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Mangahhan Super Region
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Law Based on Moral Values

Postby Mangahhan Super Region » Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:35 am

I have just learned Morality is the principle on concerning the distinction between bad and good behaviours.
In which bad or unpleasant acts are banned.
But I want to make my nation to 'have a good morale'.
Which means anything that is bad is completely illegal but the inhumane or worse punishments are illegal too.

However, if my nation follows that rule, here are some things that are banned and punishable by law.
1. Possession of pornographic material
2. Blasphemy towards religious groups
3. Racism against a race/ethnic group
4. Pre-Marital sexual acts
5. Failure to follow the obligations on the government/religion
6. Publishing fake news
7. Talking/Debating about obscene topics
8. Murder
9. Rape
10. Direct accusation without specific evidences
11. Pirating Movies and other media
And so much more.......

However, if this kind of laws were made in your Nationstate, how it would affect your nation.
And how it would affect you as a Libertarian or Authoritarian state.
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Insaeldor
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Postby Insaeldor » Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:38 am

Half of these things are unenforable and if you could enforce would be a waste of time enforcing. Law is a civil code agreed upon by the people to maintain the physical and financial safety of the public at large and as a way to right wrongs made against someone, they are not a code to force people into a narrow concept of morality.
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Bruke
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Postby Bruke » Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:38 am

Considering how divided my country is on these issues already, I would say there would be a perpetual government shutdown.

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Imperium Sidhicum
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Postby Imperium Sidhicum » Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:46 am

Every law is based on society's moral values. What exactly entails moral values, however, depends strongly on society.

Western societies, for example, generally follow a strictly-secular morality and design their laws accordingly. In Islamic societies, morality and law is generally based in religion. Chinese law is influenced both by secular thought and the longstanding tradition of Confucian philosophy that defines Chinese perceptions of morality.

The examples of things that would be illegal if laws were supposedly based of morality represent only the moral views of a relatively narrow segment of society (i.e. religious conservatives). Western society is by it's own definition secular, and has been for quite some time now, meaning that most members generally deem it immoral to have religious superstitions enforced as law for everyone. That, however, doesn't mean their laws aren't based in morality, merely that Western morality is dictated by practicality and convenience.
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Postby Risottia » Mon Dec 04, 2017 3:46 am

Mangahhan Super Region wrote:But I want to make my nation to 'have a good morale' ... if this kind of laws were made in your Nationstate ...


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Prumia
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Postby Prumia » Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:59 pm

Mangahhan Super Region wrote:I have just learned Morality is the principle on concerning the distinction between bad and good behaviours.
In which bad or unpleasant acts are banned.


Several problems with the premise here, but I will stick with my core thought here.

Morality is a frame of value derived from ethics. What is good is good because of this, what is bad is bad because of that... Such things are determined by how you choose to value the act(s). On a personal level the matter is simple: you choose your own system of values and live accordingly.

From a broader societal sense, the matter is muddled. The larger community then must decided, but which to follow? Values will eventually conflict and so the society must decide which to support and which to condemn.

I would say (and thus this is how I try to run my country) that a nation's morals should be to support all persons right to choose their values. To maintain a peaceful and orderly state free for everyone to pursue their values without declare what those values are. Essentially: you are free to do as you choose so long as it does not prevent another from doing the same.

By this standard of morality, any system that professed a value that contradicted what I just said (banning gays, out-lawing/enforcing any religion, et cetera) would be immoral to me.

There are more particulars to this thought process, but that is it on a small scale.
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Viscondy
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Postby Viscondy » Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:08 pm

Mangahhan Super Region wrote:I have just learned Morality is the principle on concerning the distinction between bad and good behaviours.
In which bad or unpleasant acts are banned.
But I want to make my nation to 'have a good morale'.
Which means anything that is bad is completely illegal but the inhumane or worse punishments are illegal too.

However, if my nation follows that rule, here are some things that are banned and punishable by law.
1. Possession of pornographic material
2. Blasphemy towards religious groups
3. Racism against a race/ethnic group
4. Pre-Marital sexual acts
5. Failure to follow the obligations on the government/religion
6. Publishing fake news
7. Talking/Debating about obscene topics
8. Murder
9. Rape
10. Direct accusation without specific evidences
11. Pirating Movies and other media
And so much more.......

However, if this kind of laws were made in your Nationstate, how it would affect your nation.
And how it would affect you as a Libertarian or Authoritarian state.

Everyone thinks that their policies are based on morality, but people disagree on which things are morally right and which things are morally wrong. For example, a conservative may think that possession of pornographic material is very clearly morally wrong, and it may be that they can not imagine morality without it saying that pornographic material is wrong- but it is not that a liberal thinks that morality shouldn't influence government policy, most liberals actually see no reason why possession of pornographic material should ever be considered wrong in the first place, because it certainly doesn't hurt anyone else, and there doesn't seem to be any other secular justification for it being wrong. It is very arrogant to assume that what you immediately perceive as being immoral is viewed as morally wrong by everyone else. Normative Ethics is a field of philosophy about how would should decide what is morally right and what is morally wrong.
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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:14 pm

Mangahhan Super Region wrote:I have just learned Morality is the principle on concerning the distinction between bad and good behaviours.
In which bad or unpleasant acts are banned.
But I want to make my nation to 'have a good morale'.
Which means anything that is bad is completely illegal but the inhumane or worse punishments are illegal too.

However, if my nation follows that rule, here are some things that are banned and punishable by law.
1. Possession of pornographic material
2. Blasphemy towards religious groups
3. Racism against a race/ethnic group
4. Pre-Marital sexual acts
5. Failure to follow the obligations on the government/religion
6. Publishing fake news
7. Talking/Debating about obscene topics
8. Murder
9. Rape
10. Direct accusation without specific evidences
11. Pirating Movies and other media
And so much more.......

However, if this kind of laws were made in your Nationstate, how it would affect your nation.
And how it would affect you as a Libertarian or Authoritarian state.

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