well as other attempts by shitbag politicians to take firearms away from the people.
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Postby Telconi » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:22 am

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Telconi wrote:
We do, every damn time... You don't care though, too busy being a bigot...


Really? Because all I hear are 1. Guns don't kill people, people kill people 2. FALSE FLAG or 3. They're gonna take away our guns!

Don't get me started on the police/military.



Also:
1)This is true.
2)Nobody says that.
3)You do...
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Postby Republic of Keshiland » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:22 am

Gig em Aggies wrote:
Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Really? Because all I hear are 1. Guns don't kill people, people kill people 2. FALSE FLAG or 3. They're gonna take away our guns!

Don't get me started on the police/military.

1. We never said that
2. Where did we say anything about a false flag
3. Well your comments sure lend credence to that statement as you want to take away our guns.
Dont worry you already said the police are slave patrols and kill thousands upon thousands as well you said the military commits genocide w/o giving proof.


Im talking about people all over the internet and the likes of Alex jones and britebart and FAUX saying that plus millions of their fans
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Postby Len Hyet » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:24 am

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Gig em Aggies wrote:1. We never said that
2. Where did we say anything about a false flag
3. Well your comments sure lend credence to that statement as you want to take away our guns.
Dont worry you already said the police are slave patrols and kill thousands upon thousands as well you said the military commits genocide w/o giving proof.


Im talking about people all over the internet and the likes of Alex jones and britebart and FAUX saying that plus millions of their fans

Okay, and? People are stupid. Pointing out that the lowest common denominator exists is not an argument.
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Postby Telconi » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:24 am

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Gig em Aggies wrote:1. We never said that
2. Where did we say anything about a false flag
3. Well your comments sure lend credence to that statement as you want to take away our guns.
Dont worry you already said the police are slave patrols and kill thousands upon thousands as well you said the military commits genocide w/o giving proof.


Im talking about people all over the internet and the likes of Alex jones and britebart and FAUX saying that plus millions of their fans


Stop cherry picking stupid extremists to represent an entire community...
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Postby Wysten » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:38 am

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Gig em Aggies wrote:1. We never said that
2. Where did we say anything about a false flag
3. Well your comments sure lend credence to that statement as you want to take away our guns.
Dont worry you already said the police are slave patrols and kill thousands upon thousands as well you said the military commits genocide w/o giving proof.


Im talking about people all over the internet and the likes of Alex jones and britebart and FAUX saying that plus millions of their fans

At least Alex Jones is entertaining and now that Bannon is out Britebart can finally get back on its feet.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:25 pm

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
France also uses its front-line infantry as a police force on occasion.


But it works because they are not in battle committing genocide against the middle east unlike the USA

Um. Sure whatever you say.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:29 pm

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:
Why does everything you post have to be wrapped up in emotions? Keep the emotions out of it and think through logically, like stone cold vulcan logic. fuck appeals to emotions.


Its not appeiling to emotions to tell the people with guns to call out and dissown the bad people with guns!

So what about those Muslim who never call out the terrorist Muslims? Are they the same as the terrorist Muslims?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:38 pm

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:
Why does everything you post have to be wrapped up in emotions? Keep the emotions out of it and think through logically, like stone cold vulcan logic. fuck appeals to emotions.


Its not appeiling to emotions to tell the people with guns to call out and dissown the bad people with guns!


Literally all of us have, you just don't care.
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:13 pm

Wysten wrote:
Republic of Keshiland wrote:Im talking about people all over the internet and the likes of Alex jones and britebart and FAUX saying that plus millions of their fans

At least Alex Jones is entertaining and now that Bannon is out Breitbart can finally get back on its feet.

Not very bloody likely. Bannon was kicked out because he was no longer properly subservient to the Mercers, the anti-government libertarian billionaires clan that funded Breitbart and also supported Trump for the express purpose of weakening the US government. Breitbart is going to be as obnoxious as it always has been, perhaps it even becomes more toxic.


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Postby Gig em Aggies » Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:05 pm

Hurdergaryp wrote:
Wysten wrote:At least Alex Jones is entertaining and now that Bannon is out Breitbart can finally get back on its feet.

Not very bloody likely. Bannon was kicked out because he was no longer properly subservient to the Mercers, the anti-government libertarian billionaires clan that funded Breitbart and also supported Trump for the express purpose of weakening the US government. Breitbart is going to be as obnoxious as it always has been, perhaps it even becomes more toxic.

Anyways back to gun control yeah? Anyways I found this on a report taken by breitbart from a ABC affiliate in Washington.

The ugly truth that Democrats and their gun control surrogates in the media ignore is that background checks have proven to be the favorite way for mass public attackers to acquire their guns. From the Texas church shooting (November 5, 2017) to Las Vegas (October 1, 2017) to Orlando Pulse (June 12, 2016) to the attack on the Aurora movie theater (July 20, 2012) and Virginia Tech (April 16, 2007), mass public attackers are acquiring their guns via background checks, not private sales.


Moreover, even the government has demonstrated that large swaths of the left’s private gun sale “loophole” are actually non-existent. A Government Accountability Office (GAO) report shows that federal agents spent two and a half years impersonating prohibited buyers who were trying to skirt the system and buy guns privately online. They made 72 attempts to buy guns and failed 72 times.


And I found this Link which ties in to the last paragraph of the brietbart story.
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“The reason that the Aggies does so well in wartime, is that war is chaos, and the Aggies practices chaos on a daily basis.”
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Postby Telconi » Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:17 pm

Gig em Aggies wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:Not very bloody likely. Bannon was kicked out because he was no longer properly subservient to the Mercers, the anti-government libertarian billionaires clan that funded Breitbart and also supported Trump for the express purpose of weakening the US government. Breitbart is going to be as obnoxious as it always has been, perhaps it even becomes more toxic.

Anyways back to gun control yeah? Anyways I found this on a report taken by breitbart from a ABC affiliate in Washington.

The ugly truth that Democrats and their gun control surrogates in the media ignore is that background checks have proven to be the favorite way for mass public attackers to acquire their guns. From the Texas church shooting (November 5, 2017) to Las Vegas (October 1, 2017) to Orlando Pulse (June 12, 2016) to the attack on the Aurora movie theater (July 20, 2012) and Virginia Tech (April 16, 2007), mass public attackers are acquiring their guns via background checks, not private sales.


Moreover, even the government has demonstrated that large swaths of the left’s private gun sale “loophole” are actually non-existent. A Government Accountability Office (GAO) report shows that federal agents spent two and a half years impersonating prohibited buyers who were trying to skirt the system and buy guns privately online. They made 72 attempts to buy guns and failed 72 times.


And I found this Link which ties in to the last paragraph of the brietbart story.


Interesting... It's almost as if bigots lie to further their agenda...
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:26 pm

Telconi wrote:
Gig em Aggies wrote:Anyways back to gun control yeah? Anyways I found this on a report taken by breitbart from a ABC affiliate in Washington.





And I found this Link which ties in to the last paragraph of the brietbart story.


Interesting... It's almost as if bigots lie to further their agenda...

You know what's even more interesting how Keshi's gonna explain himself out this preverbal paper bag.
“One of the serious problems of planning against Aggie doctrine is that the Aggies do not read their manuals nor do they feel any obligations to follow their doctrine.”
“The reason that the Aggies does so well in wartime, is that war is chaos, and the Aggies practices chaos on a daily basis.”
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