Monarchism Thread

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

Wait. Are we talking about the kings or the emperors?

The kings back then, and Emperors; All have the various titles and in the end, when the Kings died or served their term. It was up to the Senate, much like it was during that time after 90 B.C to appoint both.

There was no 10 year limit for the kings like there was for the dictators. They served for life. No exceptions (except for the abolition of the monarchy under Tarquinius Superbus). The Senate nominated the candidate. The people voted.

[Principality of the Raix]

The kings back then, and Emperors; All have the various titles and in the end, when the Kings died or served their term. It was up to the Senate, much like it was during that time after 90 B.C to appoint both.

There was no 10 year limit for the kings like there was for the dictators. They served for life. No exceptions (except for the abolition of the monarchy under Tarquinius Superbus). The Senate nominated the candidate. The people voted.

Well at the same time, we are basically speaking of ancient times so old that we can not correctly claim it as fact either. However, there is a term limit induced and even if not followed. Most were elected by the senate much like the Emperors, after all through senatorial election a candidate is chosen.

[Genivaria]

The kings back then, and Emperors; All have the various titles and in the end, when the Kings died or served their term. It was up to the Senate, much like it was during that time after 90 B.C to appoint both.

There was no 10 year limit for the kings like there was for the dictators. They served for life. No exceptions (except for the abolition of the monarchy under Tarquinius Superbus). The Senate nominated the candidate. The people voted.

Actually I think the term limit expired after 6 months.
The position of dictator in Rome (pre-Caesar) was only enabled during times of national crisis.

A dictator was a magistrate of the Roman Republic, entrusted with the full authority of the state to deal with a military emergency or to undertake a specific duty. All other magistrates were subordinate to his imperium, and the right of the plebeian tribunes to veto his actions or of the people to appeal from them was extremely limited. However, in order to prevent the dictatorship from threatening the state itself, severe limitations were placed upon its powers: a dictator could only act within his intended sphere of authority; and he was obliged to resign his office once his appointed task had been accomplished, or at the expiration of six months.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_dictator

[The Widening Gyre]

Also, the heir to the trone is born and raised to rule, surrounded by some of the best thinkers, artists, and leaders in the world. The heir not only inherits the crown, but the traditions, customs, and values held by the previous monarch as they are family traditions.

Commodus.

[Genivaria]

There was no 10 year limit for the kings like there was for the dictators. They served for life. No exceptions (except for the abolition of the monarchy under Tarquinius Superbus). The Senate nominated the candidate. The people voted.

Well at the same time, we are basically speaking of ancient times so old that we can not correctly claim it as fact either. However, there is a term limit induced and even if not followed. Most were elected by the senate much like the Emperors, after all through senatorial election a candidate is chosen.

Irrc the Imperial Heirs were often chosen by the sitting Emperor (unless the Praetorian Guard were in the mood to play King-maker)

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

There was no 10 year limit for the kings like there was for the dictators. They served for life. No exceptions (except for the abolition of the monarchy under Tarquinius Superbus). The Senate nominated the candidate. The people voted.

Actually I think the term limit expired after 6 months.
The position of dictator in Rome (pre-Caesar) was only enabled during times of national crisis.

A dictator was a magistrate of the Roman Republic, entrusted with the full authority of the state to deal with a military emergency or to undertake a specific duty. All other magistrates were subordinate to his imperium, and the right of the plebeian tribunes to veto his actions or of the people to appeal from them was extremely limited. However, in order to prevent the dictatorship from threatening the state itself, severe limitations were placed upon its powers: a dictator could only act within his intended sphere of authority; and he was obliged to resign his office once his appointed task had been accomplished, or at the expiration of six months.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_dictator

Again, I do not mean the dictators or emperors. I am talking about the kings. The kings had no term length and predated the dictators and emperors.

[Principality of the Raix]

Basically, this Kings of Rome, not the Emperors or Dictators, or the Senate. Which by statements placed on wikia the senate did have a junction in choosing king. Until the last two and of course the first one.

Added In: Which if we conclude how it was founded or formed from a republic or couple aka Two brothers and one killed the other after founding rome and the republic. The old kings would be... Dictators in the end.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

Basically, this Kings of Rome, not the Emperors or Dictators, or the Senate. Which by statements placed on wikia the senate did have a junction in choosing king. Until the last two and of course the first one.

That's what I said

They served for life. No exceptions (except for the abolition of the monarchy under Tarquinius Superbus). The Senate nominated the candidate. The people voted.

[Genivaria]

Also, the heir to the trone is born and raised to rule, surrounded by some of the best thinkers, artists, and leaders in the world. The heir not only inherits the crown, but the traditions, customs, and values held by the previous monarch as they are family traditions.

Commodus.

Nero, Caligula, Maximinus Thrax, Diocletian, Tiberius, Caracalla, Elagabalus.
Seriously the Romans had some fucked up leaders.

[Genivaria]

Actually I think the term limit expired after 6 months.
The position of dictator in Rome (pre-Caesar) was only enabled during times of national crisis.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_dictator

Again, I do not mean the dictators or emperors. I am talking about the kings. The kings had no term length and predated the dictators and emperors.

Ah, my mistake then.

[Principality of the Raix]

Basically, this Kings of Rome, not the Emperors or Dictators, or the Senate. Which by statements placed on wikia the senate did have a junction in choosing king. Until the last two and of course the first one.

That's what I said

They served for life. No exceptions (except for the abolition of the monarchy under Tarquinius Superbus). The Senate nominated the candidate. The people voted.

well we basically been saying the same point, just worded differently. Anyways, as stated above the mannerism of how it was installed is basically dictatorship. Not "Kingship".

[The Widening Gyre]

Commodus.

Nero, Caligula, Maximinus Thrax, Diocletian, Tiberius, Caracalla, Elagabalus.
Seriously the Romans had some fucked up leaders.

And Commodus is the perfect rebuttal to the notion of the perfect groomed heir. He had Marcus Aurelius as his father, Galen as his physician and a host of philosophers as his tutors and he still turned out the way he did.

[Collatis]

Why has monarchism been the longest and most successful form of government Humanity has had.

Anarcho-primitivism is humanity's longest form of government, having taken up 90% of all human history. Compared to that, your divinely inspired royalty is nothing but a speck.

[Genivaria]

Nero, Caligula, Maximinus Thrax, Diocletian, Tiberius, Caracalla, Elagabalus.
Seriously the Romans had some fucked up leaders.

And Commodus is the perfect rebuttal to the notion of the perfect groomed heir. He had Marcus Aurelius as his father, Galen as his physician and a host of philosophers as his tutors and he still turned out the way he did.

The movie Gladiator (which is not a terribly accurate movie to begin with) did alot to show that Commodus was a fucked up person....except for the fact that in reality he was so much worse then what directors are allowed to show.

[Principality of the Raix]

Nero, Caligula, Maximinus Thrax, Diocletian, Tiberius, Caracalla, Elagabalus.
Seriously the Romans had some fucked up leaders.

And Commodus is the perfect rebuttal to the notion of the perfect groomed heir. He had Marcus Aurelius as his father, Galen as his physician and a host of philosophers as his tutors and he still turned out the way he did.

His fault was he could not run the empire, simply. As sibling relations were often normal in royal families. Even gay relationships as well, however besides point. Though, I imagine some may argue on his fault there; However she sorta did flirt with him to maintain him. In truth Roman culture was entirely different then any of ours, in mannerism of countries. As to obtain a good position, ya either had to kill for it or be born into it.

[Genivaria]

And Commodus is the perfect rebuttal to the notion of the perfect groomed heir. He had Marcus Aurelius as his father, Galen as his physician and a host of philosophers as his tutors and he still turned out the way he did.

His fault was he could not run the empire, simply. As sibling relations were often normal in royal families. Even gay relationships as well, however besides point. Though, I imagine some may argue on his fault there; However she sorta did flirt with him to maintain him. In truth Roman culture was entirely different then any of ours, in mannerism of countries. As to obtain a good position, ya either had to kill for it or be born into it.

Not...really a rebuttal to his worst characteristics.
He was extremely megalomaniac and viewed himself as Hercules and Romulus reborn and instituted a state religion around himself.

As for his gladiator nonsense.

In the arena, Commodus always won since his opponents always submitted to the emperor. Thus, these public fights would not end in death. Privately, it was his custom to slay his practice opponents.[25] For each appearance in the arena, he charged the city of Rome a million sesterces, straining the Roman economy.

Sounds like a douche to me.

[The Widening Gyre]

His fault was he could not run the empire, simply.

Worse than that, he actively handed picked and promoted malevolent ministers like Perennis and Cleander and turned the government and military into a squabbling pit of graft and murder. That ultimately was far, far more destructive than his personal eccentricity.

[Genivaria]

His fault was he could not run the empire, simply.

Worse than that, he actively handed picked and promoted malevolent ministers like Perennis and Cleander and turned the government and military into a squabbling pit of graft and murder. That ultimately was far, far more destructive than his personal eccentricity.

He also devalued the currency and strained the economy which was strong under his father.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

Worse than that, he actively handed picked and promoted malevolent ministers like Perennis and Cleander and turned the government and military into a squabbling pit of graft and murder. That ultimately was far, far more destructive than his personal eccentricity.

He also devalued the currency and strained the economy which was strong under his father.

It really is amazing that you can go from Marcus fuckin Aurelius to a shiteed like Commodus.

[United Muscovite Nations]

I like a Roman or Byzantine system of monarchy where the ruler gets to designate their heir through adoption. I think it's a relatively good way to deal with the issue of incompetent rulers.

[Shikihara]

I'm pretty fond of the Shinto religion, and as a result, the Japanese Emperor. Would support more powers being granted to the monarchy, as well as the strengthening of the royal lineage through restoration of imperial branch families whose abolition has seriously limited the dynasty's selection pool for future rulers.

In regard to the British monarchy, the Stuart's did nothing wrong.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

I'm pretty fond of the Shinto religion, and as a result, the Japanese Emperor. Would support more powers being granted to the monarchy, as well as the strengthening of the royal lineage through restoration of imperial branch families whose abolition has seriously limited the dynasty's selection pool for future rulers.

Ehhhh. The last time the Emperors had actual power, China and Korea did not really have a fun day at the beach.

As to the future rulers, Japan was pretty close to having its first Empress in centuries until the birth of Hisahito.

[Shikihara]

The last time the Emperors had actual power, China and Korea did not really have a fun day at the beach.

They didn't have them under the republican American and Russian powers either.

As to the future rulers, Japan was pretty close to having its first Empress in centuries until the birth of Hisahito.

There was some consideration, but I doubt it would've, the proposal for a female Tennō was received extremely poorly by many, leading to public outcry by prominent conservative writers and politicians. Some of whom compared it to the guillotining of the French monarchs.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

The last time the Emperors had actual power, China and Korea did not really have a fun day at the beach.

They didn't have them under the republican American and Russian powers either.

As to the future rulers, Japan was pretty close to having its first Empress in centuries until the birth of Hisahito.

There was some consideration, but I doubt it would've, the proposal for a female Tennō was received extremely poorly by many, leading to public outcry by prominent conservative writers and politicians. Some of whom compared it to the guillotining of the French monarchs.

1. I meant to point out why an Imperial Japan would not be exactly welcomed by the regional powers that be.

2. Yeah. I don't understand why, though. Japan has had several Empresses before.

[Aillyria]

I like a Roman or Byzantine system of monarchy where the ruler gets to designate their heir through adoption. I think it's a relatively good way to deal with the issue of incompetent rulers.

Eh, I'm not a fan of monarchy as a form of governance, but there are many monarchs I view positively as individual rulers.