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Am I Right?

Yeah, mostly, seems agreeable.
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Dunno/Not sure/Not American and I think that matters
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Nah, you're crazy. Guns should be more restricted.
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Nah, you're crazy. Guns should be less restricted.
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JC Christ CM come back when the meds wear off
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Postby Republic of Keshiland » Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:25 am

Wysten wrote:
Republic of Keshiland wrote:
But it works because they are not in battle committing genocide against the middle east unlike the USA

Weird because I don't remember my dad who has been to both Iraq and Afghanistan tell me about lining people up and shooting them must have forgotten that day.


They are in their country illegally and they are killing thousands of civilians in the cross fire of wars that should not be a thing.
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Postby Wysten » Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:27 am

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Wysten wrote:Weird because I don't remember my dad who has been to both Iraq and Afghanistan tell me about lining people up and shooting them must have forgotten that day.


They are in their country illegally and they are killing thousands of civilians in the cross fire of wars that should not be a thing.

You said genocide that means walking into an Afghan village burning the houses down and killing everyone inside last time I checked the only people doing that are the Taliban.
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:27 am

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Wysten wrote:Weird because I don't remember my dad who has been to both Iraq and Afghanistan tell me about lining people up and shooting them must have forgotten that day.


They are in their country illegally and they are killing thousands of civilians in the crossfire of wars that should not be a thing.

Emphasis Mine

Crossfire, that means accidental

That means, not Genocide

And if "Being in the country illegally" is a problem, then do you mind me kicking out all the illegals in America?
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:33 am

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
France also uses its front-line infantry as a police force on occasion.


But it works because they are not in battle committing genocide against the middle east unlike the USA

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Postby Telconi » Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:36 am

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
France also uses its front-line infantry as a police force on occasion.


But it works because they are not in battle committing genocide against the middle east unlike the USA


Uh huh...
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Postby The Sheika » Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:36 am

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
France also uses its front-line infantry as a police force on occasion.


But it works because they are not in battle committing genocide against the middle east unlike the USA

Although I may have a strong opinion of the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan, they are nowhere near the level of loss of life required to even begin considering labeling them as genocidal actions. Politically difficult? Sure. Not something we should have jumped right into? Probably. But genocide? I think you may want to research the meaning of that word.
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Postby Republic of Keshiland » Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:43 am

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Republic of Keshiland wrote:
They are in their country illegally and they are killing thousands of civilians in the crossfire of wars that should not be a thing.

Emphasis Mine

Crossfire, that means accidental

That means, not Genocide

And if "Being in the country illegally" is a problem, then do you mind me kicking out all the illegals in America?


Its only a problem when the illegals are killing people. Not when they pay taxes or are FLEEING violence
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Postby Telconi » Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:49 am

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:Emphasis Mine

Crossfire, that means accidental

That means, not Genocide

And if "Being in the country illegally" is a problem, then do you mind me kicking out all the illegals in America?


Its only a problem when the illegals are killing people. Not when they pay taxes or are FLEEING violence


What if they hurt my feelings?
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Postby Republic of Keshiland » Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:50 am

Telconi wrote:
Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Its only a problem when the illegals are killing people. Not when they pay taxes or are FLEEING violence


What if they hurt my feelings?


To bad so sad for you. I'm sure your support for the 2nd amendment after Sandyhook hurt the parents feelings
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Postby Telconi » Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:54 am

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Telconi wrote:
What if they hurt my feelings?


To bad so sad for you. I'm sure your support for the 2nd amendment after Sandyhook hurt the parents feelings


Well too bad so sad for them...
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:56 am

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:Emphasis Mine

Crossfire, that means accidental

That means, not Genocide

And if "Being in the country illegally" is a problem, then do you mind me kicking out all the illegals in America?


Its only a problem when the illegals are killing people. Not when they pay taxes or are FLEEING violence

So since the vast majority of guns and gun owners aren't involved in crime, there's no problem with people owning guns?
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Postby Republic of Keshiland » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:00 am

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Its only a problem when the illegals are killing people. Not when they pay taxes or are FLEEING violence

So since the vast majority of guns and gun owners aren't involved in crime, there's no problem with people owning guns?


There is a problem because gun owners are not out marching and speaking out about bad people with guns nor are they actively trying to stop mass shooters with their "good guy gun" Supporting the 2A without speaking out about the bad apples means you are okay with the bad apples same with the police in this country who protect their own same with the military who protects their own.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:02 am

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Telconi wrote:
What if they hurt my feelings?


*To bad so sad for you. I'm sure your support for the 2nd amendment after Sandyhook hurt the parents feelings

* Translation: When I don't have facts or stats, I appeal to emotions to make my point.

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Postby Republic of Keshiland » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:03 am

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Republic of Keshiland wrote:
*To bad so sad for you. I'm sure your support for the 2nd amendment after Sandyhook hurt the parents feelings

* Translation: When I don't have facts or stats, I appeal to emotions to make my point.


I was responding to an emotional post who would have to be actively trying to get offended since most "illegals" don't know english.
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Postby Telconi » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:03 am

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:So since the vast majority of guns and gun owners aren't involved in crime, there's no problem with people owning guns?


There is a problem because gun owners are not out marching and speaking out about bad people with guns nor are they actively trying to stop mass shooters with their "good guy gun" Supporting the 2A without speaking out about the bad apples means you are okay with the bad apples same with the police in this country who protect their own same with the military who protects their own.


Y'know, made up bullshit doesn't constitute facts or arguments...
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Postby Telconi » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:04 am

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:* Translation: When I don't have facts or stats, I appeal to emotions to make my point.


I was responding to an emotional post who would have to be actively trying to get offended since most "illegals" don't know english.


What the hell does knowing English have to do with anything...
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Postby Republic of Keshiland » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:05 am

Telconi wrote:
Republic of Keshiland wrote:
There is a problem because gun owners are not out marching and speaking out about bad people with guns nor are they actively trying to stop mass shooters with their "good guy gun" Supporting the 2A without speaking out about the bad apples means you are okay with the bad apples same with the police in this country who protect their own same with the military who protects their own.


Y'know, made up bullshit doesn't constitute facts or arguments...


How many times have the big gun onwer groups or gun owners at large been completely open in their outrage and not just trying to save their right to have a gun. How many times have the police turned their own in and said we want them convicted for the murder of a civilian or the beating. How many times has the military said this is not right and we will not fight or that this person is bad sent him to prison?
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Postby Republic of Keshiland » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:06 am

Telconi wrote:
Republic of Keshiland wrote:
I was responding to an emotional post who would have to be actively trying to get offended since most "illegals" don't know english.


What the hell does knowing English have to do with anything...


You can't be offended if you can't understand what they are saying.
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Postby The Sheika » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:07 am

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:So since the vast majority of guns and gun owners aren't involved in crime, there's no problem with people owning guns?


There is a problem because gun owners are not out marching and speaking out about bad people with guns nor are they actively trying to stop mass shooters with their "good guy gun" Supporting the 2A without speaking out about the bad apples means you are okay with the bad apples same with the police in this country who protect their own same with the military who protects their own.

That's quite a leap that you made there. Supporting the Second Amendment does not mean you have to speak out against somebody who committed a mass shooting. Common sense would dictate that it is obvious what happened was tragic. As for not actively trying to stop mass shooters; I do seem to recall a gentleman in Texas running toward the church that had come under fire who was trying to stop it. You may focus on the bad, but there are good people who are strong supporters of the Second Amendment.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:08 am

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Y'know, made up bullshit doesn't constitute facts or arguments...


How many times have the big gun onwer groups or gun owners at large been completely open in their outrage and not just trying to save their right to have a gun. How many times have the police turned their own in and said we want them convicted for the murder of a civilian or the beating. How many times has the military said this is not right and we will not fight or that this person is bad sent him to prison?


Why does everything you post have to be wrapped up in emotions? Keep the emotions out of it and think through logically, like stone cold vulcan logic. fuck appeals to emotions.

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Postby Republic of Keshiland » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:09 am

The Sheika wrote:
Republic of Keshiland wrote:
There is a problem because gun owners are not out marching and speaking out about bad people with guns nor are they actively trying to stop mass shooters with their "good guy gun" Supporting the 2A without speaking out about the bad apples means you are okay with the bad apples same with the police in this country who protect their own same with the military who protects their own.

That's quite a leap that you made there. Supporting the Second Amendment does not mean you have to speak out against somebody who committed a mass shooting. Common sense would dictate that it is obvious what happened was tragic. As for not actively trying to stop mass shooters; I do seem to recall a gentleman in Texas running toward the church that had come under fire who was trying to stop it. You may focus on the bad, but there are good people who are strong supporters of the Second Amendment.


If they are not running towards the shooter in a shooting to kill them then they have no reason to be armed.The only way the Good guy with a gun argument holds up is if all the good guys with guns in mass shooting situations go towards the bullets not away from them.
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Postby Telconi » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:09 am

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Telconi wrote:
What the hell does knowing English have to do with anything...


You can't be offended if you can't understand what they are saying.


100% of guns can't speak English... So how did you get so bent out of shape?

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Y'know, made up bullshit doesn't constitute facts or arguments...


How many times have the big gun onwer groups or gun owners at large been completely open in their outrage and not just trying to save their right to have a gun. How many times have the police turned their own in and said we want them convicted for the murder of a civilian or the beating. How many times has the military said this is not right and we will not fight or that this person is bad sent him to prison?


That's it guys, shut it down, no more patrols cuz Keshiland says we don't care.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:11 am

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:So since the vast majority of guns and gun owners aren't involved in crime, there's no problem with people owning guns?


There is a problem because gun owners are not out marching and speaking out about bad people with guns nor are they actively trying to stop mass shooters with their "good guy gun" Supporting the 2A without speaking out about the bad apples means you are okay with the bad apples same with the police in this country who protect their own same with the military who protects their own.

By this logic, black people and Muslims are a problem because they don't do enough to stop crime and terrorism.
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Postby Republic of Keshiland » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:11 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Republic of Keshiland wrote:
How many times have the big gun onwer groups or gun owners at large been completely open in their outrage and not just trying to save their right to have a gun. How many times have the police turned their own in and said we want them convicted for the murder of a civilian or the beating. How many times has the military said this is not right and we will not fight or that this person is bad sent him to prison?


Why does everything you post have to be wrapped up in emotions? Keep the emotions out of it and think through logically, like stone cold vulcan logic. fuck appeals to emotions.


Its not appeiling to emotions to tell the people with guns to call out and dissown the bad people with guns!
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Postby Telconi » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:13 am

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:
Why does everything you post have to be wrapped up in emotions? Keep the emotions out of it and think through logically, like stone cold vulcan logic. fuck appeals to emotions.


Its not appeiling to emotions to tell the people with guns to call out and dissown the bad people with guns!


We do, every damn time... You don't care though, too busy being a bigot...
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