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Yeah, mostly, seems agreeable.
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22%
Dunno/Not sure/Not American and I think that matters
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6%
Nah, you're crazy. Guns should be more restricted.
187
26%
Nah, you're crazy. Guns should be less restricted.
287
40%
JC Christ CM come back when the meds wear off
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Postby Republic of Keshiland » Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:32 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Republic of Keshiland wrote:
I just need to work up about 1/5th-1/4th of the population into a fanatic frenzy of anti 2A and get them being civilly (shutting down roads marching) and economically disruptive (Boycott or block businesses that are not openly anti 2A) until they give in and agree to remove or greatly weaken it.


Not gonna happen.


If 45 can do it over coal I can do it over guns.
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I finally realised how messed up English was when I read a sign in French and could comprehend half of it despite never learning any French

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Postby Topoliani » Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:32 pm

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Gun Manufacturers wrote:
There's a way to "light the 2A on fire", but you keep trying to do things the lazy way. If you want it gone, put in the effort. Just don't be surprised when other people put in the effort to counteract you.


I just need to work up about 1/5th-1/4th of the population into a fanatic frenzy of anti 2A and get them being civilly (shutting down roads marching) and economically disruptive (Boycott or block businesses that are not openly anti 2A) until they give in and agree to remove or greatly weaken it.

You need to learn from BLM

They tried to make change and gain by blocking moi roads and burning moi shit, you know what happened? Everyone made a joke about them and now they are forgotten about

And good luck even getting even 10K in your damn group
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:34 pm

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Not gonna happen.


If 45 can do it over coal I can do it over guns.


No you can't. You're never going to be in a position of power.
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Postby Republic of Keshiland » Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:34 pm

Greater Redosia wrote:
Republic of Keshiland wrote:
I just need to work up about 1/5th-1/4th of the population into a fanatic frenzy of anti 2A and get them being civilly (shutting down roads marching) and economically disruptive (Boycott or block businesses that are not openly anti 2A) until they give in and agree to remove or greatly weaken it.


1. I doubt you can get THAT many people to do all that
2. what about the businesses that are neither pro-2A or anti-2A, are they spared or boycotted too.


2. They are boycotted 2. From Walmart to the smallest of businesses.
I am pro-life, anti-gun, pro-immigration, pro UHC, pro-free college, pro universal income, anti-war, anti-death penalty, pro-financial ade, pro anything that makes children's lives better.

I finally realised how messed up English was when I read a sign in French and could comprehend half of it despite never learning any French

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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:35 pm

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Gig em Aggies wrote:You keep forgetting about criminals Keshi criminals don't care about the laws that's why they break them. And to your idea no and no it's still a constitutional violation which you keep forgetting about.


I don't care about the 2A my presidential campaign would consist of burning a copy of the 2A on live TV at a debate about guns.


Since the 2nd Amendment is part of the US Constitution, burning a copy of the US Constitution on live TV at a debate will guarantee you won't get elected.
Gun control is like trying to solve drunk driving by making it harder for sober people to own cars.

Any accident you can walk away from is one I can laugh at.

DOJ's interpretation of the 2nd Amendment: http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/fi ... -p0126.pdf

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Postby Gig em Aggies » Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:37 pm

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Gun Manufacturers wrote:
No.


Why everyone gets what they want.

No it's only you who wants it that way stop speaking for everyone.
“One of the serious problems of planning against Aggie doctrine is that the Aggies do not read their manuals nor do they feel any obligations to follow their doctrine.”
“The reason that the Aggies does so well in wartime, is that war is chaos, and the Aggies practices chaos on a daily basis.”
“If we don’t know what we are doing, the enemy certainly can’t anticipate our future actions!”

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Postby Republic of Keshiland » Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:38 pm

Gig em Aggies wrote:
Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Why everyone gets what they want.

No it's only you who wants it that way stop speaking for everyone.


Blue states/liberals/leftists/progressives get to live carnage free
I am pro-life, anti-gun, pro-immigration, pro UHC, pro-free college, pro universal income, anti-war, anti-death penalty, pro-financial ade, pro anything that makes children's lives better.

I finally realised how messed up English was when I read a sign in French and could comprehend half of it despite never learning any French

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Postby Gig em Aggies » Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:39 pm

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Not gonna happen.


If 45 can do it over coal I can do it over guns.

Except he didn't coal is still alive and well and now it's gonna get even better. But he at least had a chance because he was a president with political experience you are neither a political nor have any experience Plus you wouldn't even get elected with your so called "proposals"
“One of the serious problems of planning against Aggie doctrine is that the Aggies do not read their manuals nor do they feel any obligations to follow their doctrine.”
“The reason that the Aggies does so well in wartime, is that war is chaos, and the Aggies practices chaos on a daily basis.”
“If we don’t know what we are doing, the enemy certainly can’t anticipate our future actions!”

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Postby Topoliani » Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:40 pm

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Gig em Aggies wrote:No it's only you who wants it that way stop speaking for everyone.


Blue states/liberals/leftists/progressives get to live carnage free

Red states get their own private militia to invade the blue states... wait a sec, this is a GREAT IDEA!!!
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:40 pm

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Gig em Aggies wrote:No it's only you who wants it that way stop speaking for everyone.


Blue states/liberals/leftists/progressives get to live carnage free


Literally nobody I know in this blue state wants your stupid ass ideas.
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Postby Republic of Keshiland » Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:41 pm

Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Republic of Keshiland wrote:
I don't care about the 2A my presidential campaign would consist of burning a copy of the 2A on live TV at a debate about guns.


Since the 2nd Amendment is part of the US Constitution, burning a copy of the US Constitution on live TV at a debate will guarantee you won't get elected.


It will also get all the anti guners by my side and allow me to steal all the coverage. Polarisation is the easiest way to win because you get a solid block that will vote for you no matter what and then everyone else will vote based on issues and likely split their vote-getting you the nomination.
I am pro-life, anti-gun, pro-immigration, pro UHC, pro-free college, pro universal income, anti-war, anti-death penalty, pro-financial ade, pro anything that makes children's lives better.

I finally realised how messed up English was when I read a sign in French and could comprehend half of it despite never learning any French

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Postby Gig em Aggies » Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:41 pm

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Gig em Aggies wrote:No it's only you who wants it that way stop speaking for everyone.


Blue states/liberals/leftists/progressives get to live carnage free

If you even paid any attention to what others have said on here who are either liberal or democrat or leftist or a progressive they would tell your ideas are stupid and not at all what represents their party.
“One of the serious problems of planning against Aggie doctrine is that the Aggies do not read their manuals nor do they feel any obligations to follow their doctrine.”
“The reason that the Aggies does so well in wartime, is that war is chaos, and the Aggies practices chaos on a daily basis.”
“If we don’t know what we are doing, the enemy certainly can’t anticipate our future actions!”

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Postby Topoliani » Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:42 pm

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Since the 2nd Amendment is part of the US Constitution, burning a copy of the US Constitution on live TV at a debate will guarantee you won't get elected.


It will also get all the anti guners by my side and allow me to steal all the coverage. Polarisation is the easiest way to win because you get a solid block that will vote for you no matter what and then everyone else will vote based on issues and likely split their vote-getting you the nomination.

Oh, you mean uncle jerry from across the street and 2 other hobos?

Not every person left is pro "BAN ALL GUNS *LIBERAL SCREECHING*"
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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:42 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Republic of Keshiland wrote:Simple have a 25/25 split. 25 more conservative states get to have complete unfettered access to guns, and the other 25 have a total ban on guns. With a 20 year minimum sentence for having a gun in the 25 no gun states.

Blue = No guns
Red = Guns

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VA, WV, CO, IA, VT, NH, and NV would like to have a word with you.


Don't forget states like CT. Article 1, Section 15 of CT's state constitution states, "SEC. 15. Every citizen has a right to bear arms in defense of himself and the state".

In fact, last I checked, 44 states have the right to bear arms in their state constitutions.
Gun control is like trying to solve drunk driving by making it harder for sober people to own cars.

Any accident you can walk away from is one I can laugh at.

DOJ's interpretation of the 2nd Amendment: http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/fi ... -p0126.pdf

Natapoc wrote:...You should post more in here so I don't seem like the extremist...


Auraelius wrote:If you take the the TITANIC, and remove the letters T, T, and one of the I's, and add the letters C,O,S,P,R, and Y you get CONSPIRACY. oOooOooooOOOooooOOOOOOoooooooo


Maineiacs wrote:Give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he'll sit in a boat and get drunk all day.


Luw wrote:Politics is like having two handfuls of shit - one that smells bad and one that looks bad - and having to decide which one to put in your mouth.

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Postby Gig em Aggies » Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:43 pm

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Since the 2nd Amendment is part of the US Constitution, burning a copy of the US Constitution on live TV at a debate will guarantee you won't get elected.


It will also get all the anti guners by my side and allow me to steal all the coverage. Polarisation is the easiest way to win because you get a solid block that will vote for you no matter what and then everyone else will vote based on issues and likely split their vote-getting you the nomination.

Except American voters are not as dumb as you make them out to be so you wouldn't win at all.
“One of the serious problems of planning against Aggie doctrine is that the Aggies do not read their manuals nor do they feel any obligations to follow their doctrine.”
“The reason that the Aggies does so well in wartime, is that war is chaos, and the Aggies practices chaos on a daily basis.”
“If we don’t know what we are doing, the enemy certainly can’t anticipate our future actions!”

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Postby The Sheika » Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:43 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Blue states/liberals/leftists/progressives get to live carnage free


Literally nobody I know in this blue state wants your stupid ass ideas.

I guarantee, without a doubt, that you are correct.
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Postby Republic of Keshiland » Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:45 pm

The Sheika wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Literally nobody I know in this blue state wants your stupid ass ideas.

I guarantee, without a doubt, that you are correct.


On the ABC comment section years ago I was top comment all the time for my anti gun stance. More people then you think support that.
I am pro-life, anti-gun, pro-immigration, pro UHC, pro-free college, pro universal income, anti-war, anti-death penalty, pro-financial ade, pro anything that makes children's lives better.

I finally realised how messed up English was when I read a sign in French and could comprehend half of it despite never learning any French

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:46 pm

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
The Sheika wrote:I guarantee, without a doubt, that you are correct.


On the ABC comment section years ago I was top comment all the time for my anti gun stance. More people then you think support that.


Hahahahahahahaha
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:47 pm

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
The Sheika wrote:I guarantee, without a doubt, that you are correct.


On the ABC comment section years ago I was top comment all the time for my anti gun stance. More people then you think support that.

And how does that turn into support for running in an election? Just because someone likes your comment on an old story from years ago won't help you now just stop.
“One of the serious problems of planning against Aggie doctrine is that the Aggies do not read their manuals nor do they feel any obligations to follow their doctrine.”
“The reason that the Aggies does so well in wartime, is that war is chaos, and the Aggies practices chaos on a daily basis.”
“If we don’t know what we are doing, the enemy certainly can’t anticipate our future actions!”

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Postby Great Minarchistan » Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:47 pm

Republic of Keshiland wrote:Either make it the law that people can only drink in bars and that the bar tender must take the keys of people who are drinking OR ban it all together.

Yeah, restricting alcohol has worked in the past./s²

Republic of Keshiland wrote:1/3rd of all car deaths (10,000) and 1/4th of all car crashes (1.1M) are a result of alcohol. Also 1/2 (12.5%) of all domestic abuse happens while drunk. So yeah its a problem that needs to be solved. Doing this does help children

And increasing alcohol use clearly solves that.
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Postby The Sheika » Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:47 pm

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
The Sheika wrote:I guarantee, without a doubt, that you are correct.


On the ABC comment section years ago I was top comment all the time for my anti gun stance. More people then you think support that.

I am not saying that nobody agrees with you, I am saying that not everybody in blue states agrees with the ideas that you have presented here.
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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:48 pm

Hurdergaryp wrote:
Telconi wrote:If it's a utopia, explain the gun control laws...

Explain why your definition of utopia includes a totally unrestricted access to guns. A civilian arms race doesn't sound that utopian to me, but gun manufacturers undoubtedly disagree.


My utopia includes a LOT of things. :p
Gun control is like trying to solve drunk driving by making it harder for sober people to own cars.

Any accident you can walk away from is one I can laugh at.

DOJ's interpretation of the 2nd Amendment: http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/fi ... -p0126.pdf

Natapoc wrote:...You should post more in here so I don't seem like the extremist...


Auraelius wrote:If you take the the TITANIC, and remove the letters T, T, and one of the I's, and add the letters C,O,S,P,R, and Y you get CONSPIRACY. oOooOooooOOOooooOOOOOOoooooooo


Maineiacs wrote:Give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he'll sit in a boat and get drunk all day.


Luw wrote:Politics is like having two handfuls of shit - one that smells bad and one that looks bad - and having to decide which one to put in your mouth.

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Postby Great Minarchistan » Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:49 pm

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Great Minarchistan wrote:1.5M includes suicides? What is the non-suicide homicide toll and what is the time span?


Don't have the exact numbers but probably about 600,000 non suicides.


Your guess is clearly wrong. Two thirds of firearm homicides are actually suicides, so that makes your 600k go to a million.
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:49 pm

The Sheika wrote:
Republic of Keshiland wrote:
On the ABC comment section years ago I was top comment all the time for my anti gun stance. More people then you think support that.

I am not saying that nobody agrees with you, I am saying that not everybody in blue states agrees with the ideas that you have presented here.

Let's be honest about 99.99% of the 330-340 million or so people in the US don't agree with ideas like this I beat K never even see what people can really do when you infringe upon their constitutional rights like he wants to.
“One of the serious problems of planning against Aggie doctrine is that the Aggies do not read their manuals nor do they feel any obligations to follow their doctrine.”
“The reason that the Aggies does so well in wartime, is that war is chaos, and the Aggies practices chaos on a daily basis.”
“If we don’t know what we are doing, the enemy certainly can’t anticipate our future actions!”

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Postby Republic of Keshiland » Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:52 pm

Great Minarchistan wrote:
Republic of Keshiland wrote:Either make it the law that people can only drink in bars and that the bar tender must take the keys of people who are drinking OR ban it all together.

Yeah, restricting alcohol has worked in the past./s²

Republic of Keshiland wrote:1/3rd of all car deaths (10,000) and 1/4th of all car crashes (1.1M) are a result of alcohol. Also 1/2 (12.5%) of all domestic abuse happens while drunk. So yeah its a problem that needs to be solved. Doing this does help children

And increasing alcohol use clearly solves that.


I said they should make it only allowed in bars with the keys removed. People have more things to occupy their time then they did in the 20s. we would not see that big of a rise or really any if it happened again.

But tell me again how those families that are part of the 12.5% of families abused by their drunk husband/father that they should be able to drink at home.
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I finally realised how messed up English was when I read a sign in French and could comprehend half of it despite never learning any French

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