Monarchism Thread

[Kanadorika]

Quick question, what happened to Kaiser Wilhelm of Germany?

Wilhelm abdicated and fled to the Netherlands, where he lived in exile until 1941. The Queen of the Netherlands denied to give him to the Allies, who wished to put him on trial as a "war criminal" (what irony there). From then on, he remarried and then lived quietly. When the Netherlands was invaded by Nazi Germany, the Nazis did not do much with him other than giving him guards. He was hoping that when the Nazis came to power they would put him back on the throne, but that didn't happen. He also specifically asked for there not to be any swastikas at his funeral, but they also didn't listen.

If I recall correctly, he disowned his son, the crown prince, for Nazi sympathies.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

Interesting. So, it is dependent upon whether that country has a history of monarchs to determine if it is a monarchy or dictatorship? Would that make the DPRK a monarchy and not a dictatorship? It has passed down a hereditary line and Korea had a monarchy for millennia. And to Germany's Reichstag, they have the Supreme People's Assembly. To your Bundesrat, they have the State Affairs Commission.

Well as far as the DPRK, yes in a form. Sadly, this is a correct assumption. Even though Korea before all the division was a lot better then after. While same with Germany, seeing as they were a Monarchy before becoming well what they are now.

So, my confusion remains: what is the difference between a monarchy and a dictatorship?

Wikipedia tells the truth, and i decide if i want to copy and paste or not

Wikipedia is most definitely not a superior source to the Encyclopædia Britannica lol. Copy and paste all the essays you want. It'll be a waste of time if they have no point.

[The Portland Territory]

Question to the Monarchists: how do you deal with an inept King coming to power? How do you prevent that?

Holy removal. A bad king is always immoral, giving way to removal as he indirectly supported degeneracy

[Principality of the Raix]

Question to the Monarchists: how do you deal with an inept King coming to power? How do you prevent that?

Surprisingly enough this has happened in the past few thousand years we've had monarchy.

You get them to abdicate, usually in favor of another family member.

Otherwise you are forced to go the way of the French, revolt!

[Engleberg]

Wilhelm abdicated and fled to the Netherlands, where he lived in exile until 1941. The Queen of the Netherlands denied to give him to the Allies, who wished to put him on trial as a "war criminal" (what irony there). From then on, he remarried and then lived quietly. When the Netherlands was invaded by Nazi Germany, the Nazis did not do much with him other than giving him guards. He was hoping that when the Nazis came to power they would put him back on the throne, but that didn't happen. He also specifically asked for there not to be any swastikas at his funeral, but they also didn't listen.

Did he have children after that?

Nope, he had his original children who then had children of their own which continued the Hohenzollern dynasty.

Currently the King of Prussia and German Emperor is Prince Georg Friedrich of Prussia.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

Interesting. So, it is dependent upon whether that country has a history of monarchs to determine if it is a monarchy or dictatorship? Would that make the DPRK a monarchy and not a dictatorship? It has passed down a hereditary line and Korea had a monarchy for millennia. And to Germany's Reichstag, they have the Supreme People's Assembly. To your Bundesrat, they have the State Affairs Commission.

As New Greater Netherlands stated, monarchies and dictatorships are not linked. the DPRK is a dictatorship that uses a hereditary method of passing along power, which is similar to Haiti and some African dictatorships.

Korea had a monarchy, which was eliminated by Japan. Therefore, neither Koreas are similar to a monarchy and the DPRK cannot be considered one because Korea's cultural history of monarchism has been destroyed.

So, that still doesn't make sense. Because a monarchy is gotten rid of, another can't be established down the line? So, all of the French monarchies after the French Revolution cannot be considered such?

[Engleberg]

Your latter statement is exactly what I use against those who state that a monarch "simply inherits the position without any knowledge of leading."

Exactly. They spend their entire childhood and young adult lives preparing the rule their subjects. Monarchs are physical manifestations of a nation's history and culture. They do not chose to rule, but are selected from birth to inherit the crown.

Whereas politicians in a republic must secure votes and money to campaign and win office, a monarch has no such restrictions. He/she owes no favors to special interest groups.

Exactly. I've had people fight against the idea of this way of education of a Crown Prince, yet be in favour of politicians taking control of their government - or better yet, supported communism.

[Principality of the Raix]

Well as far as the DPRK, yes in a form. Sadly, this is a correct assumption. Even though Korea before all the division was a lot better then after. While same with Germany, seeing as they were a Monarchy before becoming well what they are now.

So, my confusion remains: what is the difference between a monarchy and a dictatorship?

Not entirely as I said, you are correct as when Kim die's his daughter will take over N.korea if it still exists then and if she remains a live. However, a Dictatorship can be handed down through many methods; It does not require a blood relative to function. Unlike a Monarchy.

[Engleberg]

As New Greater Netherlands stated, monarchies and dictatorships are not linked. the DPRK is a dictatorship that uses a hereditary method of passing along power, which is similar to Haiti and some African dictatorships.

Korea had a monarchy, which was eliminated by Japan. Therefore, neither Koreas are similar to a monarchy and the DPRK cannot be considered one because Korea's cultural history of monarchism has been destroyed.

So, that still doesn't make sense. Because a monarchy is gotten rid of, another can't be established down the line? So, all of the French monarchies after the French Revolution cannot be considered such?

They can.

But the DPRK isn't a monarchy.

[New Greater Netherlands]

Well as far as the DPRK, yes in a form. Sadly, this is a correct assumption. Even though Korea before all the division was a lot better then after. While same with Germany, seeing as they were a Monarchy before becoming well what they are now.

So, my confusion remains: what is the difference between a monarchy and a dictatorship?

Wikipedia tells the truth, and i decide if i want to copy and paste or not

Wikipedia is most definitely not a superior source to the Encyclopædia Britannica lol. Copy and paste all the essays you want. It'll be a waste of time if they have no point.

Wikipedia has always sources, and i don't know the fking you are talking about but everyone here disagrees with you, while i am a republican but i know the difference between a dictatorship, republic and a monarchy

[Principality of the Raix]

As New Greater Netherlands stated, monarchies and dictatorships are not linked. the DPRK is a dictatorship that uses a hereditary method of passing along power, which is similar to Haiti and some African dictatorships.

Korea had a monarchy, which was eliminated by Japan. Therefore, neither Koreas are similar to a monarchy and the DPRK cannot be considered one because Korea's cultural history of monarchism has been destroyed.

So, that still doesn't make sense. Because a monarchy is gotten rid of, another can't be established down the line? So, all of the French monarchies after the French Revolution cannot be considered such?

You are correct, as they were simply installing people to power. However a lot of those Monarchies established were relatives of the Monarchs of France. So you are also wrong, as due to relations. Creates the Monarchy of France before they revolt.

Added In: The confusion behind DPRK is the fact N.Korea Functions like a Monarchy, however it was or is a communist party in a mannerism.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

So, my confusion remains: what is the difference between a monarchy and a dictatorship?

Not entirely as I said, you are correct as when Kim die's his daughter will take over N.korea if it still exists then and if she remains a live. However, a Dictatorship can be handed down through many methods; It does not require a blood relative to function. Unlike a Monarchy.

And neither does a monarchy. Plenty of monarchies go through multiple dynasties. Japan is like the only exception I can think of.

So, that still doesn't make sense. Because a monarchy is gotten rid of, another can't be established down the line? So, all of the French monarchies after the French Revolution cannot be considered such?

They can.

But the DPRK isn't a monarchy.

Why can the French ones be considered monarchies, but not the Korean?

[Fascist Republic of Uzumakistan]

Did he have children after that?

Nope, he had his original children who then had children of their own which continued the Hohenzollern dynasty.

Currently the King of Prussia and German Emperor is Prince Georg Friedrich of Prussia.

Cool, i wished Germany will become a Kingdom again.

[Engleberg]

Not entirely as I said, you are correct as when Kim die's his daughter will take over N.korea if it still exists then and if she remains a live. However, a Dictatorship can be handed down through many methods; It does not require a blood relative to function. Unlike a Monarchy.

And neither does a monarchy. Plenty of monarchies go through multiple dynasties. Japan is like the only exception I can think of.

They can.

But the DPRK isn't a monarchy.

Why can the French ones be considered monarchies, but not the Korean?

If the Korean monarchy is reestablished, then it is the Korean monarchy that succeeds the former monarchy.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

So, my confusion remains: what is the difference between a monarchy and a dictatorship?


Wikipedia is most definitely not a superior source to the Encyclopædia Britannica lol. Copy and paste all the essays you want. It'll be a waste of time if they have no point.

Wikipedia has always sources, and i don't know the fking you are talking about but everyone here disagrees with you, while i am a republican but i know the difference between a dictatorship, republic and a monarchy

Do you really, though? Please tell me without copy and pasting an essay from somewhere.

[Engleberg]

Nope, he had his original children who then had children of their own which continued the Hohenzollern dynasty.

Currently the King of Prussia and German Emperor is Prince Georg Friedrich of Prussia.

Cool, i wished Germany will become a Kingdom again.

I support the reestablishment of the German Empire with the Hohenzollerns at the top once more. If it has to be a constitutional monarchy, so be it.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

And neither does a monarchy. Plenty of monarchies go through multiple dynasties. Japan is like the only exception I can think of.


Why can the French ones be considered monarchies, but not the Korean?

If the Korean monarchy is reestablished, then it is the Korean monarchy that succeeds the former monarchy.

And why can the DPRK not be considered as a monarchy trying to unite its country again? If they conquer the rest of Korea, would they then be considered a monarchy?

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

Cool, i wished Germany will become a Kingdom again.

I support the reestablishment of the German Empire with the Hohenzollerns at the top once more. If it has to be a constitutional monarchy, so be it.

You would prefer an absolute one?

[Engleberg]

I support the reestablishment of the German Empire with the Hohenzollerns at the top once more. If it has to be a constitutional monarchy, so be it.

You would prefer an absolute one?

As an absolute monarchist, yes.

[Engleberg]

If the Korean monarchy is reestablished, then it is the Korean monarchy that succeeds the former monarchy.

And why can the DPRK not be considered as a monarchy trying to unite its country again? If they conquer the rest of Korea, would they then be considered a monarchy?

Because the DPRK is a nation created through communist actions. While it is a Juche state, communism and monarchism can never mix.

[New Greater Netherlands]

Wikipedia has always sources, and i don't know the fking you are talking about but everyone here disagrees with you, while i am a republican but i know the difference between a dictatorship, republic and a monarchy

Do you really, though? Please tell me without copy and pasting an essay from somewhere.

Wikipedia is always right

[Kanadorika]

Well as far as the DPRK, yes in a form. Sadly, this is a correct assumption. Even though Korea before all the division was a lot better then after. While same with Germany, seeing as they were a Monarchy before becoming well what they are now.

So, my confusion remains: what is the difference between a monarchy and a dictatorship?

Wikipedia tells the truth, and i decide if i want to copy and paste or not

Wikipedia is most definitely not a superior source to the Encyclopædia Britannica lol. Copy and paste all the essays you want. It'll be a waste of time if they have no point.

Monarchies are inherently reactionary, even in the social democracies of Europe. Monarchs legitimize their reign via history, often invoking the memory of Julius Caesar, Augustus, and King David.

Pure dictatorships are less about the past, and more about the future, seeking to create a new order unrestrained by regimes which lay before.

This isn't a black and white definition. Various regimes have blurred these lines.

[Salus Maior]

So, my confusion remains: what is the difference between a monarchy and a dictatorship?

Monarchy is more tradition-based, and pretty much always has to do with bloodlines.

Dictatorships don't rely on tradition nor bloodlines, but rather is based on military control alone.

[Principality of the Raix]

If the Korean monarchy is reestablished, then it is the Korean monarchy that succeeds the former monarchy.

And why can the DPRK not be considered as a monarchy trying to unite its country again? If they conquer the rest of Korea, would they then be considered a monarchy?

As I stated above, though I can understand why people would not see it. The confusion behind the DPRK is they act like a Monarchy, handing it down the blood line. However it was also established as a communist party. So it could basically be considered both, however it is only labeled as one and not the other. At the same time, you are right. But wrong, as they would remain with what they want to be labeled. Which in the end, protects how they hand power down to the next of kin.

Edited in: Can I predict something? I expect the DPRK will be changing their figureheads, when Kims daughter takes over N.Korea. Not many Nations like N.Korea can be maintained due to the situation of them probably going to see her as the easiest target compared to her recent male equivalents. J/S.

[Yaroi]

Question to the Monarchists: how do you deal with an inept King coming to power? How do you prevent that?

Surprisingly enough this has happened in the past few thousand years we've had monarchy.

You get them to abdicate, usually in favor of another family member.

What if they don't abdicate? And who has the power to remove the monarch, i mean, who is that "you" that you speak of?